Does Garciaparra end up in the HOF?

[Backtobanks]

From MLBTR:

 

Nomar is "widely expected" to retire. If he does, he'd bow out at age 36 with a career line of .313/.361/.521.

 

The injuries hampered him throughout his career, but the numbers look worthy.

[SouthSideRyan]

No, he'll be off after the 1st ballot

[Backtobanks]

No, he'll be off after the 1st ballot

 

He probably won't make the HOF, but I can't believe he won't get enough votes to hang around for a few years.

[OleMissCub]

HELLLL no

[SouthSideRyan]

You'd have to be an extreme peak voter, like Sandy Koufax, his best 5 years are all that matter peak. You have to remember you're dealing with the BBWAA. They've got short memories, and Nomar spent the last 5 seasons of his career putzing around getting hurt. The memory of the Red Sox winning the world series "only after they got rid of Nomar" will stick in their brainless heads. A guy that got hurt once steroid testing started will stick in their brainless heads. Nomar probably deserves to stick around the ballot for a couple years, but he doesn't deserve to be in the hall, and he certainly won't be voted in.

[Tarver]

and he certainly won't be voted in.

 

For damn good reasons. Might as well include Caminiti and Gagne by that logic. Not saying Garciaparra was a juicer, but even arguing his induction is absurd. Jim Rice was bad enough. It's going to be a farce when guys like Damon and Pierre become eligible.

[Sammy Sofa]

Meh, it's not like they were keeping the standards high by letting in Dawson.

[SouthSideRyan]

Might as well include Caminiti and Gagne by that logic. Not saying Garciaparra was a juicer,

 

Yes you are

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Nomar had a good run, but in my opinion he wasn't good enough long enough to be a HOF. His career numbers if spread over a longer period likely would be enough. And there's no doubt that he was likely a HOF before injuries did him in, but how does that distinguish him from a guy like Don Mattingly?

 

Nomar is one of those really good players that, in my opinion, doesn't quite equal HOF. Really, I don't think he's close enough to debate.

 

He's in the class of guys like Dale Murphy, Will Clark, Don Mattingly and others who were good enough for some to at one time think they belong (mainly die-hard fans of that player) but after closer scrutiny, it's clear they were just good players but not all-time greats.

[Guest]

Nomar had a good run, but in my opinion he wasn't good enough long enough to be a HOF. His career numbers if spread over a longer period likely would be enough. And there's no doubt that he was likely a HOF before injuries did him in, but how does that distinguish him from a guy like Don Mattingly?

 

Nomar is one of those really good players that, in my opinion, doesn't quite equal HOF. Really, I don't think he's close enough to debate.

 

He's in the class of guys like Dale Murphy, Will Clark, Don Mattingly and others who were good enough for some to at one time think they belong (mainly die-hard fans of that player) but after closer scrutiny, it's clear they were just good players but not all-time greats.

Nomar's peak was clearly HOF-worthy, though. His peak was one of the greatest shortstops of all time. That peak was sustained over a number of years, too. It's not that long ago that the "Holy Trinity of Shortstops" were all thought of as no-doubt HOF players.

 

Nomar is faced with the problem that to be a real HOF player, you also have to have "good" years surrounding the peak.

[Rob]

You'd have to be an extreme peak voter, like Sandy Koufax, his best 5 years are all that matter peak. You have to remember you're dealing with the BBWAA. They've got short memories, and Nomar spent the last 5 seasons of his career putzing around getting hurt. The memory of the Red Sox winning the world series "only after they got rid of Nomar" will stick in their brainless heads. A guy that got hurt once steroid testing started will stick in their brainless heads. Nomar probably deserves to stick around the ballot for a couple years, but he doesn't deserve to be in the hall, and he certainly won't be voted in.

 

Stop plagiarizing my posts before I can make them.

[Soul]

When I think about Nomar, I think about a guy who could have been HOF worthy but was injured too much. I can't see it.

[Post Count Padder]

He should be, if injuries didn't ruin his career. If he stayed healthy, he could've easily achieved HOF-worthy career stats.

[CubbieBum]

He should be, if injuries didn't ruin his career. If he stayed healthy, he could've easily achieved HOF-worthy career stats.

 

How far do you stretch that out though? Is Larry Walker a HOFer to you? He has a similar career to Nomar albeit at a different position. He dominated for multiple years winning an MVP and multiple GG's but had so many injuries at the end that his career totals aren't quite good enough.

[jersey cubs fan]

Nomar's peak was clearly HOF-worthy, though. His peak was one of the greatest shortstops of all time. That peak was sustained over a number of years, too.

 

It was like 3 years, then he lived on the reputation of that peak after the injuries started taking their toll.

[UMFan83]

I think we should vote Mark Prior into the HOF too. His rate stats are good enough.

[Guest]

Nomar's peak was clearly HOF-worthy, though. His peak was one of the greatest shortstops of all time. That peak was sustained over a number of years, too.

 

It was like 3 years, then he lived on the reputation of that peak after the injuries started taking their toll.

From 1997 through 2003, Nomar had the following OPS:

 

.875

.946

1.022

1.033

.822 (83 ab)

.880

.870

 

Sure, the three exceptional years at the beginning there are PEAK production, but each and every one of those OPS figures is really good SS production. He never had a healthy season below .870 during that seven year run. Those are all min ~600 PA seasons, too, except for the one noted. That is no-doubt, HOF-worthy production from a SS.

 

His problem is that he only had one season after that run with 500 AB (and he put up an ops of .872 that year, too).

[champaignchris]

Garciaparra had three incredible years, four above average years only one of which occurred after he turned 30, and then didn't play a whole heck of a bunch beyond that.

 

He may have played in 14 seasons, but he really only played 9 seasons worth of games.

 

If Albert Belle's prime was too brief, Nomar's certainly is.

[OleMissCub]

gotta have peak AND career length (in order to get close to the milestone stats that make us feel warm and fuzzy) for the most part to get into HOF, unless you are playing in God Mode during your peak like Koufax.

[Wilson A2000]

He should be, if injuries didn't ruin his career. If he stayed healthy, he could've easily achieved HOF-worthy career stats.

 

I think he was on roids. He might be one of those borderline HOF players that won't get in because he was on roids.

[Rob]

People really need to stop guessing who was using steroids or not. I can't tell if the whole process is more annoying or stupid, but it's definitely something that makes you look bad.

[CubbieBum]

He should be, if injuries didn't ruin his career. If he stayed healthy, he could've easily achieved HOF-worthy career stats.

 

I think he was on roids. He might be one of those borderline HOF players that won't get in because he was on roids.

 

You serious or being sarcastic?

[Magdal]

They really should build a wing for the Hall of dam good. In my mind the only 2 position players elected to the HOF in the last 15 years or so that belong there are Brett and Gwynn. (I may be forgeting somebody of their calibre, but it's late)

[Guest]

They really should build a wing for the Hall of dam good. In my mind the only 2 position players elected to the HOF in the last 15 years or so that belong there are Brett and Gwynn. (I may be forgeting somebody of their calibre, but it's late)

Ripken?

[SouthSideRyan]

They really should build a wing for the Hall of dam good. In my mind the only 2 position players elected to the HOF in the last 15 years or so that belong there are Brett and Gwynn. (I may be forgeting somebody of their calibre, but it's late)

Ripken?

 

Rickey [expletive] Henderson