2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[SpongeWorthy]

Compare Rose's 3 pointer percentages and volumes to Wade, Lebron, and Kobe. They're pretty damn similar.

 

now compare their field goal percentages. also, rose is taking more three's than any of those guys.

 

Yeah, Kobe actually has running mates that can stay on the floor. Lebron has Wade and Bosh. When it was just Lebron in Cleveland he'd be jacking up 5+ threes a game consistently.

 

So if you want to compare us to the Cleveland teams of the last few years...I can entertain that. Lesser star player but a better coach. But I didn't expect the Bulls to be legit contenders this quickly. When the Bulls have a 2 guard and health out of the front line Rose will be more of a lead PG than the guy that has to do everything to generate a decent look.

[17 Seconds]

i can't believe how pissy people get when you point out obvious weaknesses/concerns with rose. jesus.

Oh, please, that's not what you're doing.

 

You chime in after every bad shooting game saying he has no business even trying to shoot 3's, and are completely silent when he has a good game.

 

not true at all. and btw, he goes like 8-21 almost every game now, sooooooo

You act as if he's killing the team with his shot selection

 

why do you keep making things up? i NEVER say anything like that. i mention is because im concerned about the playoffs when our star is shooting below 44%.

 

again, people get ridiculously butt hurt when you say ANYTHING that issn't complimentary about rose. now suddenly i'm trashing rose and saying he's hurting the team? ok. awesome.

[SpongeWorthy]

Did you not understand the part about threes not existing in a vacuum dex

 

Rose passes up an open look behind the 3 point line. Ok fine, but THE PLAY DOESNT END THERE. He either passes it to his far, far less talented teammates or drives into defense that wants him to drive. These alternatives are not necessarily better than him taking a high volume of threes. Obviously he can't go 0-5 every game (and he doesn't).

[17 Seconds]

Compare Rose's 3 pointer percentages and volumes to Wade, Lebron, and Kobe. They're pretty damn similar.

 

now compare their field goal percentages. also, rose is taking more three's than any of those guys.

 

Yeah, Kobe actually has running mates that can stay on the floor. Lebron has Wade and Bosh. When it was just Lebron in Cleveland he'd be jacking up 5+ threes a game consistently.

 

wasn't any smarter then. also, he was shooting like 50% from the field when he was with cleveland despite the 3's.

 

are you okay with rose taking 5 threes a game when the playoffs start?

[17 Seconds]

Did you not understand the part about threes not existing in a vacuum dex

 

Rose passes up an open look behind the 3 point line. Ok fine, but THE PLAY DOESNT END THERE. He either passes it to his far, far less talented teammates or drives into defense that wants him to drive. These alternatives are not necessarily better than him taking a high volume of threes. Obviously he can't go 0-5 every game (and he doesn't).

 

when you're missing the threes over and over and over, yes.... they are better options.

 

your whole argument is that it's okay that he's taking shots that he's proven he can't hit consistently.... because the other options aren't good either.

 

that's a weak argument to me. "yea, might as well keep taking threes that you won't make.... everyone else sucks anyways. championship!"

Edited March 18, 2011 by 17 Seconds

[SpongeWorthy]

If he's making them at a decent clip, no.

 

I'm more concerned about smart, veteran defensive teams that'll trap him outside the line. And then our complete lack of a 2nd ball handler is exposed.

[SpongeWorthy]

Did you not understand the part about threes not existing in a vacuum dex

 

Rose passes up an open look behind the 3 point line. Ok fine, but THE PLAY DOESNT END THERE. He either passes it to his far, far less talented teammates or drives into defense that wants him to drive. These alternatives are not necessarily better than him taking a high volume of threes. Obviously he can't go 0-5 every game (and he doesn't).

 

when you're missing the threes over and over and over, yes.... they are better options.

 

your whole argument is that it's okay that he's taking shots that he's proven he can't hit consistently.... because the other options aren't good either.

 

that's a weak argument to me. "yea, might as well keep taking threes that you won't make.... everyone else sucks anyways. championship!"

 

Yeah, asking someone like Taj Gibson or Keith Bogans to generate offense with any sort of regularity is a worse option than Rose taking an open three. He doesn't actually go 0-5 every game.

[17 Seconds]

how about rose pulling up and taking a 2 inside the line....something he was actually getting good at before he stopped doing it this season in favor of the 3.

 

i mean, why do you think teams are giving him the 3? because he isn't making them.

[imb]

i don't read hollinger

 

and you don't "need" to take the open 3 if you are kissing them over and over and over.

 

rose shot well from three for like.... 2 months? he sucked his first 2 years, and he sucks this year. i think he's forcing it to be part of his game even though it's hurting him.

 

I literally haven't seen him force it at all.

 

Seriously, any #1 perimeter scorer worth his salt takes those shots. All of them.

 

And, you know, make them.

 

3 months of shooting like Russell Westbrook from 3. I'd be beside myself if Westbrook was taking 5 threes a game.

 

If rose's strength is the ability to beat his man off the dribble whenever he wants, why is he chucking 5 iversons a game?

Edited March 18, 2011 by Bunts Lick Butts

[SpongeWorthy]

Zero doubt in my mind that if Rose continues to get the quality of looks he's been getting his percentage will tick back up. And once he starts hitting them at a decent clip it'll open up the rest of his game. Maybe it won't happen this year but just about everything else about this team seems ahead of schedule.

[SpongeWorthy]

i don't read hollinger

 

and you don't "need" to take the open 3 if you are kissing them over and over and over.

 

rose shot well from three for like.... 2 months? he sucked his first 2 years, and he sucks this year. i think he's forcing it to be part of his game even though it's hurting him.

 

I literally haven't seen him force it at all.

 

Seriously, any #1 perimeter scorer worth his salt takes those shots. All of them.

 

And, you know, make them.

 

3 months of shooting like Russell Westbrook from 3. I'd be beside myself if Westbrook was taking 5 threes a game.

 

If rose's strength is the ability to beat his man off the dribble whenever he wants, why is he chucking 5 iversons a game?

 

Couple things...

 

Westbrook is the 2nd best player on a team that isn't as good as the Bulls. Let's not create dumb analogies.

 

Iverson isn't a pejorative. Look at the absolute pu pu platter of crap he took to the playoffs years after year. He HAD to shoot for that team to have any chance of winning games. The guy was an incredible basketball player.

[imb]

None of that has anything to do with the fact that rose is shooting like 30% from three for three months. I'm not following your point.

[17 Seconds]

it's okay to miss them as long as youre open

 

we need to start utilizing noah from three more often. teams just GIVE him that wide open three constantly.

[SpongeWorthy]

If Westbrook were in a position where he was consistently shooting 5 3s a game his team would be a laughingstock. As it is, Rose is shooting 5 threes a game on a team that is rolling.

 

And seriously, look at some of the old Sixers teams that Iverson played and be astonished that they played as well as they did.

[imb]

Pretty much. He's open for the same reason Westbrook is open, no one's afraid of him making on.

[SpongeWorthy]

it's okay to miss them as long as youre open

 

we need to start utilizing noah from three more often. teams just GIVE him that wide open three constantly.

 

You're the Laker fan in 2006 who is complaining that Kobe isn't giving the ball to Kwame Brown and Smush Parker enough.

[ConstableRabbit]

There's nothing wrong with dribble driving and getting fouled, either. He's getting the calls -- why not work on wide-open FTs?

[imb]

If Westbrook were in a position where he was consistently shooting 5 3s a game his team would be a laughingstock. As it is, Rose is shooting 5 threes a game on a team that is rolling.

 

And seriously, look at some of the old Sixers teams that Iverson played and be astonished that they played as well as they did.

 

I just mean iverson in the way that he constantly took shots that no one in the arena was afraid of him making.

[17 Seconds]

There's nothing wrong with dribble driving and getting fouled, either. He's getting the calls -- why not work on wide-open FTs?

 

or going back to his mid-range game... which was getting better and better

[SpongeWorthy]

There's nothing wrong with dribble driving and getting fouled, either. He's getting the calls -- why not work on wide-open FTs?

 

You don't get fouled by guys playing under neath every screen or sagging off in isolation. You get fouled by guys you beat to a spot. Hard to beat a guy to a spot when he has a five foot head start.

[17 Seconds]

There's nothing wrong with dribble driving and getting fouled, either. He's getting the calls -- why not work on wide-open FTs?

 

You don't get fouled by guys playing under neath every screen or sagging off in isolation. You get fouled by guys you beat to a spot. Hard to beat a guy to a spot when he has a five foot head start.

 

ok so then take a quick couple steps and pull up for a poorly contested mid-range shot. something he can actually do.

[SpongeWorthy]

If Westbrook were in a position where he was consistently shooting 5 3s a game his team would be a laughingstock. As it is, Rose is shooting 5 threes a game on a team that is rolling.

 

And seriously, look at some of the old Sixers teams that Iverson played and be astonished that they played as well as they did.

 

I just mean iverson in the way that he constantly took shots that no one in the arena was afraid of him making.

 

No one was afraid of Aaron McKie or Eric Snow hurting them offensively either. The fact that Iverson took this team: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHI/2001.html to the NBA Finals is absolutely mind blowing.

[17 Seconds]

haha matt geiger

[imb]

Well I get what your saying, but excusing rose's quickly dwindling shot percentage by saying that Eric snow was a bad shooter is meaningless.

[imb]

For 3 months, Derrick rose has been monta Ellis with a good coach and teammates that play defense.