Castro eventually to 3rd?

[d_money]

With him showing some decent power already at 20 and knowing he'll put on some more weight/muscle in the coming years, is moving Castro to 3rd in 2-3 years a legitimate option?

 

With Lee (the SS Korean kid) supposedly better/raw skills than Castro, he might eventually be a better option for SS.

 

Vitters is no guarantee for 3rd (and I realize neither is Lee for SS).

[Sammy Sofa]

The most commonly proposed scenario is Castro at 2nd and Lee at SS.

[Guest]

If Lee does reach the big leagues and bumps Castro of short, it would be much more likely that Starlin moves to second base. I don't his bat will ever play at third.

 

Ryan Flaherty or Junior Lake are the most likely minor leaguers to plug in at third if Vitters doesn't make it and one of them do instead. But right now I don't think either's power is that good for third - just better than Starlin's.

[Butterscup1679666578]

What's the estimated time frame for Lee to make the majors?

[Guest]

Fast track: Called up early 2013 like Castro this year.

 

More likely: September 2013 call up and competing for a 2014 roster spot.

[radarluv1]

what will castro (likely) be earning in 2013 and 2014? just seems like a waste to have him play 2nd. trade him for a need if Lee is producing as expected.

[Rob]

Fast track: Called up early 2013 like Castro this year.

 

More likely: September 2013 call up and competing for a 2014 roster spot.

 

I think your fast track is a bit slow.

 

Fast track would be finishing in Daytona this year. Starting off next year there, aggressively promoted to Tenn after a few weeks of success. Jump to Iowa to start 2012, big league callup whenever the need arrises.

[Guest]

Well it's already nearly August, and considering Lee hasn't been blowing away the MWL and Lake/Lemahieu/Flaherty are all at Daytona(none of whom are seemingly AA-bound by year's end), I don't think it's all that likely he gets promoted this year. So giving him 2 years and maybe another month or two to make it through 3 levels is still a pretty quick pace. Especially for someone as raw as Lee.

[StarlinOnYou]

what will castro (likely) be earning in 2013 and 2014? just seems like a waste to have him play 2nd. trade him for a need if Lee is producing as expected.

 

Your suggestion is to trade a 20 year old, playing a premium position, hitting about .310 over his first 200 ABs?

 

Because, of Lee? Lee is no where near the prospect Castro is. I understand Castro flew a bit under the radar, but the odds of him being as good are not good.

 

The more interesting road block is going to be if Ramirez resigns and Vitters bat becomes ready for the majors. What do you do? The obvious solution is to put Vitters in LF, however, Money Bags is currently roaming over there and is not likely to be moved. Move Vitters to 1B? Trade him?

[radarluv1]

what will castro (likely) be earning in 2013 and 2014? just seems like a waste to have him play 2nd. trade him for a need if Lee is producing as expected.

 

Your suggestion is to trade a 20 year old, playing a premium position, hitting about .310 over his first 200 ABs?

 

Because, of Lee? Lee is no where near the prospect Castro is. I understand Castro flew a bit under the radar, but the odds of him being as good are not good.

 

The more interesting road block is going to be if Ramirez resigns and Vitters bat becomes ready for the majors. What do you do? The obvious solution is to put Vitters in LF, however, Money Bags is currently roaming over there and is not likely to be moved. Move Vitters to 1B? Trade him?

 

Where do I say I want to trade Castro now? Young, .800 OPSing SS's are extremely valuable. If we have 2 of them at the major league level, dont just move one to 2nd. Get fair value and fill a need elsewhere.

[illiniguy]

what will castro (likely) be earning in 2013 and 2014? just seems like a waste to have him play 2nd. trade him for a need if Lee is producing as expected.

 

Your suggestion is to trade a 20 year old, playing a premium position, hitting about .310 over his first 200 ABs?

 

Because, of Lee? Lee is no where near the prospect Castro is. I understand Castro flew a bit under the radar, but the odds of him being as good are not good.

 

The more interesting road block is going to be if Ramirez resigns and Vitters bat becomes ready for the majors. What do you do? The obvious solution is to put Vitters in LF, however, Money Bags is currently roaming over there and is not likely to be moved. Move Vitters to 1B? Trade him?

 

Where do I say I want to trade Castro now? Young, .800 OPSing SS's are extremely valuable. If we have 2 of them at the major league level, dont just move one to 2nd. Get fair value and fill a need elsewhere.

I don't think that Lee ever will be an .800 OPS player.

[radarluv1]

what will castro (likely) be earning in 2013 and 2014? just seems like a waste to have him play 2nd. trade him for a need if Lee is producing as expected.

 

Your suggestion is to trade a 20 year old, playing a premium position, hitting about .310 over his first 200 ABs?

 

Because, of Lee? Lee is no where near the prospect Castro is. I understand Castro flew a bit under the radar, but the odds of him being as good are not good.

 

The more interesting road block is going to be if Ramirez resigns and Vitters bat becomes ready for the majors. What do you do? The obvious solution is to put Vitters in LF, however, Money Bags is currently roaming over there and is not likely to be moved. Move Vitters to 1B? Trade him?

 

Where do I say I want to trade Castro now? Young, .800 OPSing SS's are extremely valuable. If we have 2 of them at the major league level, dont just move one to 2nd. Get fair value and fill a need elsewhere.

I don't think that Lee ever will be an .800 OPS player.

thats true, and he's only 6 months younger than castro. we may expect something like Elvis Andrus with a little more pop?

an .800 ops at 2b is pretty average.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The average NL 2b is OPSing .724 right now.

[inari]

what will castro (likely) be earning in 2013 and 2014? just seems like a waste to have him play 2nd. trade him for a need if Lee is producing as expected.

 

Your suggestion is to trade a 20 year old, playing a premium position, hitting about .310 over his first 200 ABs?

 

Because, of Lee? Lee is no where near the prospect Castro is. I understand Castro flew a bit under the radar, but the odds of him being as good are not good.

 

The more interesting road block is going to be if Ramirez resigns and Vitters bat becomes ready for the majors. What do you do? The obvious solution is to put Vitters in LF, however, Money Bags is currently roaming over there and is not likely to be moved. Move Vitters to 1B? Trade him?

 

Where do I say I want to trade Castro now? Young, .800 OPSing SS's are extremely valuable. If we have 2 of them at the major league level, dont just move one to 2nd. Get fair value and fill a need elsewhere.

I don't think that Lee ever will be an .800 OPS player.

thats true, and he's only 6 months younger than castro. we may expect something like Elvis Andrus with a little more pop?

an .800 ops at 2b is pretty average.

 

In what universe is that average production for a 2B?

[radarluv1]

.800 ops would be 10th in baseball right now, 12th last year. so average is the wrong word, but its not real special.

[dew1679666265]

The more interesting road block is going to be if Ramirez resigns and Vitters bat becomes ready for the majors. What do you do? The obvious solution is to put Vitters in LF, however, Money Bags is currently roaming over there and is not likely to be moved. Move Vitters to 1B? Trade him?

 

When Vitters is ready, he'll take over third. I don't really see much of a realistic scenario where either Lee or Starlin are a regular third baseman. As has been mentioned, just not enough power potential.

 

If everybody pans out, the likely 2014 infield is Vitters (3B), HJ Lee (SS), Starlin (2B), ? (1B).

[hawkeyecub]

Honestly I haven't been in love with a young Cubs positional player this much since, well I guess Geo so it's not that long. Still, he's so young I feel like Chris Hansen is going to walk into my basement when I'm pumped with some of his AB's or plays in the field.

[imb]

what will castro (likely) be earning in 2013 and 2014? just seems like a waste to have him play 2nd. trade him for a need if Lee is producing as expected.

 

Your suggestion is to trade a 20 year old, playing a premium position, hitting about .310 over his first 200 ABs?

 

Because, of Lee? Lee is no where near the prospect Castro is. I understand Castro flew a bit under the radar, but the odds of him being as good are not good.

 

The more interesting road block is going to be if Ramirez resigns and Vitters bat becomes ready for the majors. What do you do? The obvious solution is to put Vitters in LF, however, Money Bags is currently roaming over there and is not likely to be moved. Move Vitters to 1B? Trade him?

 

Where do I say I want to trade Castro now? Young, .800 OPSing SS's are extremely valuable. If we have 2 of them at the major league level, dont just move one to 2nd. Get fair value and fill a need elsewhere.

I don't think that Lee ever will be an .800 OPS player.

thats true, and he's only 6 months younger than castro. we may expect something like Elvis Andrus with a little more pop?

an .800 ops at 2b is pretty average.

 

i dont think there's a lot of historical evidence for 20-year olds to come up, OPS .800 and then never improve on that.

 

Starlin is going to have a batch of 850-900 ops seasons and it's going to be awesome, whether at 6 or 4

 

(that's my new thing, calling baseball positions by their number equivalent, like in basketball)

[TruffleShuffle]

he's really a hacker at heart and loves to go after the first pitch. i don't have a problem with it because he's killing it when swinging at the first pitch, but i don't think the walks will really come unless he fills out and drives the ball more frequently. still, he makes contact so well, and hard contact, that he shouldn't be a low obp player. he should be able to hit .300 regularly, and it's hard to have a mediocre obp hitting .300 unless you absolutely refuse to take a walk.

[UMFan83]

Honestly I haven't been in love with a young Cubs positional player this much since, well I guess Geo so it's not that long. Still, he's so young I feel like Chris Hansen is going to walk into my basement when I'm pumped with some of his AB's or plays in the field.

 

that's a unique way of putting it.

[BeerHere]

What do you guys think of Lemahieu?

[Pushfrog98]

Between Lee and Castro, doesn't Lee have a stronger arm? I thought I remembered hearing (or reading) that he was throwing in the upper 90's. Would the stronger arm be better at the 5 or 6?

[Guest]

What do you guys think of Lemahieu?

 

Unless he starts hitting with some sort of power, he's probably going to be a big league utility player.

[Pushfrog98]

Between Lee and Castro, doesn't Lee have a stronger arm? I thought I remembered hearing (or reading) that he was throwing in the upper 90's. Would the stronger arm be better at the 5 or 6?

Nevermind, found the post where we signed him... he was clocked at 89mph. But that was when he was like 17 or 18.

[Guest]

What do you guys think of Lemahieu?

 

Unless he starts hitting with some sort of power, he's probably going to be a big league utility player.

As a ceiling.