Bulls Offseason Thread

[SpongeWorthy]

In what other walk of life would a potential suitor calling you and encouraging you to come work for them be considered a bad thing? I think it illustrates how nutty things have gotten.

 

I don't really think a college is entitled to have a level playing field, really. It's not like Harvard and MIT have to leave a few extra bullets in the chamber when trying to get a Nobel laureate to join the faculty. Genuine amateurism is nice but it's kind of hard to enforce with your left hand while your right hand is signing multi billion dollar television contracts.

[SouthSideRyan]

In what other walk of life would a potential suitor calling you and encouraging you to come work for them be considered a bad thing? I think it illustrates how nutty things have gotten.

 

Are you ok with no limit on how often a coach can call a 15 year old kid? Should there be restrictions on when he can place calls? How bout visits? Can he wait outside his school every day for a week? The NCAA is FUBAR, but it doesn't mean there's no basis for their restrictions.

[SpongeWorthy]

In what other walk of life would a potential suitor calling you and encouraging you to come work for them be considered a bad thing? I think it illustrates how nutty things have gotten.

 

Are you ok with no limit on how often a coach can call a 15 year old kid? Should there be restrictions on when he can place calls? How bout visits? Can he wait outside his school every day for a week? The NCAA is FUBAR, but it doesn't mean there's no basis for their restrictions.

 

We don't really have a problem sending young tennis/gymnastics/music prodigies that are much younger than that to go to a school almost entirely devoted to getting better at tennis/gymnastics/music. But those kids aren't young and black and from poor neighborhoods so we don't see the need to save them from themselves.

 

Any person that you see in Olympics, and many, many levels of competition below that has had a far more regimented lifestyle for longer than the typical big time college hoops or football player.

[SouthSideRyan]

In what other walk of life would a potential suitor calling you and encouraging you to come work for them be considered a bad thing? I think it illustrates how nutty things have gotten.

 

Are you ok with no limit on how often a coach can call a 15 year old kid? Should there be restrictions on when he can place calls? How bout visits? Can he wait outside his school every day for a week? The NCAA is FUBAR, but it doesn't mean there's no basis for their restrictions.

 

We don't really have a problem sending young tennis/gymnastics/music prodigies that are much younger than that to go to a school almost entirely devoted to getting better at tennis/gymnastics/music. But those kids aren't young and black and from poor neighborhoods so we don't see the need to save them from themselves.

 

Any person that you see in Olympics, and many, many levels of competition below that has had a far more regimented lifestyle for longer than the typical big time college hoops or football player.

 

Were you replying to somebody else. None of that has anything to do with what I posted. I said nothing about overworking a kid or taking away their chance at a pro career. If a parent decides to send their kid elsewhere to develop their gifts, then go right ahead. I've got no problems with schools like Oak Hill or Findlay, it makes sense.

 

If you want to get on somebody for not giving poor black youths a chance to make money, get on the NBA for the age limit they put into place because they want to cover their own stupid asses because they don't know how to judge high school talent. They better be careful with their labor situation, because an extended lockout is going to lead to a whole lot of US talent playing overseas, and all you need is a few success stories before that jump starts happening from high school. I bet we'd see the age limit rule repealed real quickly after that.

[SpongeWorthy]

I still have no idea why the NBA put the age limit in place.

 

The track record of kids jumping straight from high school to the NBA exceeded anyone's wildest expectations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prep-to-pro_players

 

There's a handful of outright busts there, some guys who made way too much money relative to their ability level, and many more solid players to all time greats.

[SouthSideRyan]

Kwame Brown. I can't think of another reason.

 

But yeah, there's no higher attrition rate for high schoolers than there is for college players, it doesn't really make sense.

[imb]

i had high hopes for ndubi ebi

[cubsfan5150]

I still have no idea why the NBA put the age limit in place.

 

The track record of kids jumping straight from high school to the NBA exceeded anyone's wildest expectations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prep-to-pro_players

 

There's a handful of outright busts there, some guys who made way too much money relative to their ability level, and many more solid players to all time greats.

 

I would be extremely happy if the NBA put an NFL style age limit in place. I like college basketball much more than NBA basketball and would have loved to see Lebron in college. Not so sure the Hogs would have completely fallen off the map if Al Jefferson had been forced to go to college for 3 years.

[chuckywang]

I still have no idea why the NBA put the age limit in place.

 

The track record of kids jumping straight from high school to the NBA exceeded anyone's wildest expectations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prep-to-pro_players

 

There's a handful of outright busts there, some guys who made way too much money relative to their ability level, and many more solid players to all time greats.

 

There are also players that declared but didn't get drafted. DeAngelo Collins comes to mind.

[Guest]

I still have no idea why the NBA put the age limit in place.

 

The track record of kids jumping straight from high school to the NBA exceeded anyone's wildest expectations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prep-to-pro_players

 

There's a handful of outright busts there, some guys who made way too much money relative to their ability level, and many more solid players to all time greats.

 

I would be extremely happy if the NBA put an NFL style age limit in place. I like college basketball much more than NBA basketball and would have loved to see Lebron in college. Not so sure the Hogs would have completely fallen off the map if Al Jefferson had been forced to go to college for 3 years.

 

MLB's rules are the way to go.

[SouthSideRyan]

I still have no idea why the NBA put the age limit in place.

 

The track record of kids jumping straight from high school to the NBA exceeded anyone's wildest expectations.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prep-to-pro_players

 

There's a handful of outright busts there, some guys who made way too much money relative to their ability level, and many more solid players to all time greats.

 

I would be extremely happy if the NBA put an NFL style age limit in place. I like college basketball much more than NBA basketball and would have loved to see Lebron in college. Not so sure the Hogs would have completely fallen off the map if Al Jefferson had been forced to go to college for 3 years.

 

MLB's rules are the way to go.

 

The NBDL really needs to be developed for this to work. There's no European option for high school baseball players. I could see a lot of kids passing on deciding to committ for 3 years and heading overseas. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but being realistic about the NBA implementing it, they'd have to some sort of minor league. Stern kept trying to expand internationally, maybe he could link up with one of the Euro leagues as a minor league?

[rawaction]

So, did Joe Johnson play himself out of a max contract in the Orlando series? If not Lebron, I still think Johnson and a big is the best way to go. Really like Channing Frye, even if you have to overpay.

[jersey cubs fan]

So, did Joe Johnson play himself out of a max contract in the Orlando series? If not Lebron, I still think Johnson and a big is the best way to go. Really like Channing Frye, even if you have to overpay.

 

With so many teams looking to give out max contracts and so few max worthy players available, isn't it almost a guarantee that he gets one?

[wolf stansson]

So, did Joe Johnson play himself out of a max contract in the Orlando series? If not Lebron, I still think Johnson and a big is the best way to go. Really like Channing Frye, even if you have to overpay.

You think Joe Johnson and Channing Frye is the best way to go to build a contender?

 

Channing Frye would be an ok piece to spread the floor, but he's a guy. That's it. Joe Johnson is going to get a max or close to it contract. He's 28. The wheels fall off the shooting guards around age 28-30 and you want to pay him max money? That's your plan for beating LeBron and Howard? Bad plan.

[Soul]

I'm not sure anyone short of Lebron James makes a team the favorite in the East. Because if it isn't James, then at best you still need to get past James. Probably, you'd need to get past the Magic and James.

 

Does a guy like Bosh, for example, do that for the Bulls? Great player, but does he raise a team to that level? I have my doubts.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm not sure anyone short of Lebron James makes a team the favorite in the East. Because if it isn't James, then at best you still need to get past James. Probably, you'd need to get past the Magic and James.

 

Does a guy like Bosh, for example, do that for the Bulls? Great player, but does he raise a team to that level? I have my doubts.

 

Well, it would be more like Bosh and Rose vs. James. Especially if he goes to the Knicks (though if they end up with James and Wade, forget it).

[Keener98]

Any interest in McHale?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5179420

[SouthSideRyan]

Is it news that Kevin McHale wants a job?

[Magnetic Curses]

kevin mchale is a giant turd

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I liked him on Cheers

[Old Style]

I liked him on Cheers

+1

[rawaction]

So, did Joe Johnson play himself out of a max contract in the Orlando series? If not Lebron, I still think Johnson and a big is the best way to go. Really like Channing Frye, even if you have to overpay.

You think Joe Johnson and Channing Frye is the best way to go to build a contender?

 

Channing Frye would be an ok piece to spread the floor, but he's a guy. That's it. Joe Johnson is going to get a max or close to it contract. He's 28. The wheels fall off the shooting guards around age 28-30 and you want to pay him max money? That's your plan for beating LeBron and Howard? Bad plan.

 

Yes, because there are so many fool-proof plans out there to beat teams led by LeBron and Howard.

[SouthSideRyan]

Joe Johnson is just dying to become Michael Redd

[RedFlash]

I'm not sure anyone short of Lebron James makes a team the favorite in the East. Because if it isn't James, then at best you still need to get past James. Probably, you'd need to get past the Magic and James.

 

Does a guy like Bosh, for example, do that for the Bulls? Great player, but does he raise a team to that level? I have my doubts.

 

Well, it would be more like Bosh and Rose vs. James. Especially if he goes to the Knicks (though if they end up with James and Wade, forget it).

 

To beat the James Gang, you basically has to use the Orlando Magic model; depth, length, and shooting ability. Bosh would be the centerpiece to shaping the roster, but the Bulls would have to make some nice moves (ie Orlando acquiring Gortat from Phx for future cash considerations) to go with signing a guy like Bosh.

[jersey cubs fan]

So, did Joe Johnson play himself out of a max contract in the Orlando series? If not Lebron, I still think Johnson and a big is the best way to go. Really like Channing Frye, even if you have to overpay.

You think Joe Johnson and Channing Frye is the best way to go to build a contender?

 

Channing Frye would be an ok piece to spread the floor, but he's a guy. That's it. Joe Johnson is going to get a max or close to it contract. He's 28. The wheels fall off the shooting guards around age 28-30 and you want to pay him max money? That's your plan for beating LeBron and Howard? Bad plan.

 

Yes, because there are so many fool-proof plans out there to beat teams led by LeBron and Howard.

 

I don't really know anything about these guys in question, but would it be better to not lock into a huge contract with obvious second rate guys who won't do much to improve the chances of winning a championship. Or do people just want whatever free agent they can get and hope to become a 4/5 seed for years to come?