Oswalt/Cardinals with mutual interest

[Little Slide Rooter]

Roy Oswalt-S - Astros Jul. 23 - 11:56 am et

 

 

Roy Oswalt still wants his 2012 club option guaranteed as part of any trade, but would be willing to restructure his contract should he be traded to the Cardinals, a source confirms to Amy Nelson of ESPN.com.

A few reports have intimated as much in the past 24 hours. It's becoming pretty clear that St. Louis has been Oswalt's preferred destination all along. That doesn't mean a trade will actually happen, of course, as the two clubs are working to find a common ground in negotiations.Source: Amy Nelson on Twitter

 

Roy Oswalt-S - Astros Jul. 22 - 9:26 pm et

 

 

Jayson Stark of ESPN.com reports that the Cardinals have offered two current major league players to the Astros for ace Roy Oswalt.

It sure sounds like the Cards are trying to pull off this deal without including top pitching prospect Shelby Miller. If it works, the Astros really are worse off than we thought both financially and intellectually. Cardinals youngsters Jon Jay, Allen Craig and Fernando Salas may be involved.Source: ESPN.com

 

Much like with Dan Haren, if the Cards were to have a rotation of Carpenter, Wainwright, Oswalt, Garcia, whoever and Pujols, Holliday, Rasmus, and Ludwick in the heart of the lineup, whatever other garbage they use to fill their roster with, it wouldnt matter and the other 5 NL Central teams may as well just start thinking Wild Card for the next few years.

 

This would be devestating to the Astros already feeble fan base, trading one of the few fan favorites they have to a division rival. Think Portland, Charlotte, or Indianapolis Astros devestating.

[Keener98]

The Cardinals dont have the prospects to get Oswalt without giving up Garcia and Shelby Miller. Even with those 2 Im not sure that gets it done, and from all reports the Cards arent interested in trading Garcia so.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Cardinals dont have the prospects to get Oswalt without giving up Garcia and Shelby Miller. Even with those 2 Im not sure that gets it done, and from all reports the Cards arent interested in trading Garcia so.

 

Shhhhh, don't interrupt WSR. He's about to jump.

[NonProfitCow]

The Astros are in a real bad spot though. They are bad and will be bad for the next few years. Oswalt has a no trade clause and has really only shown interest in STL. So they can keep him and be a bad team with a 16 mil per year pitcher, or try to get at least something out of him and still be a bad team but get 18 mil in salary relief. They can gamble on keeping him and offering arbitration for the compensation picks, but an injury or a terrible season and that idea is gone as well.

[Tryptamine]

Safe to say Rasmus is untouchable?

[Outshined_One]

So, what's Jaime Garcia's IP limit looking like this year? I'd imagine his injury history has him hovering somewhere around the 150 IP mark, especially considering the guy had Tommy John Surgery last year.

 

I'm curious if he'd be available in a deal.

[MWV]

From the STL Post-Dispatch this morning regarding the cardinals/Oswalt situation:

 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_4cb78092-16c7-5743-a56d-5323f0df8191.html

 

"The Cardinals, meanwhile, have tendered a two-player offer for Oswalt, according to sources.

 

The offer was rejected earlier this week and included shortstop Brendan Ryan and another player."

 

They really floated a package of "Brendan Ryan and another player" for Roy Oswalt? Must be one helluva second player.

[illiniguy]

From the STL Post-Dispatch this morning regarding the cardinals/Oswalt situation:

 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_4cb78092-16c7-5743-a56d-5323f0df8191.html

 

"The Cardinals, meanwhile, have tendered a two-player offer for Oswalt, according to sources.

 

The offer was rejected earlier this week and included shortstop Brendan Ryan and another player."

 

They really floated a package of "Brendan Ryan and another player" for Roy Oswalt? Must be one helluva second player.

Pujols? Lol. They stole McGwire and Rolen, but those weren't within division.

[Little Slide Rooter]

From the STL Post-Dispatch this morning regarding the cardinals/Oswalt situation:

 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_4cb78092-16c7-5743-a56d-5323f0df8191.html

 

"The Cardinals, meanwhile, have tendered a two-player offer for Oswalt, according to sources.

 

The offer was rejected earlier this week and included shortstop Brendan Ryan and another player."

 

They really floated a package of "Brendan Ryan and another player" for Roy Oswalt? Must be one helluva second player.

Pujols? Lol. They stole McGwire and Rolen, but those weren't within division.

 

If that "other player" isnt names Rasmus or Wainwright, and the Astros accept, they may as well just stop being a major league baseball team.

[NonProfitCow]

So, what's Jaime Garcia's IP limit looking like this year? I'd imagine his injury history has him hovering somewhere around the 150 IP mark, especially considering the guy had Tommy John Surgery last year.

 

I'm curious if he'd be available in a deal.

I don't think there's any way he's made available. As for his IP limit, not really sure. They've done a really good job with his pitch counts and pulling him if he begins to labor. He's gone over 100 pitches in 6 of 19 starts and only gone over 105 twice.

[shnsajax]

The Astros are in a real bad spot though. They are bad and will be bad for the next few years. Oswalt has a no trade clause and has really only shown interest in STL. So they can keep him and be a bad team with a 16 mil per year pitcher, or try to get at least something out of him and still be a bad team but get 18 mil in salary relief. They can gamble on keeping him and offering arbitration for the compensation picks, but an injury or a terrible season and that idea is gone as well.

 

They are also a bad team with a bad owner who wants to play GM.

[SouthSideRyan]

So the Cardinals aren't planning on re-signing Albert Pujols then?

[mul21]

So the Cardinals aren't planning on re-signing Albert Pujols then?

 

There have been reports out that Oswalt will restructure his deal so they are able to pick up the option and not kill them payroll wise. But yeah, that doesn't take into account they don't have the prospects to pull off the deal unless Houston is brain dead, which I guess isn't out of the question.

[abuck1220]

if the astros are going to trade oswalt for [expletive] john jay and brendan ryan they'd be better off just shooting oswalt in the head.

[TruffleShuffle]

was that seriously the offer??? if so, that is one of the worst trade proposals i've ever heard. that's like something that an unabashed homer would propose on the espn message boards.

[Little Slide Rooter]

was that seriously the offer??? if so, that is one of the worst trade proposals i've ever heard. that's like something that an unabashed homer would propose on the espn message boards.

 

There was a report that Houston had rejected an off of Brendan Ryan along with his .192/.259/.279 line and "another player" earlier in the week. If Im the Astros, Id maybe take Ryan as a throw in in a deal for Brett Myers.

[The Logan]

The Astros are reportedly asking for either Matt Kemp or James Loney for Roy Oswalt from the Dodgers

 

The Astros have asked the Dodgers for either Matt Kemp or James Loney in a deal for Roy Oswalt, according to FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal.

Loney is a reasonable request, but the 'Stros would be setting their sights too high with Kemp. The Dodgers are apparently unwilling to part with either player. Meanwhile, Houston is not enamored with St. Louis' young talent, but the Cardinals remain skeptical that the Astros are willing to deal Oswalt within the division, even if they could come up with the right package. Philadelphia might make the most sense, but it's not clear if Oswalt would even be willing to waive his no-trade clause to go there. Stay tuned.

 

Though it's kind of conflicting on Rotoworld's front page. The headline says Loney and when you click it it says Loney, but on the front page it says Ethier instead, but still references Loney.

 

If all it takes is James Loney to get Roy Oswalt, the Dodgers should not hesitate to do it. Financial differences be damned. The kind of numbers Loney puts up are the kind of numbers you'd hope for out of your second baseman, for a first baseman his numbers are [expletive].

 

But obviously it comes down to Oswalt's choice of teams he goes to

[Little Slide Rooter]

Oswalts really just being a huge pain in the ass. a few months ago, he goes public and requests a trade. Now hes giving them a short list of teams he will accept a trade too? Thats really not cool. At least when Peavy did that same thing, it was because the Pads wanted him out and he wanted to stay, so he had the ball in his court, but with Oswalt, when you were the one requesting a trade, you should take what you get. I can understand not wanting to go to the Royals or Orioles, but as far as contenders go, he should really be more accomadating.

[SweetZombieJesus]

The kind of numbers Loney puts up are the kind of numbers you'd hope for out of your second baseman, for a first baseman his numbers are [expletive].

 

 

If he bangs sixes and is good with the media he's would be a folk hero here.