Gorzelanny on the block?

[JGalt73]

The Cubs are hoping to use left-handed starter Tom Gorzelanny as a trade chip to land a reliable set-up man for closer Carlos Marmol, as Carlos Zambrano is expected to move back into the rotation next week. …

[UK1679666180]

Depending on how he does, it might be a case where they would be selling higher than where he was when they acq'd him.

 

Gorzelanny has definitely made some mechanical improvements which has brought back some bite to his breaking ball and has much better command/control.

 

Although at this point, there aren't too many teams that have losing records that also have the depth to have a quality 8th inning guy at this point of the year.

[dew1679666265]

Depending on how he does, it might be a case where they would be selling higher than where he was when they acq'd him.

 

Gorzelanny has definitely made some mechanical improvements which has brought back some bite to his breaking ball and has much better command/control.

 

Although at this point, there aren't too many teams that have losing records that also have the depth to have a quality 8th inning guy at this point of the year.

 

I wonder if a team with a strong back end of the bullpen, but a weakness in the rotation would be interested. I have no idea what team (if any) that might describe, but that would probably be our best option in trading Gorzo, I think.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs are hoping to use left-handed starter Tom Gorzelanny as a trade chip to land a reliable set-up man for closer Carlos Marmol, as Carlos Zambrano is expected to move back into the rotation next week. …

 

I'm fine with trading Gorz, but the 8th inning stuff is getting to be parody.

[UK1679666180]

Depending on how he does, it might be a case where they would be selling higher than where he was when they acq'd him.

 

Gorzelanny has definitely made some mechanical improvements which has brought back some bite to his breaking ball and has much better command/control.

 

Although at this point, there aren't too many teams that have losing records that also have the depth to have a quality 8th inning guy at this point of the year.

 

I wonder if a team with a strong back end of the bullpen, but a weakness in the rotation would be interested. I have no idea what team (if any) that might describe, but that would probably be our best option in trading Gorzo, I think.

 

Cleveland has a couple of guys, although with Smith and Wood struggling it makes someone like Sipp (who would also be selling high) somewhat more difficult but Masterson has to be on his last legs in the rotation.

 

If not a SP, why not some offense. The Cubs have too many OF'ers and someone like Nady might be a fit for the White Sox who have had the development of Santos as well as Thorton cont'g to be one of the best set-up men in the game. That would open up someone like Putz to be avail. but the Sox appear more likely to be shopping Jenks at the moment.

[erik316wttn]

Depending on how he does, it might be a case where they would be selling higher than where he was when they acq'd him.

 

Gorzelanny has definitely made some mechanical improvements which has brought back some bite to his breaking ball and has much better command/control.

 

Although at this point, there aren't too many teams that have losing records that also have the depth to have a quality 8th inning guy at this point of the year.

 

When was the last time the Cubs did that?

[NCCubFan]

The Cubs are hoping to use left-handed starter Tom Gorzelanny as a trade chip to land a reliable set-up man for closer Carlos Marmol, as Carlos Zambrano is expected to move back into the rotation next week. …

 

I'm fine with trading Gorz, but the 8th inning stuff is getting to be parody.

Exactly. Marshall has the 8th inning covered. It's the 6th and 7th innings where the Cubs need help.

[daske17]

Depending on how he does, it might be a case where they would be selling higher than where he was when they acq'd him.

 

Gorzelanny has definitely made some mechanical improvements which has brought back some bite to his breaking ball and has much better command/control.

 

Although at this point, there aren't too many teams that have losing records that also have the depth to have a quality 8th inning guy at this point of the year.

 

When was the last time the Cubs did that?

 

Kevin Hart and Sean Gallagher come to mind, even though they were from our system.

[SouthSideRyan]

Depending on how he does, it might be a case where they would be selling higher than where he was when they acq'd him.

 

Gorzelanny has definitely made some mechanical improvements which has brought back some bite to his breaking ball and has much better command/control.

 

Although at this point, there aren't too many teams that have losing records that also have the depth to have a quality 8th inning guy at this point of the year.

 

When was the last time the Cubs did that?

 

How often are players traded for and then traded away?

 

Mark DeRosa is certainly an answer though.

[dew1679666265]

Depending on how he does, it might be a case where they would be selling higher than where he was when they acq'd him.

 

Gorzelanny has definitely made some mechanical improvements which has brought back some bite to his breaking ball and has much better command/control.

 

Although at this point, there aren't too many teams that have losing records that also have the depth to have a quality 8th inning guy at this point of the year.

 

When was the last time the Cubs did that?

 

How often are players traded for and then traded away?

 

Mark DeRosa is certainly an answer though.

 

Todd Walker and Michael Barrett?

[biittner77]

The Cubs are hoping to use left-handed starter Tom Gorzelanny as a trade chip to land a reliable set-up man for closer Carlos Marmol, as Carlos Zambrano is expected to move back into the rotation next week. …

 

I'm fine with trading Gorz, but the 8th inning stuff is getting to be parody.

Exactly. Marshall has the 8th inning covered. It's the 6th and 7th innings where the Cubs need help.

 

Except that it would be nice to not have to send Marshall out there for 80 appearances this year. They want what they've wanted ever since they made Marmol the closer, a hard throwing RH reliever that can strike people out.

 

They already have Blake Parker and Brian Schlitter in AAA who fit that description but for some reason they don't have enough confidence in them to do the same job at the MLB level.

 

Trading Gorzelanny probably means either re signing Lilly or moving Marshall to the rotation next year as they will likely want at least 1 LH SP. Since they like Marshall in the pen that means keeping Lilly.

[Post Count Padder]

I'd rather sell high on Silva, but at least we're selling high. And we'd better not overpay for a setup man. Though, outside of Marmol, Russell and Marshall, the pen's been atrocious.

[treebird]

if you're set on trading him (and i don't think you ought to be), i'd much rather just look for prospects in return instead of more stupid relief pitchers.

[illiniguy]

if you're set on trading him (and i don't think you ought to be), i'd much rather just look for prospects in return instead of more stupid relief pitchers.

Yeah this is the route we should take, too bad Jim isn't worried about rebuilding. He's gonna bandaid this gunshot wound.

[The Logan]

The Braves have a flurry of bullpen arms and are having some issues in their rotation... Lowe has been abysmal and Kawakami has been less than stellar, all while Jair Jurrjens is injured.

 

The Braves have Saito, Moylan, O'Flaherty, Medlen, and Venters in their bullpen. They moved Medlen who was perfoming good as well to their rotation. Adding Gorz could move him back. Their ERA's...

 

Saito: 3.43

Moylan: 2.11

Medlen: 2.57

O'Flaherty: 1.86

Venters: 1.00

 

Obviously they also have Wagner, but I'm sure he's not going anywhere.

 

I'd say the Braves have an immediate need and a surplus of bullpen arms to spare in a one-for-one trade if it comes down to it

[Little Slide Rooter]

Any chance we could do what we did with Fox and Miles and trade Gorz to a team who wants him enough to take Grabow and part of his salary off our hands?

[Outshined_One]

Gorzelanny has actually been one of the best pitchers on the Cubs this season. Moreover, he's only got a little over 2 years of ML service time, meaning he'll be cheap and under the Cubs' control for awhile. I like that the Cubs are willing to sell high on someone, but at the same time, we're talking about a guy who should bring back more than a decent setup man.

 

So, here's an idea. Rather than trade Gorzelanny for a relief pitcher, why not move him into relief, and then move him back to starter next season if Lilly leaves town?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Gorzelanny has actually been one of the best pitchers on the Cubs this season. Moreover, he's only got a little over 2 years of ML service time, meaning he'll be cheap and under the Cubs' control for awhile. I like that the Cubs are willing to sell high on someone, but at the same time, we're talking about a guy who should bring back more than a decent setup man.

 

So, here's an idea. Rather than trade Gorzelanny for a relief pitcher, why not move him into relief, and then move him back to starter next season if Lilly leaves town?

 

Nothing against Gorz, but if/when Lilly leaves town, Id much rather the spot be given to Cashner or Jackson. Gorz looks like he could be a solid mid rotation pitcher, or an above average 4-5, but Cash and Jax, especially Cashner looks like they could be quality front end guys. Maybe if Silva can at least continue to keep his head above water he could be another sell high candidate, especially when after this year he only has 1 year left.

[erik316wttn]

At this point I'd be willing to see if I could get someone to bite on Wells before Gorzo.

[JoshiQ]

Kyle Farnsworth is having one of his "good" years. Maybe we'll trade for him.

 

:banghead:

[Post Count Padder]

Kyle Farnsworth is having one of his "good" years. Maybe we'll trade for him.

 

:banghead:

Oh god no

[SouthSideRyan]

At this point I'd be willing to see if I could get someone to bite on Wells before Gorzo.

 

Something tells me you weren't saying this before yesterday.

[erik316wttn]

At this point I'd be willing to see if I could get someone to bite on Wells before Gorzo.

 

Something tells me you weren't saying this before yesterday.

 

We could probably get more for Wells, and we don't know if last year was a fluke or not.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Kyle Farnsworth is having one of his "good" years. Maybe we'll trade for him.

 

:banghead:

Oh god no

 

We already have him down in Iowa, only his names harder to spell.

[Little Slide Rooter]

At this point I'd be willing to see if I could get someone to bite on Wells before Gorzo.

 

Something tells me you weren't saying this before yesterday.

 

We could probably get more for Wells, and we don't know if last year was a fluke or not.

 

I dont see why it seems so unreasonable to want to keep Gorz over Wells, or vice versa. They're both very different pitchers, yet rather interchangeable all the same. Theyre the same age. Wells was a very pleasent surprise last year, and this year has looked great at times, but has alos looked dreadfull at times. Gorz was a highly thought of prospect with the Pirates organization, and seemed very promising back in 2007 before things went south for him and he was demoted. Wells relies on hitting his spots as a finesse guy, where Gorz is more of a power pitcher. Depending if a team wants a righty or lefty, Id be willing to move either dependig on the return. I know a lot of people will strongly disagre with me, but Id just as soon trade em both if we could get some solid prospects and bring up Cashner and either J Jax or Diamond.