A-Ram to the Braves?

[d_money]

They need a 3rd baseman now that Chipper is out. Do they go after A-Ram?

[erik316wttn]

They need a 3rd baseman now that Chipper is out. Do they go after A-Ram?

 

if the Cubs put him on waivers, I don't think he'd fall that far.

[Rob]

They need a 3rd baseman now that Chipper is out. Do they go after A-Ram?

 

if the Cubs put him on waivers, I don't think he'd fall that far.

 

He absolutely would pass through waivers. Name one team (non Yankees division) that probably has enough room to add Aramis's contract without first finding a way to shed payroll?

[davell]

Aramis' 2012 option of 16 mill becomes guaranteed if he's dealt. I know the Braves are in desperation mode right now, but my guess is they have some ideas to solve their issue before going this route.

[sweetpeteman]

They need a 3rd baseman now that Chipper is out. Do they go after A-Ram?

 

if the Cubs put him on waivers, I don't think he'd fall that far.

 

He absolutely would pass through waivers. Name one team (non Yankees division) that probably has enough room to add Aramis's contract without first finding a way to shed payroll?

 

Red Sox?

[A New Era]

The Cubs situation (with some of the large contracts) you just Keep Aram hope he has a good year next year. Let him play out his contract and hope he contributes. I just don't see much chance moving him this year.

[Banedon]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

[Guest]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Because he looked awful in April and people haven't been paying attention since then?

[Banedon]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Because he looked awful in April and people haven't been paying attention since then?

 

He was pretty awful in May too, but yeah...

 

He was a stud in July.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Because he looked awful in April and people haven't been paying attention since then?

 

He was pretty awful in May too, but yeah...

 

He was a stud in July.

 

And that didn't even last all of July. He's back to a 770 OPS the past 28 days. He sucked in April and May and his overall numbers are terrible. If everybody is talking about what a waste 2011 will be, why not see if you can get something for him this offseason, or at least shed the payroll? Hendry wouldn't because he's desperate for an 84 win team to save his job, but if you can't contend in 2011 there's no good reason not to let Ramirez walk. He's not a fan favorite (although he's been my favorite player this decade), he does not put butts in seats. Lots of people actually resent him. I doubt you'd get much fan backlash and it would free up a considerable amount of money.

[UMFan83]

You don't think Ramirez is a fan favorite and people resent him?

 

That's not been my experience at Cubs games. I can't remember ever hearing Ramirez get booed at a Cubs game and I can remember a lot of other Cubs like Lee, Zambrano, Marmol, Fukudome, Soriano, Wood, etc. booed. Just because I didn't hear it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. And admittedly, I've only been to 1 game this season (but between 10-15 every other season since 2004). I'm just saying other than a couple of idiots on sports radio and an occasional poster here, I don't hear much negativity about Ramirez. I'm not saying he's beloved but I think he's up there in the hierarchy of active Cubs players who are liked.

[jersey cubs fan]

You don't think Ramirez is a fan favorite and people resent him?

 

That's not been my experience at Cubs games. I can't remember ever hearing Ramirez get booed at a Cubs game and I can remember a lot of other Cubs like Lee, Zambrano, Marmol, Fukudome, Soriano, Wood, etc. booed. Just because I didn't hear it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. And admittedly, I've only been to 1 game this season (but between 10-15 every other season since 2004). I'm just saying other than a couple of idiots on sports radio and an occasional poster here, I don't hear much negativity about Ramirez. I'm not saying he's beloved but I think he's up there in the hierarchy of active Cubs players who are liked.

 

My impression is that the overall sentiment is indifference. People blamed him for not showing up when Lee got hurt, for poor hitting in the most recent playoffs. I don't feel like there's a lot of passion in support of him.

[bannor10]

If Chipper retires would the Braves owe him his 2011 contract? I assume he is under contract and is probably making close to the same money as Aram....Aram has been the best 3rdbaseman I have seen the cubs have...It would be hard to replace him...Vitters probably won't be ready for 2 years and won't be major league produtive for 3 to 4... Still, Lee Aram Sori have been disappointing and have not lived up to their past...

[lumafia]

The Braves aren't dumb enough to trade for Ramirez. However, I could see them moving Glaus to 3B and trading for a 1B. It really would be an ideal situation for Lee, the Cubs and the Braves, if he would allow it. Glaus isn't much worse than Chipper at 3B defensively. Offensively, Chipper had been on fire for about 2 weeks, but during the month of July, Lee was better.

[davearm2]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Nothing against Ramirez specifically, but after this season and last, I'm ready for a radically different Cubs team.

 

I like Ramirez, Z, Lee, etc. but it's time for a new direction. Out with the old, in with the new -- manager, GM, and core group of players.

[Sammy Sofa]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Nothing against Ramirez specifically, but after this season and last, I'm ready for a radically different Cubs team.

 

I like Ramirez, Z, Lee, etc. but it's time for a new direction. Out with the old, in with the new -- manager, GM, and core group of players.

 

You don't do it to the point that you're going out of your way to hurt the team. It would be one thing if the Cubs already had candidates who could passably play 3B for a full season (unless DeWitt makes a jump power-wise, no, he doens't count) or had ANY prospects near being ready who could take over at 3B or if there were decent candidates out there as FA who the Cubs could get to replace Aramis...but there isn't. They'd be dumping him simply to dump and more than likely having to pay a big chunk of his remaining years to do so.

[BigbadB1679666149]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Nothing against Ramirez specifically, but after this season and last, I'm ready for a radically different Cubs team.

 

I like Ramirez, Z, Lee, etc. but it's time for a new direction. Out with the old, in with the new -- manager, GM, and core group of players.

 

While I'm in total agreement on a new direction with new management and a core group of players, I don't see a reason to do anything with Ramirez. No team will want to give up much for him if 2012 vests at 16m. He's coming off a rough season. That's also ignoring he can still block any trade he wants to. I think the team would be better off showing support and not putting him on the market. Maybe he comes into 2012 better prepared and wanting to impress under new management. It is a free agent year, afterall.

[utkcub]

They're going to take Figgins from the Mariners

[Post Count Padder]

I thought this was an actual rumor

[davearm2]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Nothing against Ramirez specifically, but after this season and last, I'm ready for a radically different Cubs team.

 

I like Ramirez, Z, Lee, etc. but it's time for a new direction. Out with the old, in with the new -- manager, GM, and core group of players.

 

While I'm in total agreement on a new direction with new management and a core group of players, I don't see a reason to do anything with Ramirez. No team will want to give up much for him if 2012 vests at 16m. He's coming off a rough season. That's also ignoring he can still block any trade he wants to. I think the team would be better off showing support and not putting him on the market. Maybe he comes into 2012 better prepared and wanting to impress under new management. It is a free agent year, afterall.

You are correct that the guy has virtually no trade value due to the 2012 vesting clause. The tide has turned in baseball such that $16M has become an enormous burden again.

 

Ideally, Ramirez would opt out of his deal this fall, and the Cubs would then say thank you and good luck. Short of that I guess you just let him play it out next year and then move on.

[mul21]

The Braves aren't dumb enough to trade for Ramirez. However, I could see them moving Glaus to 3B and trading for a 1B. It really would be an ideal situation for Lee, the Cubs and the Braves, if he would allow it. Glaus isn't much worse than Chipper at 3B defensively. Offensively, Chipper had been on fire for about 2 weeks, but during the month of July, Lee was better.

 

Glaus is much worse than Chipper when you take into account the fact he probably can't make most of the throws from 3B any more. His shoulder is trashed and just not strong enough to play 3rd, for sure right now and probably ever.

[Outshined_One]

Phil Rogers floated this idea in his latest column.

 

Had Jones been hurt a couple weeks earlier, Wren could have tried to trade for Aramis Ramirez, Miguel Tejada, Jorge Cantu or another replacement. The Cubs still might be able to slide Ramirez through waivers, but Wren says he's considering mostly internal options for the stretch run, with more playing time for Omar Infante the first alternative. Brooks Conrad and Eric Hinske also could get some starts.

[Guest]

Phil Rogers floated this idea in his latest column.

 

Had Jones been hurt a couple weeks earlier, Wren could have tried to trade for Aramis Ramirez, Miguel Tejada, Jorge Cantu or another replacement. The Cubs still might be able to slide Ramirez through waivers, but Wren says he's considering mostly internal options for the stretch run, with more playing time for Omar Infante the first alternative. Brooks Conrad and Eric Hinske also could get some starts.

Rogers is such an idiot.

[Tarver]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Nothing against Ramirez specifically, but after this season and last, I'm ready for a radically different Cubs team.

 

I like Ramirez, Z, Lee, etc. but it's time for a new direction. Out with the old, in with the new -- manager, GM, and core group of players.

 

While I'm in total agreement on a new direction with new management and a core group of players, I don't see a reason to do anything with Ramirez. No team will want to give up much for him if 2012 vests at 16m. He's coming off a rough season. That's also ignoring he can still block any trade he wants to. I think the team would be better off showing support and not putting him on the market. Maybe he comes into 2012 better prepared and wanting to impress under new management. It is a free agent year, afterall.

You are correct that the guy has virtually no trade value due to the 2012 vesting clause. The tide has turned in baseball such that $16M has become an enormous burden again.

 

Ideally, Ramirez would opt out of his deal this fall, and the Cubs would then say thank you and good luck. Short of that I guess you just let him play it out next year and then move on.

 

Or ideally we find a spot to keep him and his bat healthy.

 

Aram can't stay healthy at 3rd, put him at 1st, grab Beltre or see if Znik in Seattle will give away Figgins + $. If we're keeping Hendry let's at least see if he can strike gold twice.

[Guest]

Why are we trying to trade Ramirez?

Nothing against Ramirez specifically, but after this season and last, I'm ready for a radically different Cubs team.

 

I like Ramirez, Z, Lee, etc. but it's time for a new direction. Out with the old, in with the new -- manager, GM, and core group of players.

 

While I'm in total agreement on a new direction with new management and a core group of players, I don't see a reason to do anything with Ramirez. No team will want to give up much for him if 2012 vests at 16m. He's coming off a rough season. That's also ignoring he can still block any trade he wants to. I think the team would be better off showing support and not putting him on the market. Maybe he comes into 2012 better prepared and wanting to impress under new management. It is a free agent year, afterall.

You are correct that the guy has virtually no trade value due to the 2012 vesting clause. The tide has turned in baseball such that $16M has become an enormous burden again.

 

Ideally, Ramirez would opt out of his deal this fall, and the Cubs would then say thank you and good luck. Short of that I guess you just let him play it out next year and then move on.

 

Or ideally we find a spot to keep him and his bat healthy.

 

Aram can't stay healthy at 3rd, put him at 1st, grab Beltre or see if Znik in Seattle will give away Figgins + $. If we're keeping Hendry let's at least see if he can strike gold twice.

1) Aramis provides good offense at 3B (normally), but his bat wouldn't be special at all at 1B.

 

2) Given the nature of his injuries, I don't think playing 1B would help him stay any healthier.

 

3) Silva gold

 

4) Figgins gold, either