Re: 2009-10 Chicago Bulls Thread

[Sammy Sofa]

Do the Bulls even care? There is no excuse for a professional team to give up 130 points. So has this team even care?

 

As for the draft pick swap....it won't matter as I think the Bulls will be trading the pick.

 

Well I'm sure they care to come degree. But when you have a team where over half the players will be FAs after the season, and most of them are highly unlikely to be back, what motivation is there to play team ball? I don't see a lot of selfish play offensively but defensively whose gonna call them out if they aren't trying their hardest. It's doubtful slacking off on defense is going to change how much you will make next year. It might not even be intentional, but it's probably there.

 

Oh, and also it has to do with the fact that Noah, Thomas and even Salmons were 3 of the Bulls better defensive players. On RealGM, someone pointed out that the Bulls only gave up 100 points only 9 times in 29 games this season with Tyrus in the lineup. Since the trades, the Bulls have given up 100 points in 7 of their last 9 games, including the last 7 in a row.

 

Yes, but ideally Salmons and Tyrus will be replaced with much better players, so phooey on this year.

[Wilson A2000]

3.6 mil over 5 years, when nike can pay him 50 mil to move to new york or chicago. cleveland should be afraid, very afraid.

 

Will he really make that much more from Nike by moving to NYC? It's not like you cant put him on a billboard there if he stats in Cleveland.

[ConstableRabbit]

3.6 mil over 5 years, when nike can pay him 50 mil to move to new york or chicago. cleveland should be afraid, very afraid.

 

Will he really make that much more from Nike by moving to NYC? It's not like you cant put him on a billboard there if he stats in Cleveland.

He doesn't make a NYC or Chicago clause in his contract, but that contract expires this year. You could make the argument that if he signs in a large market, he'd have more negotiating power with Nike.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/27925375/LeBron_James_Has_No_New_York_Nike_Bonus

[Flames24Rulz]

Do the Bulls even care? There is no excuse for a professional team to give up 130 points. So has this team even care?

 

As for the draft pick swap....it won't matter as I think the Bulls will be trading the pick.

 

We're just not that good. It's tough to win games when you only have two legitimate NBA players in your rotation with one of them suffering another injury tonight.

 

I don't really care. If we make the playoffs, we'll lose in embarrassing fashion.

[BigSlick]

Who was the poster hounding me for saying that the trades made us worse. I'm not a "I told you so guy" and you even seemed right at the time but this team is now in complete free fall mode and has another 4-5 games in a row they wont win.

 

I'm also prepared for the inevitable "blargh blech injuries blarhg blech blargh" response

[Sammy Sofa]

Who was the poster hounding me for saying that the trades made us worse. I'm not a "I told you so guy" and you even seemed right at the time but this team is now in complete free fall mode and has another 4-5 games in a row they wont win.

 

I'm also prepared for the inevitable "blargh blech injuries blarhg blech blargh" response

 

I highly doubt anyone was "hounding" you. What several have pointed out is that the dip from the trade has been compounded by the health of the team. It's still a huge overstatement to act like Tyrus and Salmons were difference makers. I know that I said, and still do, that the difference in the team before and after the trade would be marginal if the Bulls were fully healthy.

 

Though given that you're apparently just going to ignore the injury/health issue, well, I guess that says a lot. Not having Noah at all and a banged up, sick Deng has had much more of an impact than losing Tyrus and Salmons.

[imb]

The difference isn't $400,000, Sully. The 2.5 percent difference in raises comes out to more than that.

 

For example, this summer, the Cavs can offer LeBron a six-year deal that's worth $125.5 million. Every other team can offer him a five-year deal worth $96.1 million.

 

Over the first five years of the deal, the Cavs' contract would be worth $100.2 million. So, you're talking a little more than $4 million difference over the course of five years.

 

We've already talked about the five vs. six years thing, but there's no way that a 6/$125 million deal isn't significantly more attractive than 5/$96 million.

 

ahh, there we go. sulley, your move.

 

the raises aren't factored correctly. and i was wrong, the cavs can offer more than 400,000, my math was bad.

 

here's the nuts and bolts of the deals that can be offered and the totals by year.

 

year 1, the deals start out the same. 17.4 million.

 

year 2, with raise, the cavs can offer 19,227,00, another team can offer 18,792,000.

 

year 3, cavs = 21,245,835, and another team = 20,295,360

 

year 4 cavs = 23,476,647 other team = 22,426,372

 

year 5 cavs = 25,941,694 other team = 24,781,141

 

total cavs= 107,291,176 other team = 103,694,873

 

difference = 3,596,303

 

the 6th year, lebron will be making 28,665,571 and 26,020,198 is the least amount anyone else can pay him at this time just for anyone's edification.

 

3.6 mil over 5 years, when nike can pay him 50 mil to move to new york or chicago. cleveland should be afraid, very afraid.

 

look at all that math you had to do to ultimately prove me right. the king stay the king

[Flames24Rulz]

Who was the poster hounding me for saying that the trades made us worse. I'm not a "I told you so guy" and you even seemed right at the time but this team is now in complete free fall mode and has another 4-5 games in a row they wont win.

 

I'm also prepared for the inevitable "blargh blech injuries blarhg blech blargh" response

 

I still thought we were a top eight team in the East, but again that was before Noah's foot injury became much more serious than we initially thought. Noah's really showing how valuable he is to this team since he's been out; primarily on the defensive end.

 

So I guess I was wrong, but it's really hard to claim someone as being right because we'll never really know how this team would've performed with a 100% Noah for the final month and a half of the season.

[17 Seconds]

Who was the poster hounding me for saying that the trades made us worse. I'm not a "I told you so guy" and you even seemed right at the time but this team is now in complete free fall mode and has another 4-5 games in a row they wont win.

 

I'm also prepared for the inevitable "blargh blech injuries blarhg blech blargh" response

 

i like how you try to negate solid reasoning by saying "blah blah blech blargh" and then expect everybody to not bring it up anymore.

[SpongeWorthy]

I strongly contend that anyone who thinks losing Salmons/Tyrus for Flip/Warrick hasn't been a significant downgrade isn't watching the games. The perimeter defense has been terrible since Fish left and there's no Tyrus to help clean it up in the paint.

 

No doubt losing Noah has shredded our team D but so has trading Salmons and Tyrus. It's blindingly obvious. It's not that they're so great...it's that the alternatives are so much worse--arguably among the very worst players in the entire league that get significant minutes.

[Tyrant]

It's still a huge overstatement to act like Tyrus and Salmons were difference makers.

 

Maybe not difference makers, but they're a lot better than the guys who replaced them. Warrick might be the worst defensive forward in the NBA and Flip Murray shoots like a drunk Kirk Hinrich. They downgraded at two positions and are worse because of it.

 

But I do still agree with you that the big difference has been health in this recent stretch. Combine that with a downgrade in talent and you'll get some ugly results.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

look at all that math you had to do to ultimately prove me right. the king stay the king

 

i doubt you were right about the amount. you were speeding around in your rocket car throwing tens of millions of dollars around like it was raining warren buffets.

 

lebron farts on less than a million a year. the fact that urkel is from chicago is probably worth more to him than 3.6 million over 5 years.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's still a huge overstatement to act like Tyrus and Salmons were difference makers.

 

Maybe not difference makers, but they're a lot better than the guys who replaced them. Warrick might be the worst defensive forward in the NBA and Flip Murray shoots like a drunk Kirk Hinrich. They downgraded at two positions and are worse because of it.

 

But I do still agree with you that the big difference has been health in this recent stretch. Combine that with a downgrade in talent and you'll get some ugly results.

 

Exactly. Health has been the biggest issue. A downgrade in the talent of the team given the nature of the trades shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. I mean, really, who thought the Bulls were going to get back players of equal or greater value when they were trying to just dump salary and a malcontent? That downgrade has just been compounded by health issues, specifically losing their second most critical player indefinitely.

[Soul]

The loss of Noah has to be the primary factor. Although at times Tyrus would produce, it was too inconsistent to say he was a difference maker. Also, Tyrus was out for awhile as well.

 

No Noah + bad Deng = not even Rose can pull us into the win column.

 

It's just a waste right now. Hurry up offseason.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think what makes it stick out to people is that at full strength pre-trade the Bulls has just enough middling talent to go along with their core to make it look like they were serviceable team, when in actuality they were clinging to that by their fingernails.

[UMFan83]

The loss of Noah has to be the primary factor. Although at times Tyrus would produce, it was too inconsistent to say he was a difference maker. Also, Tyrus was out for awhile as well.

 

No Noah + bad Deng = not even Rose can pull us into the win column.

 

It's just a waste right now. Hurry up offseason.

 

Regarding Tyrus....Bulls and Tyrus started out the season 2-2, Tyrus is hurt, Bulls go 10-15, Tyrus comes back, Bulls go 15-8, Tyrus leaves again, Bulls go 4-7 so far.

 

Again its hard to come out and say he's the reason considering how sporatic his PT was, and hundreds of other variables at play, but it's a stat so take it for what it's worth

[Sammy Sofa]

The loss of Noah has to be the primary factor. Although at times Tyrus would produce, it was too inconsistent to say he was a difference maker. Also, Tyrus was out for awhile as well.

 

No Noah + bad Deng = not even Rose can pull us into the win column.

 

It's just a waste right now. Hurry up offseason.

 

Regarding Tyrus....Bulls and Tyrus started out the season 2-2, Tyrus is hurt, Bulls go 10-15, Tyrus comes back, Bulls go 15-8, Tyrus leaves again, Bulls go 4-7 so far.

 

Again its hard to come out and say he's the reason considering how sporatic his PT was, and hundreds of other variables at play, but it's a stat so take it for what it's worth

 

It's far too selective a stat. Isn't when the Bulls went 15-8 also basically lining up with when Rose started playing at full strength?

[Soul]

The loss of Noah has to be the primary factor. Although at times Tyrus would produce, it was too inconsistent to say he was a difference maker. Also, Tyrus was out for awhile as well.

 

No Noah + bad Deng = not even Rose can pull us into the win column.

 

It's just a waste right now. Hurry up offseason.

 

Regarding Tyrus....Bulls and Tyrus started out the season 2-2, Tyrus is hurt, Bulls go 10-15, Tyrus comes back, Bulls go 15-8, Tyrus leaves again, Bulls go 4-7 so far.

 

Again its hard to come out and say he's the reason considering how sporatic his PT was, and hundreds of other variables at play, but it's a stat so take it for what it's worth

 

It's far too selective a stat. Isn't when the Bulls went 15-8 also basically lining up with when Rose started playing at full strength?

 

Yeah, I do remember at around the time Tyrus came back we starting winning more, but it's hard to say that Tyrus was the primary reason.

[illiniguy]

Bloops, Deron just dunked on Rose's head.

That was pretty awesome. These are easily my two favorite point guards in the league.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, I do remember at around the time Tyrus came back we starting winning more, but it's hard to say that Tyrus was the primary reason.

 

I also rememeber plenty of games when they were winning where I was wishing that Gibson was out there instead of Tyrus. Tyrus certainly had his moments, but there were plenty of games where het got time while they were winning where he was basically a non-factor.

[BigSlick]

Someone literally quoted me twice and asked for a response, yes that qualifies as 'hounding' me.

 

I don't even want to be smug about this, I just want you guys to realize how confrontational and argumentative you can sometimes be on a throwaway comment. Just let things be.

Edited March 10, 2010 by BigSlick

[Sammy Sofa]

Thoughts and prayers.

[SpongeWorthy]

So Deng's going to be out "a while" and Gibson is gimping around with plantar fasciitis as well and may not play tonight.

 

JOY

[David]

Bloops, Deron just dunked on Rose's head.

That was pretty awesome. These are easily my two favorite point guards in the league.

 

It was a clear offensive foul, though. Deron blatantly pushed off.

[Garwilly]

Bloops, Deron just dunked on Rose's head.

That was pretty awesome. These are easily my two favorite point guards in the league.

 

It was a clear offensive foul, though. Deron blatantly pushed off.

 

I didn't get to see the play until after I read the descriptions here, I was expecting a true posterization, not a 2 on 1.