Bears game 12: Sunday, Dec 5 at DET on FOX

[jersey cubs fan]

i dont think any team with an offensive line as bad as the 2010 Bears' can win the Super Bowl

 

Pittsburgh won with a pretty weak line. They had more WR weapons to somewhat offset the problem, but it was a pretty big problem.

 

I think the key difference is the Pittsburgh defense is more attacking and therefore more capable of shutting down the opponent, whereas the Bears bend but don't break defense is more susceptible to a precision QB picking them apart. Pittsburgh was #1 defense in scoring and yards because they smothered people.

Edited December 1, 2010 by jersey cubs fan

[UMFan83]

i dont think any team with an offensive line as bad as the 2010 Bears' can win the Super Bowl

 

Pittsburgh won with a pretty weak line. They had more WR weapons to somewhat offset the problem, but it was a pretty big problem.

 

Yeah I was gonna say, I remember that line being pretty bad. Of course I don't think we have a Santonio Holmes, much less a Hines Ward on our roster.

[UMFan83]

Bears improve to 18th in DVOA rankings. They still have a negative DVOA for the season but it has been trending upwards for several weeks now. 2 weeks ago they were 24th overall and now 18th. Their numbers rank the Bears offense 30th still. They've kind of been in this isle of suckatudes for awhile. The 29th and 31st teams have a huuuuge gap between them with the Bears almost right in the middle. So while they are playing better, they still haven't played well enough to make up for the first 8-9 games.

 

FYI the defense is rated 6th in the league and Special teams 3rd. The offensive line is 29th overall, with the pass blocking still dead last by a good margin but the number has improved so that it is not a historically bad number, but a average number for the last place team in a given year.

[Banedon]

Bears improve to 18th in DVOA rankings. They still have a negative DVOA for the season but it has been trending upwards for several weeks now. 2 weeks ago they were 24th overall and now 18th. Their numbers rank the Bears offense 30th still. They've kind of been in this isle of suckatudes for awhile. The 29th and 31st teams have a huuuuge gap between them with the Bears almost right in the middle. So while they are playing better, they still haven't played well enough to make up for the first 8-9 games.

 

FYI the defense is rated 6th in the league and Special teams 3rd. The offensive line is 29th overall, with the pass blocking still dead last by a good margin but the number has improved so that it is not a historically bad number, but a average number for the last place team in a given year.

 

To get ahead of myself by a lot for just a minute...I bet it'd be a historically bad OL DVOA for a SB team...heh.

[UMFan83]

Bears improve to 18th in DVOA rankings. They still have a negative DVOA for the season but it has been trending upwards for several weeks now. 2 weeks ago they were 24th overall and now 18th. Their numbers rank the Bears offense 30th still. They've kind of been in this isle of suckatudes for awhile. The 29th and 31st teams have a huuuuge gap between them with the Bears almost right in the middle. So while they are playing better, they still haven't played well enough to make up for the first 8-9 games.

 

FYI the defense is rated 6th in the league and Special teams 3rd. The offensive line is 29th overall, with the pass blocking still dead last by a good margin but the number has improved so that it is not a historically bad number, but a average number for the last place team in a given year.

 

To get ahead of myself by a lot for just a minute...I bet it'd be a historically bad OL DVOA for a SB team...heh.

 

At first I missed the OL part of your post and thought you meant just a historically bad overall DVOA for a SB team. And I'm sure not many 18th best DVOA teams make the SB, but wanted to point out the 08 Cardinals finished 21st in DVOA, which was -3.2 (the Bears are currently at -0.2)

[UMFan83]

Also, the 08 Steelers offensive line was ranked 24th in the league and their pass blocking was 29th in the league with a 9.2% Adjusted Sack Rate. The Bears are 32nd with a 10.8 Adjusted Sack Rate. 9.2 is still pretty bad and would lead the NFL some years.

[Banedon]

Peppers won NFC defensive player of the month.

 

Cutler is one of the NFC players of the week.

[Soul]

i dont think any team with an offensive line as bad as the 2010 Bears' can win the Super Bowl

 

Pittsburgh won with a pretty weak line. They had more WR weapons to somewhat offset the problem, but it was a pretty big problem.

 

Yeah I was gonna say, I remember that line being pretty bad. Of course I don't think we have a Santonio Holmes, much less a Hines Ward on our roster.

 

They had a QB who was pretty hard to bring down, too. Guys would come through and just not get Big Ben on the ground. It was clear the blocking wasn't all that great. They just compensated for it.

 

I don't think we can really do that. Jay can move, but he's not going to bust tackles very often.

[jersey cubs fan]

i dont think any team with an offensive line as bad as the 2010 Bears' can win the Super Bowl

 

Pittsburgh won with a pretty weak line. They had more WR weapons to somewhat offset the problem, but it was a pretty big problem.

 

Yeah I was gonna say, I remember that line being pretty bad. Of course I don't think we have a Santonio Holmes, much less a Hines Ward on our roster.

 

They had a QB who was pretty hard to bring down, too. Guys would come through and just not get Big Ben on the ground. It was clear the blocking wasn't all that great. They just compensated for it.

 

I don't think we can really do that. Jay can move, but he's not going to bust tackles very often.

Maybe tough to bring down, but they certainly got it done frequently.

[jersey cubs fan]

UPDATE: Drew Stanton has been named the Lions' starting quarterback for Sunday's game against the Bears, according to a Twitter report from Tom Kowalski of MLive.com

The Detroit Free Press reports: Drew Stanton is expected to make the second start of his career Sunday for the Lions against the Bears, with rookie Zac Robinson being the backup.

 

Shaun Hill broke the index finger on his right hand in the first half of the Lions' Thanksgiving loss to the Patriots, a person familiar with the situation told the Free Press. Hill is expected to miss a month and could be placed on season-ending injured reserve. No. 1 quarterback Matthew Stafford is rehabbing from his second separated right shoulder of the season.

[Banedon]

Other teams injure the other teams players during games. Not the Bears. They're too good. They injure the other teams players BEFORE they play them!

[Magnetic Curses]

re-watching the eagles game, i am very impressed with henry melton. in the first half, he was constantly pushing his man up the field and getting in on and disrupting plays. i think we actually have a good one here, with the size to bull-rush and the speed to come off the edge.

[JonJayCutler]

Has anyone seen the NFL TV map for this week yet? Half of the country is showing the GB/SF game. What the hell? I don't understand how the Bears have such a small region when they're a first place team, I don't care if they are playing the Lions. It's not like the Packers are playing anyone good.

[JonJayCutler]

Also for the FOX late game, about 80% of the country is showing Indy/Dallas, when Atlanta/TB would be a MUCH better alternative.

 

Okay done venting now.

[wekse]

re-watching the eagles game, i am very impressed with henry melton. in the first half, he was constantly pushing his man up the field and getting in on and disrupting plays. i think we actually have a good one here, with the size to bull-rush and the speed to come off the edge.

 

i've been very happy with his play recently...and you're right about the eagles game...easily the best we've seen of him, let's hope it continues.

[jersey cubs fan]

Has anyone seen the NFL TV map for this week yet? Half of the country is showing the GB/SF game. What the hell? I don't understand how the Bears have such a small region when they're a first place team, I don't care if they are playing the Lions. It's not like the Packers are playing anyone good.

 

That's not really half the country. It's a large landmass, but not a lot of people.

[JonJayCutler]

Has anyone seen the NFL TV map for this week yet? Half of the country is showing the GB/SF game. What the hell? I don't understand how the Bears have such a small region when they're a first place team, I don't care if they are playing the Lions. It's not like the Packers are playing anyone good.

 

That's not really half the country. It's a large landmass, but not a lot of people.

 

Still though. Even parts of Illinois and half of Michigan are showing GB/SF. Doesn't make sense. East central Iowa is loaded with Bears fans, yet they're getting the Packers game.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm going to be pissed if I get stuck with SF/MN

[Banedon]

Why do I keep reading about a Vikings turnaround? For example...

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dom_bonvissuto/12/01/nfl-playoff-projections-week-13/1.html

 

If the Vikings continue their turnaround, perhaps no team has a tougher final four games than the Bears. Losing three of four to finish, as we're projecting, wouldn't be great, momentum-wise, but would still be enough to sneak in.

 

They project us losing the NE, Minny and GB games. But seriously, why is there a sentiment that the Vikings are all of a sudden a tough game? Because they dropped a whopping 17 on the Redskins?

 

Meanwhile they have GB winning out.

[rawaction]

re-watching the eagles game, i am very impressed with henry melton. in the first half, he was constantly pushing his man up the field and getting in on and disrupting plays. i think we actually have a good one here, with the size to bull-rush and the speed to come off the edge.

 

He's been wonderful this year. The Bears scouting giveth and also taketh away. Melton was a great find as a college RB, turned DE, who the Bears then bulked up and turned to a DT. Of course, that's the same draft they picked Jarron Gilbert.

[rawaction]

Why do I keep reading about a Vikings turnaround? For example...

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dom_bonvissuto/12/01/nfl-playoff-projections-week-13/1.html

 

If the Vikings continue their turnaround, perhaps no team has a tougher final four games than the Bears. Losing three of four to finish, as we're projecting, wouldn't be great, momentum-wise, but would still be enough to sneak in.

 

They project us losing the NE, Minny and GB games. But seriously, why is there a sentiment that the Vikings are all of a sudden a tough game? Because they dropped a whopping 17 on the Redskins?

 

Coaching change. They think it's going to have the same results as it did in Dallas because the teams have similar talent. Of course, Dallas' momentum only lasted for 2 wins.

[Soul]

They're playing Buffalo too, so it becomes safer to talk in terms of a "turnaround" knowing that the likelihood of a 2 game winning streak is relatively high.

 

I'll bet he wouldn't have written that if the Vikes played, say, NE on Sunday.

[UMFan83]

Why do I keep reading about a Vikings turnaround? For example...

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dom_bonvissuto/12/01/nfl-playoff-projections-week-13/1.html

 

If the Vikings continue their turnaround, perhaps no team has a tougher final four games than the Bears. Losing three of four to finish, as we're projecting, wouldn't be great, momentum-wise, but would still be enough to sneak in.

 

They project us losing the NE, Minny and GB games. But seriously, why is there a sentiment that the Vikings are all of a sudden a tough game? Because they dropped a whopping 17 on the Redskins?

 

Coaching change. They think it's going to have the same results as it did in Dallas because the teams have similar talent. Of course, Dallas' momentum only lasted for 2 wins.

 

2 wins, plus a close loss to the Saints that they would have won if Roy Williams could catch the ball.

[tfarks]

Why do I keep reading about a Vikings turnaround? For example...

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dom_bonvissuto/12/01/nfl-playoff-projections-week-13/1.html

 

If the Vikings continue their turnaround, perhaps no team has a tougher final four games than the Bears. Losing three of four to finish, as we're projecting, wouldn't be great, momentum-wise, but would still be enough to sneak in.

 

They project us losing the NE, Minny and GB games. But seriously, why is there a sentiment that the Vikings are all of a sudden a tough game? Because they dropped a whopping 17 on the Redskins?

 

Coaching change. They think it's going to have the same results as it did in Dallas because the teams have similar talent. Of course, Dallas' momentum only lasted for 2 wins.

 

2 wins, plus a close loss to the Saints that they would have won if Roy Williams could hold on to the ball.

 

Small change

[Banedon]

Urlacher doesn't like the NFL fines...

 

"I think it's bull, the way they're doing it. The thing I don't like about it is, if they say it, you pay the fine. That's all there is to it," Urlacher reportedly explained. "And I don't know who makes the decision. I don't know if there's one guy, two guys, but I don't think it's fair. I think we should have a panel of guys who look at those hits and go over them."

 

Urlacher went on to say that he thinks the money is "outrageous," suggesting that there should be different levels of fines. He has not been fined this season.

 

Um...Brian, there's already a group of people that are involved...

 

Any play involving a violation that needs to be reviewed for possible discipline, whether flagged on the field or not, is referred to Anderson and his staff, which includes Hanks, a nine-year NFL veteran (1991-99). Hanks or Anderson make the initial determination for discipline for on-field violations.

 

Players have the right to appeal league discipline. The Collective Bargaining Agreement specifies that appeals of fines or suspensions of players for unnecessary roughness or unsportsmanlike conduct are determined by the Commissioner’s designee. The decision on persons appointed as the Commissioner’s designee for on-field player discipline appeals is made in consultation with the NFL Players Association.

 

Those designated to review the plays that are appealed are former defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell and former Raiders tackle and head coach Art Shell. The duo were jointly appointed by the players' association and the league.

 

So that's at least 4 people, not counding the NFLPA.