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You're reading it wrong.

 

He's saying that teams who need to win enough to save their coach's jobs rarely succeed, and the Bears fit that bill. He says the Cowboys did succeed under that last season, but even then it feels like they didn't because they need the Super Bowl every year, whereas most teams (like the Bears) just need to make the playoffs.

 

But they didn't make the super bowl, so how could that be the case?

 

The point is it's a stupid point to make, since just last year more than one team saved their coach's job by winning, most notably Childress. And it's been done many many times.

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You're reading it wrong.

 

He's saying that teams who need to win enough to save their coach's jobs rarely succeed, and the Bears fit that bill. He says the Cowboys did succeed under that last season, but even then it feels like they didn't because they need the Super Bowl every year, whereas most teams (like the Bears) just need to make the playoffs.

 

But they didn't make the super bowl, so how could that be the case?

 

The point is it's a stupid point to make, since just last year more than one team saved their coach's job by winning, most notably Childress. And it's been done many many times.

 

Yeah, what about Coughlin, who was being head hunted in New York and then won the Super Bowl? Most pundits thought his days were numbered too. Then suddenly, he breaks through.

 

It most definitely can happen. And I'm not saying it will with Lovie.

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Peter King released his preseason rankings....

 

Green Bay #1

 

Chicago #25

 

25. Chicago. The Mike Martz-Jay Cutler marriage could work, or it could explode. The defense will be solid, assuming Julius Peppers comes to play, but he can't solve everything on a unit that allowed 375 points last year.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/05/16/ranking/index.html

lol

 

Meh, I expect projections to go all over the place this preseason. I think 25 is not outrageous, nor is something like 10th. The Bears have been a pretty unpredictable team the last few years. Everyone expected another SB berth in 07, only to see the team go 7-9. Then everyone including myself expected the Bears to be really awful, think 5-11 bad, and instead they were one win away from the playoffs at 9-7. Then the Bears went out and got Jay Cutler and Orlando Pace in the offseason and people were talking about being at the top of the NFC, possible Super Bowl team and instead they went 7-9 and looked awful.

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I stopped reading after he had the Packers at #1. They'll be good, but they won't be THE team in 2010.

 

He rated them number 1 then went out and talked about how bad their defense is, and did the same thing with his number 2 selection.

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It's the NFL. By week 7 all that matters will be how healthy you are.

 

Not really.

 

You got your really good teams and your really bad teams, most of the rest can go either way. 25th isn't surprising to me, but I think it's low. My guess is they will remain closer to the middle, like the 10-20 range.

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Peter King has enough trouble with coherent analysis during the season itself. I wouldn't give his "ranking" in May any more validity than I would bathroom graffiti.
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Which could happen, of course.

 

Ultimately I just don't think Peter King brings much to the table as a football "expert."

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I really don't see Tennessee or Chicago being in the bottom of the league like King suggests. Tennessee is going with Young from day 1 and the Bears should almost be better by default no?

 

Of course it's the NFL and they could end up being horrible.

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Didn't he pretty consistently drub the Bears in '06, too?

 

He just doesn't pick well when it comes to the Bears. A King pick in the mid 20's is probably a good thing :)

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The fluffier the off season fluff pieces are the worse the Bears play.

 

I'll never forget how the media made Rex and the offense look All-World going into 2007.

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Anybody see the article about Tillman moving over to the right CB spot? Bowman is apparentely going to be the LCB because he's able to be more physical at this point. I kinda like the move. Peanut is getting up there and it's easier to replace him at RCB (typically against #2 WRs) and it's a good way to see if Bowman will sink or swim as the main guy. Plus, I still think Tillman can do a pretty good job on a lot of #2s, and if you aren't going to shut down the #1 WRs anyway, you might as well try to bump them, shutdown the #2 WRs and leave your LBs and safeties to help out on the #1 and the TE.
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The fluffier the off season fluff pieces are the worse the Bears play.

 

I'll never forget how the media made Rex and the offense look All-World going into 2007.

 

OMG OMG John Clayton said the Bears offense is the best thing he's seen in training camp so far! (2007)

 

Jay Cutler is throwing bullets all over the field, he's making Devin Hester look like an all pro receiver (2009)

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The fluffier the off season fluff pieces are the worse the Bears play.

 

I'll never forget how the media made Rex and the offense look All-World going into 2007.

 

OMG OMG John Clayton said the Bears offense is the best thing he's seen in training camp so far! (2007)

 

Jay Cutler is throwing bullets all over the field, he's making Devin Hester look like an all pro receiver (2009)

 

Yeah, I bought that pretty hard. Here are some choice quotes of Bears training camp 2007.

 

I think the first game of the season this year might well match the NFC team with the most talented 53-man roster (Chicago) against the AFC team with the most talented 53-man roster (San Diego). What an Armageddon game for the NFL's opening weekend. That is far and away the best game of Week 1.

 

I think Greg Olsen, the first-round pick from Miami, looks like a man among boys on some of his pass routes. He's a head taller than some linebackers who try to cover him, and head-and-shoulders taller than the corners. Looks athletic too, with good hands.

 

The Bears have a rock star. His name is Devin Hester.

 

He went into motion from left to wide right on one play in last night's team work, and the crowd began chattering in anticipation. There is a rising oooooooohhhhHHHHHHHHH from the crowd every time he leaves the line of scrimmage. And at the end of practice, walking off the field, this is what he hears from the fans waiting for autographs: "We want HESTER! We want HESTER!''

 

As I watched practice with veteran Chicago Tribune scribe John Mullin, he described Hestermania by saying, "It's not training camp here. It's the Devin Hester Experience. He's like a theme park.''

 

This summer, however, the Monsters of the Midway have electrified fans with their offense. And it's more than just a revitalized Cedric Benson splitting the middle of the Bears' defense with a fast run up the gut. Devin Hester, the pinball whiz on returns and converted defensive back, is wowing Bears fans and burning defenders with his pass-catching skills at wideout. Rookie tight end Greg Olsen is stretching the field and catching everything within grasp. Tiny halfback Garrett Wolfe (5-foot-7, 177 pounds) looks like he's on fast-forward on sweeps and short passes in the flat.

 

So far, Chicago's offense has been the best thrill ride in the summer tour of training camps.

 

Wolfe, meanwhile, brings a Dave Meggett-type option to the offense. He catches the ball well and is quick. Each day in practice, the Bears unveil new packages to showcase the increased speed and athleticism to their offense. Sometimes, they will go with two tight ends Desmond Clark and Olsen, who is second only to Vernon Davis as the league's fastest tight end. And while all this is going on, Bernard Berrian -- developing as the team's No. 1 wide receiver option -- is burning cornerbacks with his speed on crossing routes and long passes.

 

All of the sudden, the Bears, who usually look as slow and methodical as a Big Ten offense, have speed and lighting-like scoring ability.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp07/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2956884

 

That whole John Clayon article would be hilarious if it weren't so sad.

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I think the first game of the season this year might well match the NFC team with the most talented 53-man roster (Chicago) against the AFC team with the most talented 53-man roster (San Diego). What an Armageddon game for the NFL's opening weekend. That is far and away the best game of Week 1.

 

 

They were clearly the most talented roster in January 2007, I really don't think it was a stretch to say they were the most talented in the summer of 2007. Unfortunately, they were also very poorly coached and a lot of that talent either stopped developing or capsized, and they also didn't bring in any fresh talent so the talent level stagnated and began to decline in comparison to others.

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