Bears 2010 preseason thread

[Banedon]

I heard Hub Arkush mention this, but I never posted it. He said the Bears would have been better off with Aaron Kampman and Antron Rolle for the money that they spent on Peppers. Maybe they could have kept Alex Brown too. Does anyone know if the money the Bears spent on Peppers is more than what would have been spent on Kampman, Rolle, and Brown (assuming the Bears paid what those guys are getting this year)?

 

i know that arkush hates the bears and whatever they do is the wrong thing.

 

Arkush is awful. He's so clearly bitter at the Bears, and he doesn't even attempt to hide it.

[rawaction]

I heard Hub Arkush mention this, but I never posted it. He said the Bears would have been better off with Aaron Kampman and Antron Rolle for the money that they spent on Peppers. Maybe they could have kept Alex Brown too. Does anyone know if the money the Bears spent on Peppers is more than what would have been spent on Kampman, Rolle, and Brown (assuming the Bears paid what those guys are getting this year)?

 

Kampman- 4 years, 24 Mil, 11 Mil guaranteed

A Rolle- 5 years, 37 Mil, 15 Mil guaranteed

A Brown- 2 years, 10 Mil, 0 guaranteed

 

Peppers- 6 years, 91.5 Mil, 42 Mil guaranteed

 

So, yes the Bears conceivably could have had all 3 players for cheaper than Peppers. The problem was Kampman and Rolle would have had to have wanted to sign with the Bears. All indications were that Rolle was discussed, but chose to go to NY. Also, that would have likely meant no Chester Taylor, who could prove to be a must-have if he motivates Forte, saves Forte from all the wear and tear from his first 2 years, and produces.

[apete6]

I heard Hub Arkush mention this, but I never posted it. He said the Bears would have been better off with Aaron Kampman and Antron Rolle for the money that they spent on Peppers. Maybe they could have kept Alex Brown too. Does anyone know if the money the Bears spent on Peppers is more than what would have been spent on Kampman, Rolle, and Brown (assuming the Bears paid what those guys are getting this year)?

 

Kampman- 4 years, 24 Mil, 11 Mil guaranteed

A Rolle- 5 years, 37 Mil, 15 Mil guaranteed

A Brown- 2 years, 10 Mil, 0 guaranteed

 

Peppers- 6 years, 91.5 Mil, 42 Mil guaranteed

 

So, yes the Bears conceivably could have had all 3 players for cheaper than Peppers. The problem was Kampman and Rolle would have had to have wanted to sign with the Bears. All indications were that Rolle was discussed, but chose to go to NY. Also, that would have likely meant no Chester Taylor, who could prove to be a must-have if he motivates Forte, saves Forte from all the wear and tear from his first 2 years, and produces.

 

Hub is 100% right. Peppers is a great player, but if you have a chance to fill 3 roles instead of 1 on a team that, frankly, isn't very close to the Super Bowl, you do it. Brown + Kampman would be better (and cheaper) than Peppers. Add in Rolle who is about 500x better than all safeties on the Bears and you have a winner. Also, who says they couldn't have afforded Taylor? The guaranteed money would still be less than Peppers.

 

That being said, the Bears structured the contract beautifully and have a chance to cut bait with Peppers if he underachieves, which he almost certainly will. There's a reason that there weren't too many teams interested in Peppers in the offseason. He's great, but overrated and those Carolina teams had some pretty decent overall d-lines when he was there, not the pupu platter of Mark Anderson, a broken down Tommie Harris and Marcus Harrison.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Again, you still have to assume those players actually wanted to sign with the Bears.

[SpongeWorthy]

People talk about how great those Cardinals safeties were last year and then they couldn't stop anyone's passing game.

 

Kampman would've been nice to get though. At least he's not on the Packers any more.

[apete6]

Again, you still have to assume those players actually wanted to sign with the Bears.

 

Agreed, but maybe a few more $$$ to each contract could convince them.

[UMFan83]

Again, you still have to assume those players actually wanted to sign with the Bears.

 

Right, as much as we criticize the Bears management, you'd have to assume that they did their due dilligence in investigating every possibility of the FA process and determined through whatever means necessary how feasible every plan was. What resulted was they determined that the Peppers/Taylor/TE dude was the best scenario in terms of impact and feasibility and went hard after it.

 

That said, it's possible they could have felt those 3 minus Brown would somehow be better than Kampman, Rolle, Brown. They probably figured it was very important to get a quality RB to compliment Forte and a strong blocking TE for Martz's offense.

[hawkeyecub]

Rolle is overrated.

[Wilson A2000]

I heard Hub Arkush mention this, but I never posted it. He said the Bears would have been better off with Aaron Kampman and Antron Rolle for the money that they spent on Peppers. Maybe they could have kept Alex Brown too. Does anyone know if the money the Bears spent on Peppers is more than what would have been spent on Kampman, Rolle, and Brown (assuming the Bears paid what those guys are getting this year)?

 

i know that arkush hates the bears and whatever they do is the wrong thing.

 

Arkush is awful. He's so clearly bitter at the Bears, and he doesn't even attempt to hide it.

 

I really don't think he is bitter. A person can sound bitter when it is their job to talk and write and interact with a team that consistently makes poor moves. He seems pretty fair to me.

[Wilson A2000]

Add in Rolle who is about 500x better than all safeties on the Bears and you have a winner.

 

That being said, the Bears structured the contract beautifully and have a chance to cut bait with Peppers if he underachieves, which he almost certainly will.

 

Rolle isn't too much better than Chris Harris. I don't know if you can really argue that the Bears structured Peppers' contract beautifully when they weakened the other side of the defensive line by dumping Alex Brown's contract in order to pay for Peppers.

[Banedon]

I heard Hub Arkush mention this, but I never posted it. He said the Bears would have been better off with Aaron Kampman and Antron Rolle for the money that they spent on Peppers. Maybe they could have kept Alex Brown too. Does anyone know if the money the Bears spent on Peppers is more than what would have been spent on Kampman, Rolle, and Brown (assuming the Bears paid what those guys are getting this year)?

 

i know that arkush hates the bears and whatever they do is the wrong thing.

 

Arkush is awful. He's so clearly bitter at the Bears, and he doesn't even attempt to hide it.

 

I really don't think he is bitter. A person can sound bitter when it is their job to talk and write and interact with a team that consistently makes poor moves. He seems pretty fair to me.

 

There's a whole lot of local beat guys that don't sound bitter...why does he sound bitter all the time?

 

Even if you write off a Bears dislike, he's still a tool though....“let me explain this for the fans, because they don’t understand.” He's always wrong, he thinks he's always right...he's a giant moron and I can't stand listening to him.

[Butterscup1679666578]

You only need to read one Bears beat reporters work, and that's Brad Biggs. He's the man.

[Banedon]

You only need to read one Bears beat reporters work, and that's Brad Biggs. He's the man.

 

Agreed. I used to like David Haugh too, but somehow, he's gotten pretty awful in the last year or two.

[Mark Priors Calves]

You only need to read one Bears beat reporters work, and that's Brad Biggs. He's the man.

 

Agreed. I used to like David Haugh too, but somehow, he's gotten pretty awful in the last year or two.

He's not on the Bears beat any longer, he writes the "In the Wake of the News" column for Trib.

 

Seconded on the Brad Biggs love, it was a coup for the Trib to sign him away from the Sun-Times last year. His twitter feed is fantastic.

[Banedon]

I used to like David Haugh too, but somehow, he's gotten pretty awful in the last year or two.

He's not on the Bears beat any longer, he writes the "In the Wake of the News" column for Trib.

 

Yeah, I realize, but somehow that's made him Bears dumb.

[JonJayCutler]

Let's not pretend Alex Brown is that great either. He was good against the run, but obviously this team wanted to go in completely different direction with their DEs. The fact that he's only missed 1 game in his first 8 seasons but has yet to record more than 7 sacks in a single season doesn't exactly scream great pass-rusher. Like I said, he did other things well but he's not irreplaceable.

 

With that said, they should have an open-competition for the other DE spot in the preseason, as Anderson hasn't done much of anything since 2006.

 

I'm fine with the offseason of Peppers/Taylor/Manumaleuna/Harris/Jennings. Our safety depth isn't that bad. I forgot for a moment that we had Al Afalava, who I thought was impressive at times last year.

[Wilson A2000]

With that said, they should have an open-competition for the other DE spot in the preseason, as Anderson hasn't done much of anything since 2006.

 

I think they will. Lovie knows his job is on the line and he can't afford not to have an open competition. If Wooten or Idonije is better, they will play. I really don't like Anderson as an every down player. He is really only a 3rd down and medium or long DE. He is terrible against the run because of his stupid spin move that he uses constantly.

[Soul]

Not to take up the Arkush defense, but to his credit he did say the Bears are one of the more interesting teams this year -- one that coul surprise and make the playoffs.

 

It's not 100% negative with him, but you have to search a bit for the nuggets of light in the sea of darkness sometimes.

[ConstableRabbit]

Bears signed WR Zeke Markshausen.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=5447790

 

Probably too small to make much of a difference, but he sure can run a route.

[Omar]

Bears signed WR Zeke Markshausen.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=5447790

 

Probably too small to make much of a difference, but he sure can run a route.

 

I was in track and cross country and can also run routes. Wheres my 6-figure contract?

[rawaction]

With that said, they should have an open-competition for the other DE spot in the preseason, as Anderson hasn't done much of anything since 2006.

 

I think they will. Lovie knows his job is on the line and he can't afford not to have an open competition. If Wooten or Idonije is better, they will play. I really don't like Anderson as an every down player. He is really only a 3rd down and medium or long DE. He is terrible against the run because of his stupid spin move that he uses constantly.

 

I thought Anderson was pretty solid the last 4 games last year. I think he started the last 2 for Ogunleye. I don't have a problem with him as an every down DE if necessary. Peppers is really good vs. the run and if necessary, you can have Urlacher cheat over there and line one of the safeties up on that side of the field. Plus, you still have the SLB there also.

[jersey cubs fan]

I always find it weird when a team releases a guy they just signed. Wonder what led to the Teal move.

[Jon]

I always find it weird when a team releases a guy they just signed. Wonder what led to the Teal move.

He injured his hamstring a week ago and was apparently a week or two from being able to take snaps again.

[Soul]

He never dressed in pads for either Thursday or Friday's practice. Since he was the 4th QB, I'm assuming that Teel's injury prevented him from getting enough reps for the Bears to feel like he had any sort of chance to catch on. So they went in a different direction (Markshausen).

 

That's just assumption though. I didn't even realize Teel was injured until I read a brief blurb on it today.

[jersey cubs fan]

I didn't even think he would be taking any snaps. I figured he'd be more of a longterm project players, in which case missing a week doesn't really matter.