Cubs Sign Xavier Nady 1/3.3 with 2 in incentives

[Rob]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

Nady after an injury is a bit risky, but Dye at his age and taking his precipitous decline into account is just as risky. Considering their bats are similar, I'll take the guy who is just bad in the outfield, as opposed to abysmal.

 

That said, I'd have honestly preferred we go after Spilborghs or Reed Johnson again... somebody who can function defensively at all 3 OF spots (above average in the corners) while mashing on lefties.

[UMFan83]

I don't see the love for Dye. He's 36 years old, his numbers took a dive last year, there has been a dramatic gap between his home/road OPS the last 2 seasons, and he's awful in the outfield.

 

Oh and there was never a promise that he would accept a 4th OFs role. Last I heard he still wanted to start.

[Rob]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

Should I post the math yet again that proves that if they have to play the field Sam Fuld is a better player than Jermaine Dye?

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see the love for Dye. He's 36 years old, his numbers took a dive last year, there has been a dramatic gap between his home/road OPS the last 2 seasons, and he's awful in the outfield.

 

Oh and there was never a promise that he would accept a 4th OFs role. Last I heard he still wanted to start.

 

It's not love, it's interest. And he doesn't get to demand anything. If he signed as the 4th OF he would be a good option. If not, no loss.

[Guest]

Pretty decent move considering the available options. He helps make this bench stronger than last year.

[Prizefight]

 

It's not love, it's interest. And he doesn't get to demand anything. If he signed as the 4th OF he would be a good option. If not, no loss.

 

 

+1

[UMFan83]

I don't see the love for Dye. He's 36 years old, his numbers took a dive last year, there has been a dramatic gap between his home/road OPS the last 2 seasons, and he's awful in the outfield.

 

Oh and there was never a promise that he would accept a 4th OFs role. Last I heard he still wanted to start.

 

It's not love, it's interest. And he doesn't get to demand anything. If he signed as the 4th OF he would be a good option. If not, no loss.

 

I'm not sure what the market's like. It's probably not good, but the last i heard he wanted to start. I'd rather have Nady who is ready to sign and accept a 4th OFs role right now than a 36 year old with major defensive issues who has declined and can't hit outside well that summer bandbox on the south side.

[JonJayCutler]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

This would be fine if Nady wasn't injured himself. I'm reading reports that TJS takes a MINIMUM of 12-14 months to fully heal. Nady had the procedure last July. So if he can't hit we should have just went with Fuld as our 4th OFer.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see the love for Dye. He's 36 years old, his numbers took a dive last year, there has been a dramatic gap between his home/road OPS the last 2 seasons, and he's awful in the outfield.

 

Oh and there was never a promise that he would accept a 4th OFs role. Last I heard he still wanted to start.

 

It's not love, it's interest. And he doesn't get to demand anything. If he signed as the 4th OF he would be a good option. If not, no loss.

 

I'm not sure what the market's like. It's probably not good, but the last i heard he wanted to start. I'd rather have Nady who is ready to sign and accept a 4th OFs role right now than a 36 year old with major defensive issues who has declined and can't hit outside well that summer bandbox on the south side.

 

I prefer Nady as well. But that doens't mean Dye wasn't an intriguing option for a needed position.

[Rob]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

This would be fine if Nady wasn't injured himself. I'm reading reports that TJS takes a MINIMUM of 12-14 months to fully heal. Nady had the procedure last July. So if he can't hit we should have just went with Fuld as our 4th OFer.

 

That's for pitchers.

 

Hitters generally get through it in 6-8 months. Sometimes less.

[Guest]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

This would be fine if Nady wasn't injured himself. I'm reading reports that TJS takes a MINIMUM of 12-14 months to fully heal. Nady had the procedure last July. So if he can't hit we should have just went with Fuld as our 4th OFer.

Can you link to those reports for hitters? I seem to recall shortstops recovering from tjs much faster than that and they have much more strain in the field than Nady will have.

[Southpaw191679666239]

According to Jon Heyman: Nady got $3.3 mil guaranteed plus $2 mil in incentives based on games played

[Sammy Sofa]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

Should I post the math yet again that proves that if they have to play the field Sam Fuld is a better player than Jermaine Dye?

 

Nobody is supporting the idea of playing Dye fulltime.

[jersey cubs fan]

According to Jon Heyman: Nady got $3.3 mil guaranteed plus $2 mil in incentives based on games played

 

Not bad. I was hoping $3 or less. Essentially Reed Johnson's money, and if others falter and he has to play 100 games it's a little more. Ideally he doesn't have to play too much.

[Sammy Sofa]

According to Jon Heyman: Nady got $3.3 mil guaranteed plus $2 mil in incentives based on games played

 

Very nice.

[dew1679666265]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

Should I post the math yet again that proves that if they have to play the field Sam Fuld is a better player than Jermaine Dye?

 

I'm not arguing that. I'm saying I'd rather have the option of Nady starting over an injured OF than the options of Fuld or Dye.

[sneakypower]

Tim Brown tweeted that we signed Nady

 

http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763

Edited January 26, 2010 by sneakypower

[JonJayCutler]

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

This would be fine if Nady wasn't injured himself. I'm reading reports that TJS takes a MINIMUM of 12-14 months to fully heal. Nady had the procedure last July. So if he can't hit we should have just went with Fuld as our 4th OFer.

Can you link to those reports for hitters? I seem to recall shortstops recovering from tjs much faster than that and they have much more strain in the field than Nady will have.

 

Most of the articles discussing Nady's TJS last summer gave the 12-14 month timeframe. This one gave a 12-18 month timeframe (fourth paragraph). I don't see anything saying its different for hitters.

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090626&content_id=5543824&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb

[Outshined_One]

According to Jon Heyman: Nady got $3.3 mil guaranteed plus $2 mil in incentives based on games played

 

Not too shabby. It's a bit much for a bench spot.

[jersey cubs fan]

Tim Brown tweeted that we signed Nady

 

http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/statuses/8243649763

 

Not sure what I think about this move.

[dew1679666265]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

Should I post the math yet again that proves that if they have to play the field Sam Fuld is a better player than Jermaine Dye?

 

Nobody is supporting the idea of playing Dye fulltime.

 

With our aging outfielders, though, having Dye on the team would raise the possibility of him starting on a full-time basis for a period of time. If we had signed Dye and Soriano had gotten hurt, our only choices would have been Fuld or Dye every day. Now, at least, we have a guy we can feel comfortable if he needs to start every day for a period of time.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see anything saying its different for hitters.

 

You've never seen that it's different for hitters? Seriously? They always say that. Pitchers can throw again earlier, they just aren't 100%. But it takes a hell of a lot more precise elbow ability to pitch than to go back to being a position player.

[OleMissCub]

solid pickup

[dew1679666265]

The fact anybody in this thread still supported Jermaine Dye is horrifying.

 

Defense aside, would you take Nady over Dye based on hitting alone? I wouldn't even if Nady was healthy, let alone coming off a second TJS surgery. Now I realize Dye is horrible defensively, but I hold firm to the position that you sign bench players for their bats, not their gloves. The only time this is not the case is when you're talking about backup catchers or defensive specialists like Blanco or Fuld. Nady is neither.

 

With an injury prone guy like Soriano in left and older players in center and right, having a guy on the bench who isn't a liability in the field is important, though. With the signing of Nady, if Soriano gets hurt for a month, we won't have to rely on only Fuld to replace him. If we had signed Dye, then we would have had the choice of starting Fuld every day or starting a DH in left every day.

 

Nady is the superior option for this team.

 

This would be fine if Nady wasn't injured himself. I'm reading reports that TJS takes a MINIMUM of 12-14 months to fully heal. Nady had the procedure last July. So if he can't hit we should have just went with Fuld as our 4th OFer.

 

Like others have said, TJS isn't the same for hitters as it is for pitchers. I'm assuming that he checked out healthwise before we agreed to the deal, so I don't see any way that he's a worse option than any of our other choices.

[JonJayCutler]

I don't see anything saying its different for hitters.

 

You've never seen that it's different for hitters? Seriously? They always say that. Pitchers can throw again earlier, they just aren't 100%. But it takes a hell of a lot more precise elbow ability to pitch than to go back to being a position player.

 

I was talking specifically about the article I posted.