College Basketball 2010-11

[Smack]

 

I'm not really counting on the freshman. Painter is annoying the piss out of me by refusing to recruit from outside the state or just across the Indiana border.

 

I am hoping that Barlow steps up his game some. If he chooses to he could be a great perimeter defender due to his size and athleticism. He should, at the least, be able to pick up some of the slack in the offense created by Grant. D.J. Byrd should also be better and be able give us some scoring off the bench. Bade should also improve and be smarter making him a decent backup C. Add in LewJack most likely being more healthy and there for a lot more games and any freshman who is competent and Purdue should be just as good.

 

Obviously if Barlow, Bade and Byrd don't get any better, no freshman can step in or LewJack continues to be hurt we will be quite a bit worse but if a couple of them are better Purdue is still top 10 and if all step up then Purdue may be the best next season.

 

 

And I still stand by what I said. Purdue is historically one of the best in the Big Ten. If you want to start changing historically to the last 10, 20 or whatever years then that changes everything and I wouldn't say Purdue is nearly as strong.

You said top two, which is what we all took issue with. had you said one of the ebst, I know I wouldn't have laughed so hard. As for being the best next year, no way. Michigan State was better than you this year, and they bring back everyone but Morgan, and replace him with a top 5 recruiting class.

 

For one Michigan State wasn't better than us. They were equal to us and that is with the Hummel stuff at the end.

 

For two I said we may be the best if Barlow, Byrd, Bade and LewJack all step up/are more healthy. I don't think that is a stretch. If we lose Kramer and Grant and have four guys doing better that would make us a better team this year's team.

 

Bade has a very long way to go to become a useful backup post player. Purdue better hope that Marcius is fully healthy and ready to play next season.

 

What's the storry with Byrd? He was a four star. He didn't see the floor much, but when he was out there he ran around looking like he knew what he was doing (unlike Bade). I wanted to see more, but Barlow was getting the minutes over him.

[Exile on Waveland]

People think Michigan State was better than Purdue (with Hummel)? Seriously? Sorry, that's some dream world (wish I was living in it too. . .). No one remembers the drubbing Purdue put on the Spartans in East Lansing, I guess. Or the better record or the better non-conference resume. OK, I need a shower now.

 

 

As to the Purdue kids, Byrd is going to be good. I never thought much of Bade and wasn't exactly sure he was Purdue-caliber. Therefore, I celebrated his recruitment.

[fromthestretch]

Bade has a very long way to go to become a useful backup post player. Purdue better hope that Marcius is fully healthy and ready to play next season.

 

What's the storry with Byrd? He was a four star. He didn't see the floor much, but when he was out there he ran around looking like he knew what he was doing (unlike Bade). I wanted to see more, but Barlow was getting the minutes over him.

 

Byrd is a guy I can see taking a big step forward next season. He's a better shooter than his numbers this year indicate, and at 6'5, he's bigger than Hart or Smith. I was not happy to see Smith out on the floor before him (or at all, for that matter).

[CubbieBum]

 

I'm not really counting on the freshman. Painter is annoying the piss out of me by refusing to recruit from outside the state or just across the Indiana border.

 

I am hoping that Barlow steps up his game some. If he chooses to he could be a great perimeter defender due to his size and athleticism. He should, at the least, be able to pick up some of the slack in the offense created by Grant. D.J. Byrd should also be better and be able give us some scoring off the bench. Bade should also improve and be smarter making him a decent backup C. Add in LewJack most likely being more healthy and there for a lot more games and any freshman who is competent and Purdue should be just as good.

 

Obviously if Barlow, Bade and Byrd don't get any better, no freshman can step in or LewJack continues to be hurt we will be quite a bit worse but if a couple of them are better Purdue is still top 10 and if all step up then Purdue may be the best next season.

 

 

And I still stand by what I said. Purdue is historically one of the best in the Big Ten. If you want to start changing historically to the last 10, 20 or whatever years then that changes everything and I wouldn't say Purdue is nearly as strong.

You said top two, which is what we all took issue with. had you said one of the ebst, I know I wouldn't have laughed so hard. As for being the best next year, no way. Michigan State was better than you this year, and they bring back everyone but Morgan, and replace him with a top 5 recruiting class.

 

For one Michigan State wasn't better than us. They were equal to us and that is with the Hummel stuff at the end.

 

For two I said we may be the best if Barlow, Byrd, Bade and LewJack all step up/are more healthy. I don't think that is a stretch. If we lose Kramer and Grant and have four guys doing better that would make us a better team this year's team.

 

Bade has a very long way to go to become a useful backup post player. Purdue better hope that Marcius is fully healthy and ready to play next season.

 

What's the storry with Byrd? He was a four star. He didn't see the floor much, but when he was out there he ran around looking like he knew what he was doing (unlike Bade). I wanted to see more, but Barlow was getting the minutes over him.

 

Not 100% sure his story. I know his ball handling skills aren't the best and he isn't capable of bringing the ball up when pressed. More than anything else I would say that is why Barlow played more. Byrd is a shooter and we don't need perimeter scoring with Moore, Hummel, Hart and Grant. He started out the season playing like crap and couldn't hit anything. He got benched around the time we turned it around (Hart got his minutes). After that we weren't losing and I remember Painter saying the reason Hart never played before his breakout game wasn't because he was bad in practice but rather that we were undefeated and he didn't want to mess with it. Byrd got benched for Hart and we didn't lose again until Hummel was down and Byrd was already getting minutes again.

[CubbieBum]

Bade has a very long way to go to become a useful backup post player. Purdue better hope that Marcius is fully healthy and ready to play next season.

 

What's the storry with Byrd? He was a four star. He didn't see the floor much, but when he was out there he ran around looking like he knew what he was doing (unlike Bade). I wanted to see more, but Barlow was getting the minutes over him.

 

Byrd is a guy I can see taking a big step forward next season. He's a better shooter than his numbers this year indicate, and at 6'5, he's bigger than Hart or Smith. I was not happy to see Smith out on the floor before him (or at all, for that matter).

 

Agreed although that again was probably because Smith is a much better passer. Looking at it Smith had a 2.6 A/TO ratio.

[illiniguy]

People think Michigan State was better than Purdue (with Hummel)? Seriously? Sorry, that's some dream world (wish I was living in it too. . .). No one remembers the drubbing Purdue put on the Spartans in East Lansing, I guess. Or the better record or the better non-conference resume. OK, I need a shower now.

 

 

As to the Purdue kids, Byrd is going to be good. I never thought much of Bade and wasn't exactly sure he was Purdue-caliber. Therefore, I celebrated his recruitment.

What does any of that mean? We had a better record head to head than Wisky, beat them there handily. Had a better non conference schedule with better wins, are we better than them?

[Guest]

I'd like a little help from the Illini folks here, if anyone is willing to lend a hand. I'm putting together a team map for the next few years and need input on the status of various players and recruits.

 

I originally created this because I heard we had an extra scholarship to offer with Semrau not coming back to the team next year, but I still count 12 scholarships unless someone like Stan Simpson doesn't return.

 

Thanks!

[illiniguy]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/mikpence/ILLbball.jpgIs that what you meant?

[Guest]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/mikpence/ILLbball.jpgIs that what you meant?

ha! yeah, pretty much. Didn't find that out there before I started. I think I'm putting a bit more information on mine, though, such as position and the recruits instead of just the commits.

 

I'd also like to add additional information as time goes on such as national ranking as of senior year in HS and more.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd like a little help from the Illini folks here, if anyone is willing to lend a hand. I'm putting together a team map for the next few years and need input on the status of various players and recruits.

 

I originally created this because I heard we had an extra scholarship to offer with Semrau not coming back to the team next year, but I still count 12 scholarships unless someone like Stan Simpson doesn't return.

 

Thanks!

 

To clarify, the scholarship limit is 13, not 12.

[Guest]

I'd like a little help from the Illini folks here, if anyone is willing to lend a hand. I'm putting together a team map for the next few years and need input on the status of various players and recruits.

 

I originally created this because I heard we had an extra scholarship to offer with Semrau not coming back to the team next year, but I still count 12 scholarships unless someone like Stan Simpson doesn't return.

 

Thanks!

 

To clarify, the scholarship limit is 13, not 12.

Thx - that explains the available scholarship. Not sure why I was thinking 12, to be honest.

[illiniguy]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/mikpence/ILLbball.jpgIs that what you meant?

ha! yeah, pretty much. Didn't find that out there before I started. I think I'm putting a bit more information on mine, though, such as position and the recruits instead of just the commits.

 

I'd also like to add additional information as time goes on such as national ranking as of senior year in HS and more.

Like RSCI? Or one service in particular?

[Guest]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/mikpence/ILLbball.jpgIs that what you meant?

ha! yeah, pretty much. Didn't find that out there before I started. I think I'm putting a bit more information on mine, though, such as position and the recruits instead of just the commits.

 

I'd also like to add additional information as time goes on such as national ranking as of senior year in HS and more.

Like RSCI? Or one service in particular?

I can add as many columns as would be useful. That's the advantage of setting up with the players in each row instead of the scholarships. Easy to add additional info about each player.

[illiniguy]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/mikpence/ILLbball.jpgIs that what you meant?

ha! yeah, pretty much. Didn't find that out there before I started. I think I'm putting a bit more information on mine, though, such as position and the recruits instead of just the commits.

 

I'd also like to add additional information as time goes on such as national ranking as of senior year in HS and more.

Like RSCI? Or one service in particular?

I can add as many columns as would be useful. That's the advantage of setting up with the players in each row instead of the scholarships. Easy to add additional info about each player.

Give me some time, I will try and find as many rankings as I can on the guys. I know it might be a little tougher now with some of the new commits since their rankings aren't final though.

[Guest]

For that matter, I could add information at the bottom of each column, too. So, for instance, I could add how that incoming class is ranked according to various services, etc. Instead of an image, I'll eventually have it as a table on the site with links to player pages, video, interviews, etc.

[Guest]

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/mikpence/ILLbball.jpgIs that what you meant?

ha! yeah, pretty much. Didn't find that out there before I started. I think I'm putting a bit more information on mine, though, such as position and the recruits instead of just the commits.

 

I'd also like to add additional information as time goes on such as national ranking as of senior year in HS and more.

Like RSCI? Or one service in particular?

I can add as many columns as would be useful. That's the advantage of setting up with the players in each row instead of the scholarships. Easy to add additional info about each player.

Give me some time, I will try and find as many rankings as I can on the guys. I know it might be a little tougher now with some of the new commits since their rankings aren't final though.

Cool - thanks!

[illiniguy]

Cool - thanks!

OK what I found out is RSCI

Class of '07: D.M. 71,M.T. 151, B.C. 185, M.D. 239

Class of '08: S.S. NR

Class of '09: D.J.R. 35, B.P 49, T.G. 92, J.B. 94

Class of '10 J.R. 18, M.L. 36, C.H. 59

 

Jereme is the highest guy we have gotten since Marcus Liberty. Dee was 19.

[Exile on Waveland]

People think Michigan State was better than Purdue (with Hummel)? Seriously? Sorry, that's some dream world (wish I was living in it too. . .). No one remembers the drubbing Purdue put on the Spartans in East Lansing, I guess. Or the better record or the better non-conference resume. OK, I need a shower now.

 

 

As to the Purdue kids, Byrd is going to be good. I never thought much of Bade and wasn't exactly sure he was Purdue-caliber. Therefore, I celebrated his recruitment.

What does any of that mean? We had a better record head to head than Wisky, beat them there handily. Had a better non conference schedule with better wins, are we better than them?

 

First, Illinois absolutely, positively did not have better wins non-conference than Wisconsin. That's another dream world. Second, Wisconsin had a better overall record, better Big Ten record, etc. than Illinois. That's was not the case with Michigan State and Purdue with Hummel. Records and head-to-head wins aren't dispositive, obviously. However, I see no objective calculus that shows Michigan State is better than Purdue with Hummel. I'm no Purdue fan, but they were clearly better. Hell, Purdue sans Hummel still got a better seed than Michigan State.

[bukie]

By any efficiency metric, Michigan State was definitely the 4th best team in the Big Ten this year. An argument can be made for any of the other 3 as the best (OSU, Wisconsin, Purdue), but MSU was a clear 4th.

[Exile on Waveland]

By any efficiency metric, Michigan State was definitely the 4th best team in the Big Ten this year. An argument can be made for any of the other 3 as the best (OSU, Wisconsin, Purdue), but MSU was a clear 4th.

 

I know the efficiency metrics love Wisconsin; but my eyes tell me the best teams in the Big Ten were definitely Purdue with Hummel and Ohio State. Subjective, sure. But I feel extremely confident that subjectivity is correct.

[Guest]

Cool - thanks!

OK what I found out is RSCI

Class of '07: D.M. 71,M.T. 151, B.C. 185, M.D. 239

Class of '08: S.S. NR

Class of '09: D.J.R. 35, B.P 49, T.G. 92, J.B. 94

Class of '10 J.R. 18, M.L. 36, C.H. 59

 

Jereme is the highest guy we have gotten since Marcus Liberty. Dee was 19.

Thanks - I've updated the image with the data.

[illiniguy]

People think Michigan State was better than Purdue (with Hummel)? Seriously? Sorry, that's some dream world (wish I was living in it too. . .). No one remembers the drubbing Purdue put on the Spartans in East Lansing, I guess. Or the better record or the better non-conference resume. OK, I need a shower now.

 

 

As to the Purdue kids, Byrd is going to be good. I never thought much of Bade and wasn't exactly sure he was Purdue-caliber. Therefore, I celebrated his recruitment.

What does any of that mean? We had a better record head to head than Wisky, beat them there handily. Had a better non conference schedule with better wins, are we better than them?

 

First, Illinois absolutely, positively did not have better wins non-conference than Wisconsin. That's another dream world. Second, Wisconsin had a better overall record, better Big Ten record, etc. than Illinois. That's was not the case with Michigan State and Purdue with Hummel. Records and head-to-head wins aren't dispositive, obviously. However, I see no objective calculus that shows Michigan State is better than Purdue with Hummel. I'm no Purdue fan, but they were clearly better. Hell, Purdue sans Hummel still got a better seed than Michigan State.

We had pretty good ones. Who did they beat besides Duke?

[Clem Fandango]

Kentucky Violated NCAA Rules While Recruiting Basketball-Playing Dog

[CubColtPacer]

People think Michigan State was better than Purdue (with Hummel)? Seriously? Sorry, that's some dream world (wish I was living in it too. . .). No one remembers the drubbing Purdue put on the Spartans in East Lansing, I guess. Or the better record or the better non-conference resume. OK, I need a shower now.

 

 

As to the Purdue kids, Byrd is going to be good. I never thought much of Bade and wasn't exactly sure he was Purdue-caliber. Therefore, I celebrated his recruitment.

What does any of that mean? We had a better record head to head than Wisky, beat them there handily. Had a better non conference schedule with better wins, are we better than them?

 

First, Illinois absolutely, positively did not have better wins non-conference than Wisconsin. That's another dream world. Second, Wisconsin had a better overall record, better Big Ten record, etc. than Illinois. That's was not the case with Michigan State and Purdue with Hummel. Records and head-to-head wins aren't dispositive, obviously. However, I see no objective calculus that shows Michigan State is better than Purdue with Hummel. I'm no Purdue fan, but they were clearly better. Hell, Purdue sans Hummel still got a better seed than Michigan State.

We had pretty good ones. Who did they beat besides Duke?

 

 

Just taking a quick look, it looks like Wisconsin's 3 non-conference wins of note were Duke, Maryland, and Marquette. That's compared to Vanderbilt, Clemson, and Wofford for Illinois. Unless I'm missing someone, that's an easy win for Wisconsin.

[hawkeyecub]

I'm pleased to hear that Tony Barbee is reportedly high on Iowa's list. It sounds like Auburn and DePaul are both hot after him also. So far most of the names trickling out as "expressing interest" are fairly positive.