2011 managerial speculation

[jersey cubs fan]

how would people feel about girardi to the cubs as coach and sandberg being his bench coach?

 

btw, good to see bob dernier become 1st base coach the other day. he's a friend of my brother and he has had always good things to say about dernier.

 

I don't think that would ever happen. I think Sandberg will leave the Cubs if he doesn't get the job, especially if the new manager is young.

 

Sandberg sounds like he will take any path to a major league managerial position he can. If no one offers one this offseason and he feels that being a bench coach will get him faster to that goal, then he would take the job.

 

He sounds to me like its manager or bust this season. He talked about being a AAA manager being higher up than a MLB bench coach. He's getting himself thrown out of games left and right and generally trying not to be the quiet nice guy he was as a player. I get the feeling he'd spurn the Cubs if they offered a bench coach spot but accept one elsewhere just to show he's serious.

[jersey cubs fan]

Is there much history of two publicized managerial candidates for the same job working together as manager/bench coach?

[daske17]

Is there much history of two publicized managerial candidates for the same job working together as manager/bench coach?

 

Do you mean like current manager and heir apparent in the same dugout?

 

If so, I'd say Torre/Girardi and Torre/Mattingley that I can think of off the top of my head.

[BeerHere]

I think Hendry will pick Ryno. Not because he is the best candidate, but because he wants whatever PR points it will net him. My new order of preference:

1. Gonzalez (also willing to bet he goes to Atl)

2. Girardi

3. Torre

4. me

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19837. Ryno

[jersey cubs fan]

Is there much history of two publicized managerial candidates for the same job working together as manager/bench coach?

 

Do you mean like current manager and heir apparent in the same dugout?

 

If so, I'd say Torre/Girardi and Torre/Mattingley that I can think of off the top of my head.

 

No, I mean two candidates for the same job, Girardi/Sandberg, ending up as manager/bench coach. Girardi played under and then coached under an established Torre.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is there much history of two publicized managerial candidates for the same job working together as manager/bench coach?

 

Do you mean like current manager and heir apparent in the same dugout?

 

If so, I'd say Torre/Girardi and Torre/Mattingley that I can think of off the top of my head.

 

No, I mean two candidates for the same job, Girardi/Sandberg, ending up as manager/bench coach. Girardi played under and then coached under an established Torre.

 

I want to say some team wound up with like 3 of their top candidates all on the coaching staff, but I'm drawing a blank as to who.

 

ETA: Brewers maybe? They have Macha, Randolph and Sveum all in the dugout.

[cl smooth]

how would people feel about girardi to the cubs as coach and sandberg being his bench coach?

 

btw, good to see bob dernier become 1st base coach the other day. he's a friend of my brother and he has had always good things to say about dernier.

 

I don't think that would ever happen. I think Sandberg will leave the Cubs if he doesn't get the job, especially if the new manager is young.

 

Sandberg sounds like he will take any path to a major league managerial position he can. If no one offers one this offseason and he feels that being a bench coach will get him faster to that goal, then he would take the job.

 

He sounds to me like its manager or bust this season. He talked about being a AAA manager being higher up than a MLB bench coach. He's getting himself thrown out of games left and right and generally trying not to be the quiet nice guy he was as a player. I get the feeling he'd spurn the Cubs if they offered a bench coach spot but accept one elsewhere just to show he's serious.

 

outside of the cubs and braves, who else will have a manager's seat open? how many of the interim managers right now will or will not be back with their respective teams?

[fromthestretch]

Maybe Dusty Baker hasn't accepted that extension from the Reds yet because he's waiting to see if he's being considered for the Cubs' job. :stickman:

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Cubs interviewed Eric Wedge today for their open manager's job, reports Bruce Levine of ESPNChicago.com. Levine mentions that Fredi Gonzalez, Pat Listach and Ryne Sandberg are all slated for interviews, and Chicago GM Jim Hendry wants a new manager hired before the team's November organizational meetings.

 

I never really follwed the Indians, so I dont know what kind of manager Wedge was, but he did have some success. However, Freddi is still my top choice, but Wedge is an interesting option that hadnt been brought up.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

I never thought of Wedge either, and honestly I think I would be mildly happy about him. I agree with wanting Fredi, but I do not believe that will happen. If Quade keeps winning it may not matter.

[champaignchris]

Weren't the '06 and '08 Indians that he managed two of the more under-performing clubs in recent memory when compared to preseason expectations?

[seanimal]

Weren't the '06 and '08 Indians that he managed two of the more under-performing clubs in recent memory when compared to preseason expectations?

 

those expectations were probably unrealistic. they had the white sox by the balls in '05 but they blew it. the failure to put any substantial offense around their core of sizemore, vmart, and pronk is what did them in, in addition to the latter's rather rapid decline. i mean, yeah, pronk had old man skills, but so does south side paulie. throw in some bullpen woes and the need to trade off players coming into their contract years and you have an issue staying competitive.

[seanimal]

but yeah wedge is underwhelming for a fanbase hungry to chew up and spit out the next big name, but if the word on the street is true about the next manager needing to be versed in player development aided by quantitative evaluation, well, wedge would fit that bill. we could do a lot worse.

[A New Era]

With the orginazation saying they aren't going for any "big names", wouldn't Girardi be considered "big name" at this point since he got the "big job" with the yankees?

 

I think we can forget about Girardi.

[J.R.]

One of the baseball minds Ricketts respects most belongs to Bill James, the father of sabermetrics. If James weren't already employed as a Red Sox senior adviser, I wonder if he would have been offered a Wrigleyville office by now.

 

Consider how attractive that makes a thinking-man's manager such as Girardi, a graduate of Northwestern's engineering school, to a new regime trying to integrate old-school instinct with innovation. Girardi relies on data in a trusty binder so much that he's often accused of over-managing, such as in last season's American League Championship Series when he inserted a pinch runner for Alex Rodriguez to "get an extra step.''

 

My sense is Girardi and Ricketts speak the same baseball language, which only makes a potential pairing more enticing.

 

This is not to disparage Sandberg, whose minor-league ascension deserves respect. But does Sandberg embrace sabermetrics the way I suspect the next Cubs manager will be encouraged? That's an unknown for a team that can't afford any.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0827-haugh-cubs-joe-girardi-ch20100826,0,6410804.column

[fiver]

I'm enjoying the recent articles that paint a picture of ricketts being a proponent of sabermetrics. However, his actions contradict this. Hendry is still supposedly going to be a part of the equation. Wouldn't it be more important to have a GM who is sabermetrically inclined since the GM makes the personnel decisions?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm enjoying the recent articles that paint a picture of ricketts being a proponent of sabermetrics. However, his actions contradict this. Hendry is still supposedly going to be a part of the equation. Wouldn't it be more important to have a GM who is sabermetrically inclined since the GM makes the personnel decisions?

 

Yes. You don't need freaking managers inserting pinch runners for Hall of Fame hitters to get an extra step. You need a GM to get the right players and a manager to get the hell out of the way.

[NCCubFan]

With the orginazation saying they aren't going for any "big names", wouldn't Girardi be considered "big name" at this point since he got the "big job" with the yankees?

 

I think we can forget about Girardi.

I interpreted those comments as meaning that the Cubs wouldn't hire a manager just because he has a big name. I don't think they'd refuse to hire a qualified manager who just happens to have a big name, though. I wouldn't rule out Girardi.

[soapy]

I'm enjoying the recent articles that paint a picture of ricketts being a proponent of sabermetrics. However, his actions contradict this. Hendry is still supposedly going to be a part of the equation. Wouldn't it be more important to have a GM who is sabermetrically inclined since the GM makes the personnel decisions?

 

Yes. You don't need freaking managers inserting pinch runners for Hall of Fame hitters to get an extra step. You need a GM to get the right players and a manager to get the hell out of the way.

 

This is dead on. Besides, I've never seen Girardi as a sabr-leaning guy, but maybe I'm just not paying attention.

[MSG T]

I'm enjoying the recent articles that paint a picture of ricketts being a proponent of sabermetrics. However, his actions contradict this. Hendry is still supposedly going to be a part of the equation. Wouldn't it be more important to have a GM who is sabermetrically inclined since the GM makes the personnel decisions?

 

Yes. You don't need freaking managers inserting pinch runners for Hall of Fame hitters to get an extra step.

 

I saw that and immediately thought, "how does that make him sabermetrically inclined?". Wouldn't that be anti-sabermetric? That looks like going with a gut instinct to me. Just because Girardi keeps binders of stats doesn't mean he's using saber stats. They could be filled with useless crap that looks good when talking about scouting. Especially when he does things like pinch run for a great hitter to get an extra step.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think I would happy with Wedge mainly because he's not Sandberg.

[Soul]

Maybe just go with any guy for the next couple years, let him be chewed up & spit out, and THEN go for the real manager who can take over the real team ready to make the real push.

 

Eric Wedge, come on down!!

[C.C.]

So Fredi is Hendry's number 1 choice. I love it, but I don't see him not taking the Braves job.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/2660360,CST-SPT-cub01.article

 

Gonzalez, 46, has a strong relationship with Hendry that goes back three decades and included time together in the Marlins organization.

 

'I don't have anything I can tell you,'' he said, ''except Jim and I go back to my high school days. He coached one of the opposing teams when I played. And we worked together with the Marlins.''

 

Here's hoping that friendship pays off.

[SouthSideRyan]

FREDI FREDI FREDI

[ScrubMD]

Compromise: Sandberg acts as ceremonial king to Fredi's Prime Minister.