Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[RynoRules]

Am I the only one who would not have been happy had we signed those deals with Burhle, Reyes and Bell?

[Hollandsworths mug]

I call BS on that report. Maybe they don't have the cash to match the exorbitant price Boras is probably asking for, but that doesn't mean they won't be players.

 

Especially after Ricketts said we have the money.

[inari]

Am I the only one who would not have been happy had we signed those deals with Burhle, Reyes and Bell?

 

No. I doubt anyone would be happy. It's just an excuse for certain people to whine.

[JGalt73]

The time will come for big free agent signings. That time will be when we're good and need to be great. That time is not now. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

[jersey cubs fan]

The time will come for big free agent signings. That time will be when we're good and need to be great. That time is not now. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

 

nonsense

[Little Slide Rooter]

I call BS on that report. Maybe they don't have the cash to match the exorbitant price Boras is probably asking for, but that doesn't mean they won't be players.

 

Especially after Ricketts said we have the money.

 

Yeah, we're one of th biggest market teams there are and have recently freed up a ton of money between Ramirez, Fukudome, Bradley/Silva, Pena and Grabow. The only big contracts we still have are Soriano and Zambrano, who will be bought out after this season. There's really no excuse not to be able to spend.

[XZero771679666304]

The time will come for big free agent signings. That time will be when we're good and need to be great. That time is not now. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

 

nonsense

Utter and complete

[erik316wttn]

The time will come for big free agent signings. That time will be when we're good and need to be great. That time is not now. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

 

With all due respect to your logic, I disagree completely.

 

If we can lock Fielder up to a long-term deal he will still be here and contributing when we're good. You don't let a guy like that walk away just because you're "not good enough yet." If you can improve your team, do it.

[Guest]

What exactly do you envision as a realistic Z (and cash/others) for Morrison trade? I'm curious.

 

I don't know. The very idea is a little irrational because it's based on the Marlins hating Morrison and liking(or at least Ozzie talking up) Z. Brett mentioned it in one of his roundups, so it's a touch more than random speculation at this point at least.

[inari]

The time will come for big free agent signings. That time will be when we're good and need to be great. That time is not now. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

 

nonsense

 

What he said.

[Magnetic Curses]

The time will come for big free agent signings. That time will be when we're good and need to be great. That time is not now. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

 

yeah, because pujols and fielder are available every offseason.

[XZero771679666304]

The time will come for big free agent signings. That time will be when we're good and need to be great. That time is not now. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

 

yeah, because pujols and fielder are available every offseason.

 

And they're only useful for the first year or two of their contracts, too

[mookie]

Oh noes we have only signed David DeJesus!! We are so screwed. Yeesh, some folks need to take a moment, watch a butterfly dance, and calm down.

[Little Slide Rooter]

The time will come for big free agent signings. That time will be when we're good and need to be great. That time is not now. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

 

nonsense

 

Right now, Fielder is the guy who can make us good. There isn't going to be another FA like him on the market next year and who knows when another will come along.Between now and this time next year there will be plenty of opportunities to make the team great.

 

Of course we could go with what we have now, sprinkle in a dash of Chase Headley and a pinch of Ian Stewart and hope to win 65 games.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Last year, we had a $200 million baseball total budget. We spent, what, $135 million on salaries? I think a total of $24 million on the combined draft/IFA market. That leaves generic baseball operations at about $40 million.

 

This year, we are spending at least $5 million extra on fresh baseball staff, but we can't spend more than about $15 million on the draft and IFAs. So I come up with $200 million minus $15 million minus $45 million = $145 million leftover. Unless there are some kind of big baseball projects we don't know about being planned, like overhauling some minor league facilities or something, that should almost all be payroll.

[Rob]

What exactly do you envision as a realistic Z (and cash/others) for Morrison trade? I'm curious.

 

I don't know. The very idea is a little irrational because it's based on the Marlins hating Morrison and liking(or at least Ozzie talking up) Z. Brett mentioned it in one of his roundups, so it's a touch more than random speculation at this point at least.

 

Yeah... I'm very intrigued by the idea, but for the life of me I can't get my head wrapped around it.

[Guest]

You can have contingencies that involve people like Smoak or Sanchez or any number of people if you want. Just because they're not as simple to see, doesn't mean that trades are not going to happen.

 

Nobody is saying trades won't happen, but trades won't make this team a contender anytime soon.

 

That's a pretty weird statement to make. The incremental gains HAVE to come through Free Agency?

 

Giving Fielder an enormous contract isn't going to be the healthiest thing either. He's a 4-5 WAR guy, and there's 50 of those guys every year(and another 25 pitchers), you can get similar benefit without a millstone contract by exploring some of the guys who are said to be available.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Nightengale reports that the Marlins were offering 10/$275 but the lack of a NTC held it up.

[NonProfitCow]

 

It was you wasn't it?

No, I got banned there a few months ago.

[jersey cubs fan]

You can have contingencies that involve people like Smoak or Sanchez or any number of people if you want. Just because they're not as simple to see, doesn't mean that trades are not going to happen.

 

Nobody is saying trades won't happen, but trades won't make this team a contender anytime soon.

 

That's a pretty weird statement to make. The incremental gains HAVE to come through Free Agency?

 

Giving Fielder an enormous contract isn't going to be the healthiest thing either. He's a 4-5 WAR guy, and there's 50 of those guys every year(and another 25 pitchers), you can get similar benefit without a millstone contract by exploring some of the guys who are said to be available.

 

What I'm saying is you'll only make incremental gains through trades and incremental gains aren't enough. They are what medium market teams can count on. You are listing an absurdly long list of deals to just make the team okay. It's not going to happen. They should be making trades and adding free agents. They won't be losing their pick, they have the money, they have the needs. It would be a huge swing and miss to come away with nothing on the free agency front. Of course it will also make those "we won't be able to contend for three years so why bother signing guys" prophecies true.

[Hollandsworths mug]

. Non contenders paying crazy amounts for 'worthless' wins that don't put you in contention are the teams that continue to be just good enough to be expensive failures.

 

Well, to call the Marlins and Angels non contenders is way off base. And now add the players they just signed to the mix and it is even more off base.

[Guest]

What I'm saying is you'll only make incremental gains through trades and incremental gains aren't enough. They are what medium market teams can count on. You are listing an absurdly long list of deals to just make the team okay. It's not going to happen. They should be making trades and adding free agents. They won't be losing their pick, they have the money, they have the needs. It would be a huge swing and miss to come away with nothing on the free agency front. Of course it will also make those "we won't be able to contend for three years so why bother signing guys" prophecies true.

 

It was an example, it doesn't have to be an elaborate string of 1 off trades. Make it simple if it matters to you.

 

Sign Darvish

Sell the farm for Shields and Upton

Pick up Morales and Stewart

Sell off Soriano, Z, Byrd, even Marmol/Marshall as needed to re-stock farm

 

The focal point does not HAVE to be Fielder or Free Agency.

[SouthSideRyan]

Nightengale reports that the Marlins were offering 10/$275 but the lack of a NTC held it up.

 

He's just basing that off of my post.

[jersey cubs fan]

What I'm saying is you'll only make incremental gains through trades and incremental gains aren't enough. They are what medium market teams can count on. You are listing an absurdly long list of deals to just make the team okay. It's not going to happen. They should be making trades and adding free agents. They won't be losing their pick, they have the money, they have the needs. It would be a huge swing and miss to come away with nothing on the free agency front. Of course it will also make those "we won't be able to contend for three years so why bother signing guys" prophecies true.

 

It was an example, it doesn't have to be an elaborate string of 1 off trades. Make it simple if it matters to you.

 

Sign Darvish

Sell the farm for Shields and Upton

Pick up Morales and Stewart

Sell off Soriano, Z, Byrd, even Marmol/Marshall as needed to re-stock farm

 

The focal point does not HAVE to be Fielder or Free Agency.

 

It absolutely does if they are serious about the parallel fronts.

[Hollandsworths mug]

I guess Prince is too oval shaped for many on here. And no! I am not advocating the Cubs give him a 7 year deal.