Re: 2009-10 Chicago Bulls Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think you can say the Knicks are all but guarantee to sign Lebron James. I mean, come on, just becuase they are New York, Lebron doesn't need New York for endorsement deals. Just because Nike wants him there doesn't mean he want to go there. I still think he is more likely to sign the NY/NJ/Brooklyn Nets, because A: he still be in the NY market, B: he is friends with Jay-Z who is a part owner, C: Nets have more talent on the team (Harris, Lopez, Yi, CDR) which could make winning easier then NY. Callme naive, but I believe Lenron when he says it's about winning. I know it's a risk, but I could see Lebron taking another short-term deal with Cleveland before signing with the Knicks, especially if Cleveland makes the final.

 

The Nets don't have more talent than anybody. They're 3-37.

 

What kind of logic is that? They most certaintly do have talent and moreso then New York. The records was based on their best talent being injured and non-effective at the beginning of the year.

 

Beginning of the year? They've lost 9 in a row, and before that it was 10.

[SpongeWorthy]

Yeah, records aren't a perfect way to compare talent levels...but 3-37 speaks volumes.

 

The 95-96 Bulls started 41-3...this is almost as incredible.

[RedFlash]

I don't think you can say the Knicks are all but guarantee to sign Lebron James. I mean, come on, just becuase they are New York, Lebron doesn't need New York for endorsement deals. Just because Nike wants him there doesn't mean he want to go there. I still think he is more likely to sign the NY/NJ/Brooklyn Nets, because A: he still be in the NY market, B: he is friends with Jay-Z who is a part owner, C: Nets have more talent on the team (Harris, Lopez, Yi, CDR) which could make winning easier then NY. Callme naive, but I believe Lenron when he says it's about winning. I know it's a risk, but I could see Lebron taking another short-term deal with Cleveland before signing with the Knicks, especially if Cleveland makes the final.

 

The Nets don't have more talent than anybody. They're 3-37.

 

What kind of logic is that? They most certaintly do have talent and moreso then New York. The records was based on their best talent being injured and non-effective at the beginning of the year.

 

Beginning of the year? They've lost 9 in a row, and before that it was 10.

 

 

Just like winning, losing is contagious. But again losing doesnt mean the Nets don't have talent

[jersey cubs fan]

Just like winning, losing is contagious. But again losing doesnt mean the Nets don't have talent

 

Neither of those things are contagious, and losing that frequently, for that long amount of time, puts a serious dent in any "they have more talent" claim.

[RedFlash]

Just like winning, losing is contagious. But again losing doesnt mean the Nets don't have talent

 

Neither of those things are contagious, and losing that frequently, for that long amount of time, puts a serious dent in any "they have more talent" claim.

 

No it doesn't. So Devin Harris isn't considered a talent? Brook Lopez? Chris Douglas-Roberts? Yi? The Nets lopsing is a combination of injuries, the players not executing, and the coaching absolutely reeking. Even if the Nets finished with 10-15 wins, that doesn't mean they are lacking talent. You want to see a team lacking talent, lack at the immediate post-Jordan Bulls teams.

[illiniguy]

Just like winning, losing is contagious. But again losing doesnt mean the Nets don't have talent

 

Neither of those things are contagious, and losing that frequently, for that long amount of time, puts a serious dent in any "they have more talent" claim.

 

No it doesn't. So Devin Harris isn't considered a talent? Brook Lopez? Chris Douglas-Roberts? Yi? The Nets lopsing is a combination of injuries, the players not executing, and the coaching absolutely reeking. Even if the Nets finished with 10-15 wins, that doesn't mean they are lacking talent. You want to see a team lacking talent, lack at the immediate post-Jordan Bulls teams.

Devin Harris and Brook Lopez are good. The rest of those guys you mentioned aren't all that much to get excited about. I guess Yi is still young, but Its hard to get too fired up for a 7 footer who shuts sub 43% from the field and averages about 6 boards a game.

[RedFlash]

Devin Harris and Brook Lopez are good. The rest of those guys you mentioned aren't all that much to get excited about. I guess Yi is still young, but Its hard to get too fired up for a 7 footer who shuts sub 43% from the field and averages about 6 boards a game.

 

I didn't say I was "fired up" for the talent on the Nets, I said they have talent, more specifically legit NBA talent on the team. Enough talent for say a guy like Lebron James could come in and legitimately improve. Not to mentio Devin Harris and Brook Lopez is beyong anything the Knicks have on their roster, regardless of how much hype Knicks fans give their players. With that said I could see James going to Miami and teaming up with Wade with the Heat.

[Sammy Sofa]

We shall see. I would be very surprised if he ended up in Miami.

[RedFlash]

We shall see. I would be very surprised if he ended up in Miami.

 

It's more probably then New York. At least in Miami he can play with a 2nd legit superstar, continuing winning, not pay state taxes and not have to deal with the NY media, with the benefits of still adding endorsement deals. I don't see how New York is more viable then Miami, to be honest. If I was a superstar, I'd take Miami over New York.

[Sammy Sofa]

You're generalizing too much and ignoring all the reasons why he'd want to go to somewhere like NYC. Unless he just dicking around, LeBron has dropped a ton of hints that he wants to go to New York and absolutely nothing that indicates he wants to go anywhere else. For all we know he WANTS the media attention that comes with that market. Again, he goes there he gets a team built for him in the biggest market in the world for a storied team with much more of a legacy than the Heat (think about it: no team has the history of the Celtics, Lakers and Knicks. Two of those teams have been "claimed" by superstars already). Any winning that team does will be looked at has happening because of him over anyone else. If he goes to Miami that's not his team. In New York he gets his team built just for him. Guys are gonna want to play with LeBron and the Knicks have a ton of money to spend. The Heat do not. If he can talk Wade into coming to NYC it'll come across like Wade came to him, not vice versa. You simply cannot discount ego in all of this. If he was just about money and the basic idea of winning, yeah Miami makes sense. You put ego in there and it doesn't.

[UMFan83]

He's given us "hints", but I don't think they mean he's definitely going to New York. He just wants people to keep talking about him and he enjoys throwing hints out there because of that. I've seen him say things that were pro-returning to Cleveland as well, though not as much as the pro-New York statements.

[SouthSideRyan]

think about it: no team has the history of the Celtics, Lakers and Knicks.

 

Huh? What history do the Knicks have on a handful of other NBA teams?

 

A .498 winning percentage

Tied with the Hawks for 5th for most playoff appearances

10th in Division championships with 8.

2 NBA titles, less than the Pistons, Warriors, 76ers, Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, and Lakers

Edited January 22, 2010 by SouthSideRyan

[Derwood]

think about it: no team has the history of the Celtics, Lakers and Knicks.

 

Huh? What history do the Knicks have on a handful of other NBA teams?

 

1970 and 1972 NBA Champions, duh

[UMFan83]

think about it: no team has the history of the Celtics, Lakers and Knicks.

 

Huh? What history do the Knicks have on a handful of other NBA teams?

 

A .498 winning percentage

Tied with the Hawks for 5th for most playoff appearances

10th in Division championships with 8.

2 NBA titles, less than the Pistons, Warriors, 76ers, Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, and Lakers

 

Yeah but John Starks dunked over Jordan once.

[Cubswin11]

think about it: no team has the history of the Celtics, Lakers and Knicks.

 

Huh? What history do the Knicks have on a handful of other NBA teams?

 

A .498 winning percentage

Tied with the Hawks for 5th for most playoff appearances

10th in Division championships with 8.

2 NBA titles, less than the Pistons, Warriors, 76ers, Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, and Lakers

 

Yeah but John Starks dunked over Jordan once.

Outside of the fact that they play in the largest media market in the world and the media somehow feels it's a disservice to sports when NY teams are bad (and not only do they deserve the best players but everything about them is overblown), they are a very AVERAGE NBA franchise over the course of their history.

[RedFlash]

think about it: no team has the history of the Celtics, Lakers and Knicks. this.

 

( :rotfl:

 

I'll give you Madison Square Garden (even tho I think it' s the most overrated sporting venue in America), Willis Reed, the rigging of the Patrick Ewing lottery, and a legacy of playoff failure. But to put the Knicks in the same sentence as the Lakers and the Celts in terms of history is like saying Paris Hilton is as great of an actress as Helen Mirra because they starred in the same movie once. (Raising Helen).

 

Lebron certainly does not need NY to sell the brand of "Lebron James". It is NY and Nike that wants him in NY. Personally, Lebron can sell his name anywhere, from Seattle, Washington to the Fiji Islands. So this whole notice of Lebron wanting to go to NY because of the Knicks "legacy" is a comical notion. Just because ESPN believes he will end up in their backyard doesn't make it so. I really think James is going to put a premium on winning, cause the endorsements will be there regardless if James is in NY or not. The is only two places I see James next year: Cleveland or Miami.

[UMFan83]

 

Lebron certainly does not need NY to sell the brand of "Lebron James". It is NY and Nike that wants him in NY. Personally, Lebron can sell his name anywhere, from Seattle, Washington to the Fiji Islands. So this whole notice of Lebron wanting to go to NY because of the Knicks "legacy" is a comical notion.

 

I agree....in this era of globalization it's easily possible for someone to get tons of pub no matter where they are playing. I'd admit that players in smaller markets do still have a moderately difficult time getting noticed at first, but once they get that initial hype about them, they aren't at much of a disadvantage to those in NY. There is a slight advantage but not enough to join a shitty team in order to take advantage.

[Mike Aller]

Whoa. Wait. What? What are all of these "hints" that LeBron is dropping. I like how that was mentioned several times but there was only one example (the "knicks" shoes that were clearly Cleveland throwback shoes).

 

I'm not naive. I understand there is a realistic possibility that LeBron goes to the Knicks. But, that is the only place I could see him going besides resigning with Cleveland. I think it's pretty ridiculous to think he'd go to the Nets, if for no other reason than his own pride. Despite the fact that they do have some talent, they are a very bad team. As much as LeBron has repeated how much he wants to win, I don't think he'd dare go to the Nets. Not unless he already has (or makes) some sort of plan with another big name free agent.

 

I don't see how you could think that Cleveland is an "extreme dark horse." The city isn't the greatest, but it's where he grew up. He now has a great team and one of the best owners in the league. I obviously wouldn't dismiss him going to New York, but right now I'd give it about a dead on 50/50.

[Flames24Rulz]

Yeah, I don't really see LeBron leaving Cleveland.

[17 Seconds]

He now has a great team and one of the best owners in the league.

 

you mean he is a great team

[RedFlash]

Yeah, I don't really see LeBron leaving Cleveland.

 

Agreed. I've always felt he wasn't going to leave Cleveland, but the "dark horse" would be Miami. We all know Wade and James are friends and have talked about playing together. But again, I don't see James leaving Cleveland.

[illiniguy]

Yeah, I don't really see LeBron leaving Cleveland.

Me either, he's loyal to a fault. His high school firends are still all around him, one's his agent. He got another one a job with Calipari. I think he stays.

[Cubswin11]

He now has a great team and one of the best owners in the league.

 

you mean he is a great team

Yeah if Lebron leaves next year and the Cavaliers make minimal changes to the rest of the team, they become an average eastern conference team. Take away Lebron and I think there isn't that big of a discrepancy between the talent the Nets have on their roster and what the Cavs have right now. Harris, Lopez, and CDR are all pretty solid NBA players, also figure in that there is a good chance they will get a top 3 pick and have a chance to get Wall, adding Lebron to that team would make them instant Eastern Conference contenders. If they drafted Wall they could trade Harris and get a decent return and they could still have some money to sign an mid-tier FA in the offseason someone in the Ray Allen, Joe Johnson, David Lee, Manu Ginobli, Carlos Boozer range (guys who won't be getting max contracts but still are pretty good).

[Tyrant]

I hear LeBron loves Bricktown and is headed to Oklahoma City to play with Durant and Westbrook.

[Soul]

Yeah, I don't really see LeBron leaving Cleveland.

Me either, he's loyal to a fault. His high school firends are still all around him, one's his agent. He got another one a job with Calipari. I think he stays.

 

Paxson can just offer to move them all into nice houses in Chicago. Problem solved, LeBron's a Bull.

 

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