Re: 2009-10 Chicago Bulls Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

i think the exposure bosh gets in an american city will more than trump whatever toronto can give him. he's a very marketable personality, perhaps even more interesting than lebron.

 

I don't get what you are saying. Either he's possibly more marketable than Lebron, which isn't true, or that he's more interesting than Lebron, which is meaningless since there's nothing interesting about Lebron's personality.

 

lebron hosted the [expletive] espy's, i think he's got a pretty marketable personality.

 

Really? First off, the espy's are a joke, and I don't know anybody that has ever watched them. But I also cannot think of anything interesting about Lebron, other than the fact that he's really good at basketball and rich as a mofo.

[Tyrant]

lebron hosted the [expletive] espy's, i think he's got a pretty marketable personality.

 

The ESPY's? That's your argument?

[17 Seconds]

sulley maybe you should pump the brakes a bit

[SpongeWorthy]

I think Lebron is a pretty engaging guy as far as superstar athletes go. He's not quite as buttoned up as Brady or Tiger (or at least Tiger was). Mainly, he's just comfortable in his skin in a Manning kind of way.

 

I mean if Derrick Rose were the best player in the NBA the poor guy would probably shrink away into a corner and only come out for games.

[Garwilly]

If I ever knew LeBron hosted the ESPYs, I completely forgot.

[SpongeWorthy]

He did host SNL.

[ConstableRabbit]

I think Lebron is a pretty engaging guy as far as superstar athletes go. He's not quite as buttoned up as Brady or Tiger (or at least Tiger was). Mainly, he's just comfortable in his skin in a Manning kind of way.

 

I mean if Derrick Rose were the best player in the NBA the poor guy would probably shrink away into a corner and only come out for games.

If D-Rose were the best player in the NBA the league would pay for public speaking, intonation, grammar, and vocabulary classes like I'm sure they did for Lebron.

[Magnetic Curses]

okay, the espy's was a bad example. but he's one of the more engaging superstars in history.

[Magnetic Curses]

lebron hosted the [expletive] espy's, i think he's got a pretty marketable personality.

 

The ESPY's? That's your argument?

 

are you saying lebron's personality isn't marketed. he's a big clown.

 

isn't he always dancing during games or something. why was noah mad at him again?

[imb]

The difference isn't $400,000, Sully. The 2.5 percent difference in raises comes out to more than that.

 

For example, this summer, the Cavs can offer LeBron a six-year deal that's worth $125.5 million. Every other team can offer him a five-year deal worth $96.1 million.

 

Over the first five years of the deal, the Cavs' contract would be worth $100.2 million. So, you're talking a little more than $4 million difference over the course of five years.

 

We've already talked about the five vs. six years thing, but there's no way that a 6/$125 million deal isn't significantly more attractive than 5/$96 million.

 

ahh, there we go. sulley, your move.

[SpongeWorthy]

This is a pretty sick PG match up right here.

[SpongeWorthy]

Bloops, Deron just dunked on Rose's head.

[Derwood]

I just clicked on ESPN's feed of the game and the current lineup is Pargo, Johnson, Warrick, Richard and Murray. No wonder the Bulls are losing

[bcl412]

I haven't actually watched a Bulls win in a long time. The last win I actually watched would have been the Knicks game on February 16th. Stupid Bulls.

[Soul]

Down down spiraling down

[bcl412]

What happened to this team's defense?

[UMFan83]

Bulls have fallen from 6th place to out of the playoffs in a week.

 

The Bulls are on a 5 game losing streak.

The Bucks are 10-1 in their last 11 after beating Boston tonight

Miami had won 3 in a row until losing to Charlotte tonight

Charlotte has won 3 in a row.

 

So the Bulls are in a free fall while the other playoff contenders won't lose. Bad combo. I really don't know what to think of this team anymore. Joakim is hurt, and we are playing hard teams, great whatever. You just lost 4 home games in a row. What kind of semi decent team does that?

[UMFan83]

This could be mostly a fluke, but I strongly believe this team played better when Tyrus was on the team and playing a role. Even if it was for 15 minutes a night.

 

18-11 Bulls record when Tyrus played in a game for us this year

13-21 Bulls record when Tyrus didn't play in a game for us this year

[UMFan83]

Also, its gonna be hilarious when we trade John Salmons to the Bucks, he plays well and is just what they need as they catch fire and make the playoffs while we sputter out of the playoffs, and then we still have to swap picks, getting the 17th pick instead of the 11th pick. I know we needed to get rid of Salmons, and I don't know what other offers were out there, if there were other offers, so I'm not going to criticize Pax for anything other than not getting rid of Hinrich instead, but what a horrible trade for us in terms of this season.

[Sammy Sofa]

Though this season doesn't really matter.

 

It just wasn't realistic to have it both ways. Either they hold on to the middling support talent they have and maybe they contend but end up stuck with the salaries or they move what they can to free up cash. And sure, swapping picks with the Bucks would be mildly annoying, but they also have the pick they got for Tyrus.

[UMFan83]

Though this season doesn't really matter.

 

It just wasn't realistic to have it both ways. Either they hold on to the middling support talent they have and maybe they contend but end up stuck with the salaries or they move what they can to free up cash. And sure, swapping picks with the Bucks would be mildly annoying, but they also have the pick they got for Tyrus.

 

Yeah thats why I qualified everything I said with "I know it had to be done". I'm all for what they did, and like I said I don't know what else was out there. But in a perfect world, the Bucks weren't the only team willing to take Salmons, and other teams were interested in Kirk instead of Salmons.

[Sammy Sofa]

I still think keeping Kirk was more an issue of what Rose wanted as opposed to not being able to move him. Based on the rumors it sounds like it actually would have been easier to move Kirk instead of Salmons.

[RedFlash]

Do the Bulls even care? There is no excuse for a professional team to give up 130 points. So has this team even care?

 

As for the draft pick swap....it won't matter as I think the Bulls will be trading the pick.

[UMFan83]

Do the Bulls even care? There is no excuse for a professional team to give up 130 points. So has this team even care?

 

As for the draft pick swap....it won't matter as I think the Bulls will be trading the pick.

 

Well I'm sure they care to come degree. But when you have a team where over half the players will be FAs after the season, and most of them are highly unlikely to be back, what motivation is there to play team ball? I don't see a lot of selfish play offensively but defensively whose gonna call them out if they aren't trying their hardest. It's doubtful slacking off on defense is going to change how much you will make next year. It might not even be intentional, but it's probably there.

 

Oh, and also it has to do with the fact that Noah, Thomas and even Salmons were 3 of the Bulls better defensive players. On RealGM, someone pointed out that the Bulls only gave up 100 points only 9 times in 29 games this season with Tyrus in the lineup. Since the trades, the Bulls have given up 100 points in 7 of their last 9 games, including the last 7 in a row.

[Magnetic Curses]

The difference isn't $400,000, Sully. The 2.5 percent difference in raises comes out to more than that.

 

For example, this summer, the Cavs can offer LeBron a six-year deal that's worth $125.5 million. Every other team can offer him a five-year deal worth $96.1 million.

 

Over the first five years of the deal, the Cavs' contract would be worth $100.2 million. So, you're talking a little more than $4 million difference over the course of five years.

 

We've already talked about the five vs. six years thing, but there's no way that a 6/$125 million deal isn't significantly more attractive than 5/$96 million.

 

ahh, there we go. sulley, your move.

 

the raises aren't factored correctly. and i was wrong, the cavs can offer more than 400,000, my math was bad.

 

here's the nuts and bolts of the deals that can be offered and the totals by year.

 

year 1, the deals start out the same. 17.4 million.

 

year 2, with raise, the cavs can offer 19,227,00, another team can offer 18,792,000.

 

year 3, cavs = 21,245,835, and another team = 20,295,360

 

year 4 cavs = 23,476,647 other team = 22,426,372

 

year 5 cavs = 25,941,694 other team = 24,781,141

 

total cavs= 107,291,176 other team = 103,694,873

 

difference = 3,596,303

 

the 6th year, lebron will be making 28,665,571 and 26,020,198 is the least amount anyone else can pay him at this time just for anyone's edification.

 

3.6 mil over 5 years, when nike can pay him 50 mil to move to new york or chicago. cleveland should be afraid, very afraid.