Trade Z to Yanks..NOW!

[Post Count Padder]

Unless we get the Yanks really panicking and they send us a few really good prospects, I don't know if it's worth it. Yeah, Z can be erratic, but it also leaves a big hole in our rotation. And I don't believe that Garza is better than Z, especially since the Rays' asking price will negate the return on Z.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, Z can be erratic, but it also leaves a big hole in our rotation.

 

Or bullpen.

[Sammy Sofa]

Zambrano doesn't melt down over the "pressure" of playing in a market like Chicago. He sometimes melts down when he pitches poorly or when his team plays poorly around him (or he thinks they do). That would follow him anywhere, big market or small.

[Northside Blues]

No Thanks

[Rob]

He isn't worth his contract, but it isn't quite as far off as you might think... Almost certainly a better rate of return than Hendry gets on most of the FA dollars he spends. Trading him just for salary relief would be a very bad idea.

[Clem Fandango]

Pay for all his salary this year and demand Jesus Montero in return......

 

And get laughed at

[Benchwarmer]

Yeah, Z can be erratic, but it also leaves a big hole in our rotation.

 

Or bullpen.

 

The only big hole he would leave is on the payroll, which is what you want. When he was healthy the last 3 years he wasn't even the 1-2 starter. Overpaid..unreliable..I see no reason to keep him. I only want minor leaguers back, not other bad contracts.

[Rob]

Yeah, Z can be erratic, but it also leaves a big hole in our rotation.

 

Or bullpen.

 

The only big hole he would leave is on the payroll, which is what you want. When he was healthy the last 3 years he wasn't even the 1-2 starter. Overpaid..unreliable..I see no reason to keep him. I only want minor leaguers back, not other bad contracts.

 

Lemme guess, not enough wins?

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, Z can be erratic, but it also leaves a big hole in our rotation.

 

Or bullpen.

 

The only big hole he would leave is on the payroll, which is what you want. When he was healthy the last 3 years he wasn't even the 1-2 starter. Overpaid..unreliable..I see no reason to keep him. I only want minor leaguers back, not other bad contracts.

 

Lemme guess, not enough wins?

 

He actually was second on the team in wins last year, was 3rd in winning percentage in 2008, second in 2009 and 1st last year.

 

It can't be that, I don't think. xFIP doesn't like him, though (4th best xFIP on the team). ERA+ is best on the team, though.

[Banedon]

Even getting away from those fancy new fangled stats, he had the best starters ERA on the team last year,

[inari]

Yeah, Z can be erratic, but it also leaves a big hole in our rotation.

 

Or bullpen.

 

The only big hole he would leave is on the payroll, which is what you want. When he was healthy the last 3 years he wasn't even the 1-2 starter. Overpaid..unreliable..I see no reason to keep him. I only want minor leaguers back, not other bad contracts.

 

Lemme guess, not enough wins?

 

I'm gonna go ahead and save this thread the trouble of shooting down Benchwarmer every time he brings up wins for pitchers. Yes, he thinks they're the most important stat. Yes, he's wrong. No, he's not going to change his mind. Let's move on folks.

[David]

Even getting away from those fancy new fangled stats, he had the best starters ERA on the team last year,

 

 

Uhhhhhh get out of here with that ERA crap you saber nerd

 

 

Zambrano doesn't win games.

[Clem Fandango]

I keep glancing over the title when I come here and for a split second I think I'm reading "Z traded to Yanks... WOW" and it freaks me out.

 

That being said even though they could easily take on his salary, they won't. Just to have a little fun discussing it however, who else is in their system that's worth a damn besides Montero? Only other one I can think of off the top of my head is maybe Dellin Betances.

[davell]

Manny Banuelos is one of the best lefty pitching prospects in baseball. I'd think he's untouchable in a hypothetical trade for Z. Same with Gary Sanchez, a very solid catcher in their system. Andrew Brackman may have turned a corner last year for them and he COULD be a guy the Cubs would want as part of a return. They also have a semi-solid 2B prospect named Adams(David, I think) that could hold some value to us. Solid all around player with a little pop. They have another C prospect, Austin Romine, who had a down year last season, but I'm sure still holds very solid value as well.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Even getting away from those fancy new fangled stats, he had the best starters ERA on the team last year,

 

 

Uhhhhhh get out of here with that ERA crap you saber nerd

 

 

Zambrano doesn't win games.

 

You know a championship ballplayer when you see him, and Zambrano isn't it.

[KingCubsFan]

Manny Banuelos is one of the best lefty pitching prospects in baseball. I'd think he's untouchable in a hypothetical trade for Z. Same with Gary Sanchez, a very solid catcher in their system. Andrew Brackman may have turned a corner last year for them and he COULD be a guy the Cubs would want as part of a return. They also have a semi-solid 2B prospect named Adams(David, I think) that could hold some value to us. Solid all around player with a little pop. They have another C prospect, Austin Romine, who had a down year last season, but I'm sure still holds very solid value as well.

Yeah, I think Brackman might be a realistic target as well.

[Rob]

Cubs were connected to Brackman back when he was drafted.

[Guest]

Another thing I just don't trust Hendry to handle if this trade has legs. I expect him to only get enough salary relief to trade for Garza and then call it an offseason. Meanwhile, we will be paying a portion of Zambrano's salary for the remainder of the contract.

 

In other words, I'd expect Cashman to get the better end of that deal by a significant margin.

[mul21]

Another thing I just don't trust Hendry to handle if this trade has legs. I expect him to only get enough salary relief to trade for Garza and then call it an offseason. Meanwhile, we will be paying a portion of Zambrano's salary for the remainder of the contract.

 

In other words, I'd expect Cashman to get the better end of that deal by a significant margin.

 

He's been bad at salary dumps, but that's not really what this is. It's really more similar to the DeRosa situation where you can move the guy for the right deal, but you're certainly not backed into a corner by any means.

[TruffleShuffle]

wait brackman is good now? i haven't been paying attention at all.

[PackLandVA]

Zambrano's trade value was at its absolute lowest last summer. He came back in the second half and pitched really well, thus improving his trade value. But it's still pretty low. Why not hold on to him through the first part of the season? He should be able to put up good numbers again, possibly really good numbers, because he has for most of his career. That will increase his trade value, and assuming the Cubs are out of contention, they stand to get a much better return by waiting until June/July.

 

No reason to jump on this trade idea too soon unless the offer is really, really good!

[CubsWin]

Zambrano's trade value was at its absolute lowest last summer. He came back in the second half and pitched really well, thus improving his trade value. But it's still pretty low. Why not hold on to him through the first part of the season? He should be able to put up good numbers again, possibly really good numbers, because he has for most of his career. That will increase his trade value, and assuming the Cubs are out of contention, they stand to get a much better return by waiting until June/July.

 

No reason to jump on this trade idea too soon unless the offer is really, really good!

I agree. If it's true that the Yankees are desperate, then the Cubs have the upper hand. I doubt that they are. Motivated, perhaps. Interested. But not desperate. At this point, I would want two very good prospects in return for Z. Cano will be manning 2B for the forseeable future so including David Adams in a deal should be within the realm of possibility. Banuelos would almost certainly cause them to balk, but someone like Adam Warren might be possible and perhaps a better return than someone like Brackman.

 

Would Adams and Warren with maybe a young, Low-A or short season prospect like a Gary Sanchez or J.R. Murphy be enough to do the deal right now? I think it would be for me. Question is, how motivated are the Yankees and how much money would the Cubs need to eat...

[Magnetic Curses]

Why is Garza more dependable than Z again?

He's younger, healthier and not crazy?

 

but z is much better.

 

this whole trade z movememnet upsets me greatly. he's never gone near 100 in terms of era+.

[SouthSideRyan]

[expletive] it, I hope Z gets traded just to see who we get to blame next.

[KingCubsFan]

Why is Garza more dependable than Z again?

He's younger, healthier and not crazy?

 

but z is much better.

 

this whole trade z movememnet upsets me greatly. he's never gone near 100 in terms of era+.

I don't know how you can argue that Z is better. Garza just put up 3 consecutive WHIPS of roughly 1.25 in the AL East; Zambrano hasn't done that in 5 years in the NL Central.