2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[SpongeWorthy]

Well the Bulls are a win ugly kind of team.

[Derwood]

Does his sagging FG% correlate with getting to the line more (ie missing drives in the lane because he's getting fouled more)?

[17 Seconds]

shots you get fouled on don't count as field goal attempts unless you make them Edited March 18, 2011 by 17 Seconds

[Derwood]

shots you get fouled on don't count as a field goal attempt unless you make it

 

Gotcha

[Banedon]

shots you get fouled on don't count as a field goal attempt unless you make it

 

Sure, but I think what he was trying to say is that before he was avoiding that contact and making the shots. Instead of now playing into the contact, and not necessarily getting the FG's...instead going to the line. No idea at all if that's accurate at all, but I think that's what he was implying.

 

EDIT: Or not.

[Sammy Sofa]

Just spitballing...

 

Perhaps the Bulls feel confident enough with the way the team has been playing and the position they're in that they WANT Rose to take these 3's in the hope that he gets better at them, or at least more comfortable/confident at taking them when he really has to? I mean, you already know what he can do inside the line, but the lack of a true #2-guard threat is going to be glaring in the playoffs, so maybe they're using the luxury of the position they're in to try and shore up his 3's as much as possible during the season.

 

I don't know, but it sure as [expletive] makes more sense than assuming that Thibs and co. are just letting him do it just because, or are ignoring his numbers or are clueless about it.

[bukie]

The Bulls are actually #1 in Hollinger's ratings now, and have a greater than 25% chance to win it all. Every week I assume the Bulls have hit their high water mark for those ratings, and they keep doing better.

[UMFan83]

Here...this is a breakdown of Rose's shots this year and last year (from hoopdata.com). The numbers in parenthses are his rank amongst qualified PGs (the qualifications were 25+ minutes per game, 30+ games play).

 

LAST YEAR:

 

At Rim: 55.1% (23rd/37) - 439 Attempts (4th/37)

3-9 Feet: 57.5% (2nd/37) - 167 Attempts (1st/37)

10-15 Feet: 50.0% (7th/37) - 164 Attempts (2nd/37)

16-23 Feet: 44.0% (5th/37) - 540 Attempts (1st/37) The 2nd place person had 365 attempts (Curry)

3 pointers: 40.1% (EFG) (30th/37) - 60 Attempts (34th/37)

 

THIS YEAR:

 

 

At Rim: 58.6% (23rd/34) - 394 Attempts (2nd/34)

3-9 feet: 40.4% (13th/34) - 166 Attempts (1st/34)

10-15 feet: 41.9% (11th/34) - 117 Attempts (3rd/34)

16-23 feet: 39.0% (16th/34) - 331 Attempts (1st/34)

3 pointers: 50.4% (EFG) 23rd/34 - 304 Attempts (2nd/34)

 

So as you can see, his biggest drop off in terms of percentage comes from 3-9 feet out, as he's went from a 57.5% shooter to a 40.5% shooter. But this is only a small effect, as his 3-9 foot shots were only ~13% of his total shots. Other noticable changes are his % from 10-15 feet dropped 9%, but again this is his least chosen shot attempt. He has shot over 200 less attempts from 16-23, which he killed last year, and has pretty much given those attempts from behind the 3 point line, where he has shot around 33%, down from 44% from midrange.

 

So has the decision to take less shots from 16-23 and instead take a majority behind the 3 point line been effective for him?

 

Here is what I came up with:

 

10-11 - 635 shots to score 559 points (.880 points per shot)

 

09-10 - 600 shots to score 523 points (.872 points per shot)

 

So Rose has gotten more points this year, but in more shots (and less games). But the efficiency is nearly identical).

 

If you break down his PPS for the various shots, you'd see he is more efficient at the rim this year (1.17 PPS vs. 1.10 PPS last year), extremely less efficient from 3-9 feet (0.81 PPS vs. 1.15 PPS last year), and slightly less efficient from 10-15 feet (0.84 PPS vs. 1.00 PPS last year).

 

I'm not sure what sort of groundbreaking conclusions one can draw from this data, but its interesting to look at nonetheless.

[ChiCubsFan]

Instead of taking long 2s (the worst shot in basketball), he is taking 3s. While shooting the 3 is a better shot, it is harder to make. Therefore, his FG% goes down, but he's scoring more points per shot. I'm okay with this. Give him another offseason, and he will improve. His release is very inconsistent and with the determination to get better that Rose has, there's no doubt in my mind he's going to improve. If he actually gets a real 2 guard, his efficiency will go up too.

 

And as someone stated earlier, I guarantee Rose shoots more last second half court shots than anyone in the league. It probably doesn't make that much of a difference, but a little bit.

[Soul]

Well the Bulls are a win ugly kind of team.

 

And when you win ugly as often as the Bulls, it becomes a beautiful thing.

[imb]

Instead of taking long 2s (the worst shot in basketball), he is taking 3s. While shooting the 3 is a better shot, it is harder to make. Therefore, his FG% goes down, but he's scoring more points per shot. I'm okay with this. Give him another offseason, and he will improve. His release is very inconsistent and with the determination to get better that Rose has, there's no doubt in my mind he's going to improve. If he actually gets a real 2 guard, his efficiency will go up too.

 

And as someone stated earlier, I guarantee Rose shoots more last second half court shots than anyone in the league. It probably doesn't make that much of a difference, but a little bit.

 

0.03 more PPS than last season. And that's because of the FT line

[Sosa21MVP]

Pacers will end the Bulls winning streak tonight. \:D/

[ctcf]

Only on NSBB could a thread covering a team's most successful season in over a decade be filled with statistical arguing/trolling regarding the team's best player and comments about they win ugly.

[Banedon]

Only on NSBB could a thread covering a team's most successful season in over a decade be filled with statistical arguing/trolling regarding the team's best player and comments about they win ugly.

 

Yeah, that's not true. There's plenty of sites that do that. It's the internet. If it wasn't full of cynics, it wouldn't be nearly as fun.

[ctcf]

Only on NSBB could a thread covering a team's most successful season in over a decade be filled with statistical arguing/trolling regarding the team's best player and comments about they win ugly.

 

Yeah, that's not true. There's plenty of sites that do that. It's the internet. If it wasn't full of cynics, it wouldn't be nearly as fun.

 

Wait, there's fun being had? Here?

[illiniguy]

Freaking Rose is so polarizing for me. I want to be able to be happy the Bulls are so good again, but I just can't cheer for Derrick.

[ConstableRabbit]

Freaking Rose is so polarizing for me. I want to be able to be happy the Bulls are so good again, but I just can't cheer for Derrick.

Why not?

[C.C.]

Freaking Rose is so polarizing for me. I want to be able to be happy the Bulls are so good again, but I just can't cheer for Derrick.

 

What the [expletive]?

[sneakypower]

force of habit, he's a big KU fan

[Soul]

Come on, you can't post a comment like that and not say WHY you can't cheer for Derrick.

 

Do tell :)

[Andy]

Because he's butt-hurt that Deron Williams isn't the best PG in the NBA I'm guessing. Or because of his SAT flap, since IG and most of the Illini fans are all about college hoops integrity, hence their hatred of all the rule-breakers, rumored and confirmed in NCAA coaching.

[Flames24Rulz]

Yeah, I don't get the hate for Rose either. Unless Illinois was going to pay him, he wasn't going there.

 

I mean [expletive], I got over Eric Gordon as soon as he lost in the first round to Arkansas. I don't understand why you'd be bitter to Rose.

[UMFan83]

You guys didnt notice that his comment came directly after CT's comment? Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic and mocking the previous comment.

[UMFan83]

Only on NSBB could a thread covering a team's most successful season in over a decade be filled with statistical arguing/trolling regarding the team's best player and comments about they win ugly.

 

I don't understand why people have an issue with people talking about Rose and his game.

 

The Bulls are awesome, and we all enjoy it (the Bulls fans anyways), and we all love Derrick Rose and want him to be the best player ever. Since he is our superstar, and will be our superstar for the next 10 years at least, we are going to discuss him outside of the context of the team's performance. Over the next 10 years, the Bulls will be good the Bulls might be bad, but one thing will remain constant during those years (most likely), Derrick Rose. So it makes sense that we can enjoy the Bulls season, and enjoy/complain/evaluate/discuss Rose on a separate plane. Doesn't mean that the Bulls winning isn't the most important thing.

[ctcf]

Only on NSBB could a thread covering a team's most successful season in over a decade be filled with statistical arguing/trolling regarding the team's best player and comments about they win ugly.

 

I don't understand why people have an issue with people talking about Rose and his game.

 

The Bulls are awesome, and we all enjoy it (the Bulls fans anyways), and we all love Derrick Rose and want him to be the best player ever. Since he is our superstar, and will be our superstar for the next 10 years at least, we are going to discuss him outside of the context of the team's performance. Over the next 10 years, the Bulls will be good the Bulls might be bad, but one thing will remain constant during those years (most likely), Derrick Rose. So it makes sense that we can enjoy the Bulls season, and enjoy/complain/evaluate/discuss Rose on a separate plane. Doesn't mean that the Bulls winning isn't the most important thing.

 

I have no problem with legitimate criticisms of Rose (plenty of which have been made here). I'm not here trying to say that no one should say negative things about the guy. What I personally find annoying is how that stuff makes up what feels like the last 10-20 pages of this thread.