Rule 5 Draft -- Cubs take Parisi from STL

[moorecg]

Thoughts? Any chance he sticks for the year?

[Electron Blue]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/parismi01.shtml

 

really struggled in limited time in the majors last year.

[Tyrant]

I hope this turns out as well as the David Patton Experience.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's a hell of a goal scorer and a lock for the Olympic team. Surprised he was available.

[Soul]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/parismi01.shtml

 

really struggled in limited time in the majors last year.

 

Yikes. He's young though, maybe he'll figure something out. Or....not. :)

[wvcbxl]

I hope this turns out as well as the David Patton Experience.

 

I fear a repeat of that experiment.

[moorecg]

STL guys say he was coming off injury last year so that might explain something

[mopapa]

I don't completely understand the Rule 5 Draft. Are any of the Cubs (major or minor league rosters) eligible to be drafted by another team?

[Little Slide Rooter]

I don't completely understand the Rule 5 Draft. Are any of the Cubs (major or minor league rosters) eligible to be drafted by another team?

 

Its all in this thread.

 

http://northsidebaseball.com/bridge/index.php?f=3&t=55273&rb_v=viewtopic

 

I dont know the exact requirements, but its minor leaguers who have been in the organization a certain amount of time without ever being on the 40 man(or maybe the 25 man) roster. Steve Clevenger, Jeremy Papelbon, and Chris Robinson were among our non protected players. None were taken.

[Guest]

I don't completely understand the Rule 5 Draft. Are any of the Cubs (major or minor league rosters) eligible to be drafted by another team?

 

It's typically not a threat. Teams generally protect the players they feel might have a shot of being picked up by other teams, but the requirements of keeping a guy on their 25 man roster all year makes it really complicate matters.

 

It's designed to protect teams from hording minor league talent and blocking the future of players who might have the potential to be major league players. Each team can protect only so many players. There are other requirements, so it's not like all unprotected players will be exposed. It's based on service time, mostly.

 

Anyway, occasionally there will be some diamonds in the rough like Johan Santana and Josh Hamilton, and because of the potential of someone like Santana, teams will take a chance on a guy knowing that if he doesn't work out, it doesn't really cost them all that much to return him to the team they drafted him from.

 

I don't place a lot of value on the crop of players the Cubs left unprotected. While there are some pretty decent prospects that are exposed, I don't believe any of them are all that much of a risk to stick with the team that drafts them, because they really aren't major league ready at this point. Typically, you only have to worry about the small market teams looting your farm system, as they are the one's who can more easily hide a player who isn't ready for the big leagues quite yet at the back end of their major league roster.

 

The best player to be drafted from the Cubs that I remember over the last several years was that MIT guy that I've now completely forgotten all about, which further proves that it's really not something to fret over too much.

 

The deeper your farm system is, however, the more likely you are to get pillaged. Typically, the small market teams are more exposed, because they end up getting a lot of minor league talent through trades and losing their "A" status free agents to big market teams.

 

That's my overall view, anyway. There are people way more knowledgeable that can probably elaborate further.

[dew1679666265]

I like these Rule 5 picks. The guys may not pitch effectively in year one, but they're cheap, young arms that can be plugged into the bullpen in the future. And since we're keeping 12 pitchers anyway, why not have that seldom-used bullpen spot on a potential arm?

 

It's a very cost effective way to bring more cheap, talented arms into the organization.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I like these Rule 5 picks. The guys may not pitch effectively in year one, but they're cheap, young arms that can be plugged into the bullpen in the future. And since we're keeping 12 pitchers anyway, why not have that seldom-used bullpen spot on a potential arm?

 

It's a very cost effective way to bring more cheap, talented arms into the organization.

 

I suppose we could make a spot for him at first and see how it works out, assuming he impresses during ST

 

Im assuming that the only guarantees on the pitching staff to start the season are

 

Z

Dempster

Wells

Marshall

Gorzo

Grabow

Marmol

Guzman

 

That leaves 4 spots between this guy, Shark, Gray, Berg, Stevens, Gaub, Caridad, Diamond, Atkins, any new pickuos or anyone else who should happen to impress during ST.

 

Im not opposed to giving this guy a shot as long as they dont do what they did with Patton and refuse to give up on the experiment no matter how bad he is.

[NonProfitCow]

Fastball at 89-91 and a good curveball. I never cared much for him, but he may be one of those pitchers who just needs a shot.

[jersey cubs fan]

I like these Rule 5 picks. The guys may not pitch effectively in year one, but they're cheap, young arms that can be plugged into the bullpen in the future. And since we're keeping 12 pitchers anyway, why not have that seldom-used bullpen spot on a potential arm?

 

It's a very cost effective way to bring more cheap, talented arms into the organization.

 

My only problem is they already have so many arms, and they are insisting on bringing in another veteran anyway. They overstock the pen and then end up paying guys to play somewhere else, and losing their own quality arms.

[Wrigley Rat]

From 2007:

Parisi doesn’t have a dominant out pitch, but he has a workable sinker that he throws in the 86-92 MPH range and he has 3 variations of a curveball he can throw for strikes. His change-up is still a work in progress, but it’s coming around.

http://futureredbirds.com/2007/04/13/a-look-at-mike-parisi/

 

Parisi is another pitcher with big league experience. Pitching for the Cardinals in 2008, the righty from Long Island went down with an elbow injury, eventually undergoing Tommy John surgery. Now he's back, and he's got a cutter. Parisi's bread-and-butter is a two-seam fastball that generally tails more than it sinks. It seems to be well complemented by the new cutter and his curveball. He's also developed into a groundball pitcher. His 57 percent groundball rate was in the top 15 of the AFL, and is a big improvement from the 42 percent he had put up in the big leagues. Parisi just came back from his injury (he threw just 15.1 innings between Rookie ball and High-A in 2009) but worked enough this fall to show he was healthy. While his velocity was down a touch, he was working as a starter in the AFL, not a reliever, and he did get his four-seam fastball up to 95 mph when he used it—his 92 mph sinker and 79 mph curveball bracketed the 87 mph cutter.

http://macksmets.blogspot.com/2009/12/rule-v-3-sps-randor-bierd-mike-parisi.html

 

When healthy, Parisi is a rotation starter with a full-array of pitches, including a 91-93 MPH four-seam fastball. a high-80's sinker, a mid-80's cutter, a straight-change, and a slow curve. Coming off a solid performance in the AFL, Parisi will likely be given an opportunity to compete for the Cubs 5th starter gig in Spring Training.

http://thecubreporter.com/2009/12/10/cubs-select-parisi-rule-5-draft-lose-sierra Edited December 10, 2009 by Wrigley Rat

[dew1679666265]

I like these Rule 5 picks. The guys may not pitch effectively in year one, but they're cheap, young arms that can be plugged into the bullpen in the future. And since we're keeping 12 pitchers anyway, why not have that seldom-used bullpen spot on a potential arm?

 

It's a very cost effective way to bring more cheap, talented arms into the organization.

 

My only problem is they already have so many arms, and they are insisting on bringing in another veteran anyway. They overstock the pen and then end up paying guys to play somewhere else, and losing their own quality arms.

 

Yeah, I wish Hendry did this and then didn't give out multi-year contracts to as many veteran relievers, but at least he's working to bring in cheap, potentially effective bullpen arms. Really, the Rule 5 draft is the perfect way to bring in middle relief arms. It only costs something like $25,000, we don't give out big money contracts and don't give up prospects.

 

I just wish we'd quit coupling these with the Grabow/Gregg/etc type signings. Bringing in proven, consistent relievers with good peripherals (few and far between) is fine, but otherwise we should rely on some of these young arms we're developing.

[dew1679666265]

Fastball at 89-91 and a good curveball. I never cared much for him, but he may be one of those pitchers who just needs a shot.

 

Doesn't sound like he has the upside Patton does, but he sounds capable of potentially being a decent middle reliever at some point.

[dew1679666265]

Im not opposed to giving this guy a shot as long as they dont do what they did with Patton and refuse to give up on the experiment no matter how bad he is.

 

Actually, since we're going with an often unused 12th pitcher anyway, I hope they don't give up on him at all this year. The positive about having a 12-man pitching staff is that you can use the Rule 5 draft to bring in a pitcher you don't plan to use much this year. It hinders the flexibility of the bench and pen some this year, but it has the potential to help in the future if Parisi/Patton develops into a quality reliever.

 

If we were going with an 11-man staff, we wouldn't have the extra spot and would have to let him go if he didn't perform immediately.

[biittner77]

Im not opposed to giving this guy a shot as long as they dont do what they did with Patton and refuse to give up on the experiment no matter how bad he is.

 

Actually, since we're going with an often unused 12th pitcher anyway, I hope they don't give up on him at all this year. The positive about having a 12-man pitching staff is that you can use the Rule 5 draft to bring in a pitcher you don't plan to use much this year. It hinders the flexibility of the bench and pen some this year, but it has the potential to help in the future if Parisi/Patton develops into a quality reliever.

 

If we were going with an 11-man staff, we wouldn't have the extra spot and would have to let him go if he didn't perform immediately.

 

The Cubs also have a lot of guys that still can be optioned to AAA when the need arises. Caridad, Stevens, Parker, Gaub, Diamond, Patton and whomever else gives the pen a lot more flexibility to hide a Rule 5 BP arm. That wasn't the case last year, particularly at the start of the season which made carrying Patton more of a liability.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Cubs f/x has an interview with Parisi, and he says he's added a cutter in the last year or so, that he plays with the break so it varies from slight cutter to small slider. Link

[Keener98]

MLB.com's Carrie Muskat says the Cubs acquired righty Arismendy Mota from the Nationals for cash considerations. Mota was taken by the Nats from the White Sox with the first pick of the Triple A phase of the Rule 5 draft yesterday.

Anybody know anything about Mota?

[Wrigley Rat]

Parisi features a fastball in the 89 to 92 MPH range and throws it 60% of the time. Parisi features four pitches. Along with the fastball, a curve in the 75 to 84 MPH range - a cutter in the 85 to 88 range - and a changeup in the 83 to 87 MPH range. Parisi has very good command of his fastball and records a lot of strikeouts with very few walks.

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2009/12/cubsrumors12139.php

[TruffleShuffle]

this guy sucks