Re: March Madness: The Thread

[Guest]

What part of recording a phone conversation with a high school basketball player without letting him know and lying about it wasn't shady? And all because he missed out on a recruit.

 

I'm pretty sure Scott Drew hasn't had an investigation against him either but judging from the recruiting tactics that have leaked out, one can tell he's pretty shady too.

 

So, it's apples to apples to compare Pearl to Calipari? Surely you don't really believe that? By that same logic, Neuheisel is as dirty as Kiffin, right?

 

It's just a silly comparison.

Where did he say it was apples to apples. Calling both shady doesn't equate the two. Saying he's going to root against Pearl based on the same principle on which he rooted against Calipari doesn't equate the two.

 

So, let's make sure I have this correct...

 

Saying that Pearl and Calipari should be lumped together is not equating the two?

lol - you're too much, man.

[shnsajax]

How do you guys find the energy to be offended by shady ethics in sham amateur sports?

 

Aren't you a USC fan, your simply more used to it than the rest of us ;-)

[bukie]

How do you guys find the energy to be offended by shady ethics in sham amateur sports?

Because it's not as much of a sham in places other than USC.

[biittner77]

What Pearl did was worse than what Calipari has done. But he did it a long time ago. We're a country of second chances and I'd like to believe that includes Bruce Pearl. But then I see his smug, fat face and I realize that to me he'll always be the guy that took advantage of an 18 year old kid out of pure spite.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://deadspin.com/5504386/tom-izzo-wins-the-weekend

 

Let's not forget, in three of his first five Final Fours, State didn't win a game.

 

If I'm reading this correctly, the author is attempting to temper his Izzo celebratory article by saying that Michigan State only advanced to the finals of the tournament in two of the five times they reached the final four.

 

This makes no sense to me. How is this a critical statement? That means they made the final four five times, which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

[Sammys Boombox]

You're probably tired of hearing about it, but I have to gloat once more while I still can.

 

Before the Baylor loss yesterday I was ranked 373 out of 2.2 million (so I'm told) Yahoo! brackets.

[SpongeWorthy]

How do you guys find the energy to be offended by shady ethics in sham amateur sports?

Because it's not as much of a sham in places other than USC.

 

That's rich.

 

You could take away any one big time athletic program and the NCAA would still collude with conferences and universities to maximize revenues off the free labor of Division 1 football and basketball players. That's sham amateurism by any definition.

[Soul]

http://deadspin.com/5504386/tom-izzo-wins-the-weekend

 

Let's not forget, in three of his first five Final Fours, State didn't win a game.

 

If I'm reading this correctly, the author is attempting to temper his Izzo celebratory article by saying that Michigan State only advanced to the finals of the tournament in two of the five times they reached the final four.

 

This makes no sense to me. How is this a critical statement? That means they made the final four five times, which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

 

I don't get it either.

 

I'm not sure I buy that Izzo is the greatest coach in the game, but I don't see any valid way to undermine his accomplishments. Where is MSU's program without him? Very likely, nowhere.

[dew1679666265]

http://deadspin.com/5504386/tom-izzo-wins-the-weekend

 

Let's not forget, in three of his first five Final Fours, State didn't win a game.

 

If I'm reading this correctly, the author is attempting to temper his Izzo celebratory article by saying that Michigan State only advanced to the finals of the tournament in two of the five times they reached the final four.

 

This makes no sense to me. How is this a critical statement? That means they made the final four five times, which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

 

I don't get it either.

 

I'm not sure I buy that Izzo is the greatest coach in the game, but I don't see any valid way to undermine his accomplishments. Where is MSU's program without him? Very likely, nowhere.

 

How is Krzyzewski not?

[SouthSideRyan]

http://deadspin.com/5504386/tom-izzo-wins-the-weekend

 

Let's not forget, in three of his first five Final Fours, State didn't win a game.

 

If I'm reading this correctly, the author is attempting to temper his Izzo celebratory article by saying that Michigan State only advanced to the finals of the tournament in two of the five times they reached the final four.

 

This makes no sense to me. How is this a critical statement? That means they made the final four five times, which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

 

I don't get it either.

 

I'm not sure I buy that Izzo is the greatest coach in the game, but I don't see any valid way to undermine his accomplishments. Where is MSU's program without him? Very likely, nowhere.

 

How is Krzyzewski not?

 

Depends on whether you weigh Xs and Os more than getting the talent to the school. Nobody does less with more than Coach K

[SpongeWorthy]

http://deadspin.com/5504386/tom-izzo-wins-the-weekend

 

Let's not forget, in three of his first five Final Fours, State didn't win a game.

 

If I'm reading this correctly, the author is attempting to temper his Izzo celebratory article by saying that Michigan State only advanced to the finals of the tournament in two of the five times they reached the final four.

 

This makes no sense to me. How is this a critical statement? That means they made the final four five times, which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

 

I don't get it either.

 

I'm not sure I buy that Izzo is the greatest coach in the game, but I don't see any valid way to undermine his accomplishments. Where is MSU's program without him? Very likely, nowhere.

 

How is Krzyzewski not?

 

Depends on whether you weigh Xs and Os more than getting the talent to the school. Nobody does less with more than Coach K

 

Rick Barnes.

 

Coach K did win a national title more recently than Izzo.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rick Barnes.

 

Coach K did win a national title more recently than Izzo.

 

Duke has 3 times the McD All-Americans Texas does most years(note numbers a total estimation and may be completely made up)

[dew1679666265]

How is Krzyzewski not?

 

Depends on whether you weigh Xs and Os more than getting the talent to the school. Nobody does less with more than Coach K

 

Coach K: 3 titles, 11 Final Fours

Izzo: 1 title, 6 Final Fours

 

Has Coach K had that significantly more talent than Izzo?

[SpongeWorthy]

Rick Barnes.

 

Coach K did win a national title more recently than Izzo.

 

Duke has 3 times the McD All-Americans Texas does most years(note numbers a total estimation and may be completely made up)

 

UT's put much better talent into the NBA recently than Duke has. Maybe Duke gets better high school players but I don't think there's any question UT has gotten better pro prospects.

 

Rick Barnes is a horrible in game coach.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rick Barnes.

 

Coach K did win a national title more recently than Izzo.

 

Duke has 3 times the McD All-Americans Texas does most years(note numbers a total estimation and may be completely made up)

 

UT's put much better talent into the NBA recently than Duke has. Maybe Duke gets better high school players but I don't think there's any question UT has gotten better pro prospects.

 

Rick Barnes is a horrible in game coach.

 

Well yeah, nobody's going to argue that point.

[Exile on Waveland]

Rick Barnes.

 

Coach K did win a national title more recently than Izzo.

 

Duke has 3 times the McD All-Americans Texas does most years(note numbers a total estimation and may be completely made up)

 

Oh, c'mon. You know very well -- in fact, I think you've even mentioned it before -- that many of Duke's McDonald's All-Americans are such because they are committed to Duke, not because they're actually worthy (the same principle often applies to actual rankings, as well).

 

Further, while it's hilarious to say "Duke hasn't been to the Final Four since 2004, ahahah" -- what a loser, he went five whole seasons without a Final Four -- Duke won 27-32-22-28-30 games over that stretch. Barnes has had four double-digit losses in the last six years, Coach K has had two since 1984 (not including the partial season he missed due to his back). I'd also argue Barnes has had more actual talent over the past six-eight years. This is a really stupid comparison and I'm going to stop now.

[Guest]

How is Krzyzewski not?

 

Depends on whether you weigh Xs and Os more than getting the talent to the school. Nobody does less with more than Coach K

 

Coach K: 3 titles, 11 Final Fours

Izzo: 1 title, 6 Final Fours

 

Has Coach K had that significantly more talent than Izzo?

 

He's been coaching at Duke for 30 years. Izzo's only been at MSU for 13 years.

[jersey cubs fan]

How is Krzyzewski not?

 

Depends on whether you weigh Xs and Os more than getting the talent to the school. Nobody does less with more than Coach K

 

Coach K: 3 titles, 11 Final Fours

Izzo: 1 title, 6 Final Fours

 

Has Coach K had that significantly more talent than Izzo?

 

And what, 15 more seasons? Most of those in the era before every John Henry College was making runs at the sweet sixteen.

[dew1679666265]

How is Krzyzewski not?

 

Depends on whether you weigh Xs and Os more than getting the talent to the school. Nobody does less with more than Coach K

 

Coach K: 3 titles, 11 Final Fours

Izzo: 1 title, 6 Final Fours

 

Has Coach K had that significantly more talent than Izzo?

 

He's been coaching at Duke for 30 years. Izzo's only been at MSU for 13 years.

 

Man, it didn't occur to me he'd been there that long. I can definitely see the argument for Izzo and I'm not convinced Coach K is better – I was going mainly off overall better success for Coach K, but didn't realize he'd been at Duke for 30 years.

[dew1679666265]

How is Krzyzewski not?

 

Depends on whether you weigh Xs and Os more than getting the talent to the school. Nobody does less with more than Coach K

 

Coach K: 3 titles, 11 Final Fours

Izzo: 1 title, 6 Final Fours

 

Has Coach K had that significantly more talent than Izzo?

 

And what, 15 more seasons? Most of those in the era before every John Henry College was making runs at the sweet sixteen.

 

Yeah, soccer pointed that out too. I didn't realize he had 15 years on Izzo.

[Soul]

How is Krzyzewski not?

 

Depends on whether you weigh Xs and Os more than getting the talent to the school. Nobody does less with more than Coach K

 

Coach K: 3 titles, 11 Final Fours

Izzo: 1 title, 6 Final Fours

 

Has Coach K had that significantly more talent than Izzo?

 

Coach K has been at it a lot longer than Izzo, though.

[Soul]

Whoops, sorry didn't see jersey's response :oops:

[dew1679666265]

Whoops, sorry didn't see jersey's response :oops:

 

And soccer10k's. I've been corrected from all sides. :D

[SouthSideRyan]

Rick Barnes.

 

Coach K did win a national title more recently than Izzo.

 

Duke has 3 times the McD All-Americans Texas does most years(note numbers a total estimation and may be completely made up)

 

Oh, c'mon. You know very well -- in fact, I think you've even mentioned it before -- that many of Duke's McDonald's All-Americans are such because they are committed to Duke, not because they're actually worthy (the same principle often applies to actual rankings, as well).

 

Further, while it's hilarious to say "Duke hasn't been to the Final Four since 2004, ahahah" -- what a loser, he went five whole seasons without a Final Four -- Duke won 27-32-22-28-30 games over that stretch. Barnes has had four double-digit losses in the last six years, Coach K has had two since 1984 (not including the partial season he missed due to his back). I'd also argue Barnes has had more actual talent over the past six-eight years. This is a really stupid comparison and I'm going to stop now.

 

You got me on your first point. All I can really argue with in this post is his ludicrous my team sucks so I'm getting back surgery and putting all the losses on this fall guy. [expletive] you K

[Exile on Waveland]

The back surgery was, um, fortuitously timed for his overall winning percentage.