Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[abuck1220]

The Marlins are getting ripped pretty good on here, but if this spending spree results in a third ring in their short history, it would make it pretty hard to deny their method.

 

I'd suffer through three or four bad years if it meant a championship or two.

 

If a chronic gambler triples his paycheck at the craps table a few times in a row, it doesn't mean it was a good bet.

 

wow, that's a shitty analogy.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Marlins are getting ripped pretty good on here, but if this spending spree results in a third ring in their short history, it would make it pretty hard to deny their method.

 

I'd suffer through three or four bad years if it meant a championship or two.

 

If a chronic gambler triples his paycheck at the craps table a few times in a row, it doesn't mean it was a good bet.

 

wow, that's a [expletive] analogy.

 

It's a perfect analogy. The Marlins consistently hit on long shots. Good for them. It doesn't mean I want to emulate their plan.

[abuck1220]

their payroll has never gone over like $60 mil...i don't think they've "gambled" a whole lot.

[Sammy Sofa]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have a Braves in the 90's-type situation.

 

Anyone would because the Braves competed in many WS and actually won one. If they hadn't won that one, would you still pick the Braves?

yes because at least you get to see the cubs playing good baseball and in october year in and year out as opposed to watching crap year in and year out

 

Exactly. I'd prefer a consistently competitive team than one that somehow manages to sneak a WS and then vanishes for 5-10 years.

[pccubfan]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have a Braves in the 90's-type situation.

 

 

This. The way you win the most titles is by making it to the playoffs as much as possible, not loading up for the occasional run.

 

And yet, the Marlins won just as many in the 90s as the Braves. They've also won since that decade.

 

My point is we probably shouldn't be hammering away at their signings this offseason. They've tried this approach two times in the past and it has worked. They have set themselves up to have a three or four year window to win it all.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The Marlins are getting ripped pretty good on here, but if this spending spree results in a third ring in their short history, it would make it pretty hard to deny their method.

 

I'd suffer through three or four bad years if it meant a championship or two.

 

If a chronic gambler triples his paycheck at the craps table a few times in a row, it doesn't mean it was a good bet.

 

wow, that's a [expletive] analogy.

 

It's a perfect analogy. The Marlins consistently hit on long shots. Good for them. It doesn't mean I want to emulate their plan.

 

 

what are you talking about? the Marlins spend big on players known to play well, and usually at more reasonable rates in order to mitigate the odds. Jim Hendry is closer to your analogy

Edited December 6, 2011 by minnesotacubsfan

[Yeti]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have a Braves in the 90's-type situation.

 

Anyone would because the Braves competed in many WS and actually won one. If they hadn't won that one, would you still pick the Braves?

yes because at least you get to see the cubs playing good baseball and in october year in and year out as opposed to watching crap year in and year out

 

Exactly. I'd prefer a consistently competitive team than one that somehow manages to sneak a WS and then vanishes for 5-10 years.

after reading my last statement, i need to remember to not be lazy about my punctuation.

[jersey cubs fan]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have a Braves in the 90's-type situation.

 

Anyone would because the Braves competed in many WS and actually won one. If they hadn't won that one, would you still pick the Braves?

yes because at least you get to see the cubs playing good baseball and in october year in and year out as opposed to watching crap year in and year out

 

Exactly. I'd prefer a consistently competitive team than one that somehow manages to sneak a WS and then vanishes for 5-10 years.

 

Absolutely I'd prefer that, but I'd also take the all in all out type seasons than the garbage the Cubs have done, 2 years decent, 2 years bad, 2 years decent, 2 years bad.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

what are you talking about? the Marlins spend big in order to mitigate the odds. Jim Hendry is closer to your analogy

 

The point is that the Marlins made the playoffs twice. Big whoop. The fact that they won the WS twice in that time was just a fluke. I don't value their model any more than I would any other team that made the playoffs twice in almost two decades.

 

It's the same principle that leads me to be more impressed with Epstein's consistent playoff appearances with Boston than the two WS rings.

[mookie]

When it comes to a baseball team, I thoroughly endorse the Joe Morgan principle.

[MSG T]

When it comes to a baseball team, I thoroughly endorse the Joe Morgan principle.

 

Be really good but not have the faintest idea why?

[Banedon]

jcrasnick:

Jeffrey Loria and #Marlins people frantically chased thru lobby by media horde

 

Jon_Heyman:

Marlins braintrust calls ozzie up to their suite. Would not say how meeting with pujols agent went

 

jonmorosi:

I'm no body language expert, but #Marlins looked rather smiley as Albert Pujols talks approach critical point

[pccubfan]

what are you talking about? the Marlins spend big in order to mitigate the odds. Jim Hendry is closer to your analogy

 

The point is that the Marlins made the playoffs twice. Big whoop. The fact that they won the WS twice in that time was just a fluke. I don't value their model any more than I would any other team that made the playoffs twice in almost two decades.

 

It's the same principle that leads me to be more impressed with Epstein's consistent playoff appearances with Boston than the two WS rings.

 

Who says the Marlins wouldn't have kept their team together had they lost one of the WS? Maybe they go to the playoffs three times more, but don't win any more rings.

 

They won two and that is a huge accomplishment for a team that doesn't have the resources of the Red Sox.

[jersey cubs fan]

When it comes to a baseball team, I thoroughly endorse the Joe Morgan principle.

 

Be really good but not have the faintest idea why?

 

consistency

[minnesotacubsfan]

hahaha we've been punked by Ozzie and Co

[KingCubsFan]

I wouldn't. I'd rather have a Braves in the 90's-type situation.

 

 

This. The way you win the most titles is by making it to the playoffs as much as possible, not loading up for the occasional run.

 

And yet, the Marlins won just as many in the 90s as the Braves. They've also won since that decade.

 

My point is we probably shouldn't be hammering away at their signings this offseason. They've tried this approach two times in the past and it has worked. They have set themselves up to have a three or four year window to win it all.

They only bought a World Series once. The second World Series was due to rebuilding the farm system and obtaining young players after dismantling their first World Series team. Lee, Beckett, Cabrera, Burnett, Pavano, Penny, Castillo, etc. were either from the farm system or obtained through trades of veterans. So if the Cubs want to try that approach, that'd be great.

[mookie]

When it comes to a baseball team, I thoroughly endorse the Joe Morgan principle.

 

Be really good but not have the faintest idea why?

 

consistency

 

YES!

[XZero771679666304]

hahaha we've been punked by Ozzie and Co

 

 

A) I don't think Pujols is who the Cubs are really after

 

B) At 10 years, the Marlins would be punking themselves

 

I'm perfectly fine with Pujols to the marlins, given the reported terms.

[sneakypower]

jcrasnick:

Jeffrey Loria and #Marlins people frantically chased thru lobby by media horde

hopefully they were wielding pitchforks and torches and judas cradles

 

there, i saved you the trouble ssr

[jersey cubs fan]

hahaha we've been punked by Ozzie and Co

 

 

A) I don't think Pujols is who the Cubs are really after

 

B) At 10 years, the Marlins would be punking themselves

 

I'm perfectly fine with Pujols to the marlins, given the reported terms.

 

10 years with an opt out after 3 could be a brilliant move for them.

[Have a seat, Neifi]

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[Guest]

reyes SS

hanley 3B

pujols 1B

stanton RF

LoMo LF

buck C

infante 2B

coghlan CF

 

 

yea, that's pretty sick

[XZero771679666304]

hahaha we've been punked by Ozzie and Co

 

 

A) I don't think Pujols is who the Cubs are really after

 

B) At 10 years, the Marlins would be punking themselves

 

I'm perfectly fine with Pujols to the marlins, given the reported terms.

 

10 years with an opt out after 3 could be a brilliant move for them.

 

Yeah, but aren't opt outs at the player's discretion far more often than not? Given the spot he could be in if he declines in the next few years, I don't see Albert going for a scenario where he doesn't have control over the length of his contract. A contract allowing the Marlins to opt out of his contract after 3 years would not be something I could see him or his agent agreeing to.

 

The best the Marlins could hope for would be a limited NTC, imo.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Unless you think the player is going to do something stupid, a player opt-out never improves the contract for the team.

[pccubfan]

jcrasnick:

Jeffrey Loria and #Marlins people frantically chased thru lobby by media horde

 

Jon_Heyman:

Marlins braintrust calls ozzie up to their suite. Would not say how meeting with pujols agent went

 

jonmorosi:

I'm no body language expert, but #Marlins looked rather smiley as Albert Pujols talks approach critical point

 

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