A-Gone traded to the Red Sox for prospects

[davell]

Just because spending more does not guarantee success does not mean spending less is a better way to go.

 

I just don't want to be in a situation where our payroll can get to $140m one year, so our payroll is at 138 mil, then we need to aquire a SP at the deadline, so the payroll goes up to $145, then we need to resign our 3B, so now it's up to $150. And then all the sudden we are spending more than intended, and become the Florida Marlins for the next 3 years while we wait for our payroll to go down. I wouldnt mind a $120 million payroll if we knew with a contending team we could go up to $140.

 

Or I guess the best solution is to hire a GM that can plan for stuff like this ahead of time so that we don't have to wait 3 years for all the big contracts to start coming off the books.

 

There's no reason why a reasonable budget and long range planning can't solve that situation without having to dip down to $110m, ever.

 

 

Next year, we will have 80ish mill committed to the following team

 

C SOTO

1B

2B DEWITT

SS CASTRO

3B

LF SORIANO

CF BYRD

RF COLVIN

 

SP ZAMBRANO DEMPSTER WELLS GORZELANNY

RP MARMOL CASHNER MARSHALL

 

We'll also have plenty of youngsters who could be ready to contribute by then as well.

 

So unless you can sign an ace and a bigtime 1B next offseason as FA(AGON isn't going to hit the market now and I seriously doubt Pujols does, leaving Fielder as the only real option at 1B and there are ZERO aces turning FA next offseason, unless CC opts out or Carpenter and Oswalt don't have their options picked up) there is no reason whatsoever to go out and spend unnecessarily just to keep your payroll at a certain level. I'd much rather spend whatever is left over on our system. And then spend on FA when the needs and the available players are actually a match.

[Old Style]

The Cubs inquired about the Padres' Adrian Gonzalez and Dodgers' James Loney. But Gonzalez, who wound up with the Red Sox, would have cost the Cubs Andrew Cashner, who is not available.

This is from a Sully article in today's Trib. I hope to God that we didn't back out of a possible AGon deal solely because we refused to trade Cashner.

[Guest]

I'm speechless that the Padres made this trade. It's going to be some entertaining reading in San Diego. A team on the brink of making the playoffs last year trades their hometown boy for a bunch of undeveloped and unknown prospects to tailspin their way back to the bottom of the standings. Sure is inspiring for those interested in season tickets. :stickman:

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs inquired about the Padres' Adrian Gonzalez and Dodgers' James Loney. But Gonzalez, who wound up with the Red Sox, would have cost the Cubs Andrew Cashner, who is not available.

This is from a Sully article in today's Trib. I hope to God that we didn't back out of a possible AGon deal solely because we refused to trade Cashner.

 

I'll be more pissed if we refused to trade Cashner and plan on wasting him as a setup man his entire career.

[JeffH]

The best part of this trade is that we get to be dominated by Casey Kelly for the better part of the next decade!

[UMFan83]

The Cubs inquired about the Padres' Adrian Gonzalez and Dodgers' James Loney. But Gonzalez, who wound up with the Red Sox, would have cost the Cubs Andrew Cashner, who is not available.

This is from a Sully article in today's Trib. I hope to God that we didn't back out of a possible AGon deal solely because we refused to trade Cashner.

 

I'll be more pissed if we refused to trade Cashner and plan on wasting him as a setup man his entire career.

 

Indirectly a good point. If Cashner is considered 'untouchable', then the Cubs have to have intentions of him being more than a setup guy.

 

That said, I am not sure how the Cubs planned on getting a deal done without including Cashner or Castro. Not that I mind holding onto those guys.

[SouthSideRyan]

Indirectly a good point. If Cashner is considered 'untouchable', then the Cubs have to have intentions of him being more than a setup guy.

 

That said, I am not sure how the Cubs planned on getting a deal done without including Cashner or Castro. Not that I mind holding onto those guys.

 

I'm not so sure. The logic of this front office appears to only stretch back as far as a year. The bullpen sucked last year, ergo, the most important thing to have for the future is a reliable bullpen.

[KingCubsFan]

The best part of this trade is that we get to be dominated by Casey Kelly for the better part of the next decade!

He had an ERA over 5 in AA and gave up a ton of hits. And he's never really had dominant strikeout numbers. Given that he was a first round pick of the Red Sox and was once a two way player, he's probably overrated.

[jersey cubs fan]

The best part of this trade is that we get to be dominated by Casey Kelly for the better part of the next decade!

He had an ERA over 5 in AA and gave up a ton of hits. And he's never really had dominant strikeout numbers. Given that he was a first round pick of the Red Sox and was once a two way player, he's probably overrated.

 

Also, since he's on the Padres the chances of him dominating the Cubs for a decade are not all that great. Maybe he'll face them once a year, possibly twice, and almost certainly never in the playoffs.

[Guest]

The best part of this trade is that we get to be dominated by Casey Kelly for the better part of the next decade!

He had an ERA over 5 in AA and gave up a ton of hits. And he's never really had dominant strikeout numbers. Given that he was a first round pick of the Red Sox and was once a two way player, he's probably overrated.

 

Also, since he's on the Padres the chances of him dominating the Cubs for a decade are not all that great. Maybe he'll face them once a year, possibly twice, and almost certainly never in the playoffs.

 

The Padres apparently can't afford anyone that makes over $400K, so maybe a quarter of a decade. As soon as his arby bonuses kick in, it's time to cut bait.

[SouthSideRyan]

The best part of this trade is that we get to be dominated by Casey Kelly for the better part of the next decade!

He had an ERA over 5 in AA and gave up a ton of hits. And he's never really had dominant strikeout numbers. Given that he was a first round pick of the Red Sox and was once a two way player, he's probably overrated.

 

Also, since he's on the Padres the chances of him dominating the Cubs for a decade are not all that great. Maybe he'll face them once a year, possibly twice, and almost certainly never in the playoffs.

 

The Padres apparently can't afford anyone that makes over $400K, so maybe a quarter of a decade. As soon as his arby bonuses kick in, it's time to cut bait.

 

Yeah Adrian Gonzalez was gonna be really cheap next year.

[Guest]

Yeah Adrian Gonzalez was gonna be really cheap next year.

 

6.3m to be exact. And look how they fixed that problem. :hello:

[SouthSideRyan]

Yeah Adrian Gonzalez was gonna be really cheap next year.

 

6.3m to be exact. And look how they fixed that problem. :hello:

 

I meant 2012, when he'll cost 20M+

[Guest]

Yeah Adrian Gonzalez was gonna be really cheap next year.

 

6.3m to be exact. And look how they fixed that problem. :hello:

 

I meant 2012, when he'll cost 20M+

 

Team payroll in 2010 was 35m less than it was in 2008. They could have very easily afforded Gonzalez if they really wanted to, just like the Twins afforded Mauer. Chris Young is off the books now and they could have saved a few more dollars moving Heath Bell, the only other significant contract on the books.

 

At the very least, they could have traded Gonzalez at the deadline (if they were out of the running for a playoff spot) for a very similar package of players instead of alienating their entire fanbase before the season even begins.

 

The Padres are crying pour rather than coming through with their promises with the fans that a new stadium would allow them to retain talent instead of having fire sales over and over. 35m reduction in payroll. And revenue sharing that allows the owners to reap even more benefits. What they don't realize is that this might be the one that breaks their back.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Twins have a payroll pushing 100M. They can afford to commit to players long term with that kind of wiggle room. You don't tie up 1/3 of your payroll on 1 player.

 

And why would they get a similar package for 2 months of Gonzalez compared to a full season? That's a myth along the lines of contract years, pixies, and Blockbuster Video.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Padres are crying pour

 

I think they are crying poor. Cubs fans are crying pour when they belly up to the bar.

[Guest]

The Padres are crying pour

 

I think they are crying poor. Cubs fans are crying pour when they belly up to the bar.

 

Haha. Yeah, whoops.

[Guest]

The Twins have a payroll pushing 100M. They can afford to commit to players long term with that kind of wiggle room. You don't tie up 1/3 of your payroll on 1 player.

 

And why would they get a similar package for 2 months of Gonzalez compared to a full season? That's a myth along the lines of contract years, pixies, and Blockbuster Video.

 

There is no reason the Padres can't spend like the Twins. None. They have a tv deal on cable that reaches out to most of their market. They have over 3m in the county and surrounding counties as well as Mexico.

 

They could get that kind of package for Gonzalez because they could work out an extension just like the Red Sox just did. You don't think the Yankees and Red Sox could get into a bidding war at the deadline if they are both neck and neck for the playoffs?

 

The Padres got 3 guys who are 20 years old or younger. Guys who may never see a single game in the big leagues. This team finished 2 games out of the playoffs and basically just gave away 2011. Even if the package is worse at the deadline or they only get compensation picks losing him to free agency at the end of the year, I think you still owe it to the fans to try to win it instead of packing it in before the season even starts. But, that's just me.

[abuck1220]

if petco park wasn't already on your banned list, it would be now.

[imb]

who was it like a month ago that was screaming about how there was no way the padres were trading this guy

[Guest]

if petco park wasn't already on your banned list, it would be now.

 

Yep. My banned places to visit still are Petco Park and any place abuck might be present. But, thanks for playing.

[Guest]

who was it like a month ago that was screaming about how there was no way the padres were trading this guy

 

I don't if that's exactly how I put it. I probably said that they wouldn't trade him and I certainly was wrong. However, I'm not the one that will be facing a huge backlash for doing so. That's all on the ownership and GM of the Padres. Good luck selling tickets this year, boys!

[imb]

who was it like a month ago that was screaming about how there was no way the padres were trading this guy

 

I don't if that's exactly how I put it. I probably said that they wouldn't trade him and I certainly was wrong. However, I'm not the one that will be facing a huge backlash for doing so. That's all on the ownership and GM of the Padres. Good luck selling tickets this year, boys!

 

oh. well, either way, it's definitely taken a lot of the shine off your modhood in my eyes.

[SouthSideRyan]

who was it like a month ago that was screaming about how there was no way the padres were trading this guy

 

I don't if that's exactly how I put it. I probably said that they wouldn't trade him and I certainly was wrong. However, I'm not the one that will be facing a huge backlash for doing so. That's all on the ownership and GM of the Padres. Good luck selling tickets this year, boys!

 

Last year was the 2nd lowest attendance in Petco history. How much worse can it get than barely drawing 20,000 as a first place team against an in-state rival?

[Guest]

who was it like a month ago that was screaming about how there was no way the padres were trading this guy

 

I don't if that's exactly how I put it. I probably said that they wouldn't trade him and I certainly was wrong. However, I'm not the one that will be facing a huge backlash for doing so. That's all on the ownership and GM of the Padres. Good luck selling tickets this year, boys!

 

Last year was the 2nd lowest attendance in Petco history. How much worse can it get than barely drawing 20,000 as a first place team against an in-state rival?

 

The lowest Padres payroll in this millennium happened this year and before the 2nd lowest attendance in Petco history. This is not a chicken/egg scenario. One clearly begot the other. There was a record drop off in season ticket sales due to the cut backs in payroll. Trading Peavy made everyone angry around here.

 

Watch attendance get even worse this year now that they have announced that they have no desire to be competitive this year.

 

I may be off base here, but weren't a lot of teams down in attendance this year with the cut backs in corporate boxes and season tickets sales?