Why haven't we shut down Randy Wells yet?

[kroth1342]

He's already thrown around 170 innings in total this year, almost 50 more than last year.

 

Thoughts?

[SouthSideRyan]

More like 180. I'm fine stretching him out, but I'd say a 60 innings jump(and ~50 over his career high) is enough for me. Edited September 23, 2009 by SouthSideRyan

[Tim M]

Because his job is to pitch. Unless it's a stud young prospect or a guy in his mid 30's I don't see the need to ever shutdown a pitcher who isn't hurt.

[Banedon]

Because his job is to pitch. Unless it's a stud young prospect or a guy in his mid 30's I don't see the need to ever shutdown a pitcher who isn't hurt.

 

What's to be gained by having him pitch more this year? What are the potential positives and the potential negatives? Do the risks outweigh the rewards?

 

How about the potential benefit of getting another young starter a couple starts in the bigs before the end of the season?

[SouthSideRyan]

Because his job is to pitch. Unless it's a stud young prospect or a guy in his mid 30's I don't see the need to ever shutdown a pitcher who isn't hurt.

 

Because it's a lot of pitches to add to what is still a young arm in a short span of time. We've got him up to 180 innings on the year, and 2 more starts likely won't do any damage, but what's the point. The same way you build up a pitcher's stamina for individual games, you need to build up a pitcher's stamina for a season. You don't want a guy fresh out of spring training throwing 120 pitches, and you don't want a guy fresh off a 130 inning season to throw 220.

[Tim M]

Because his job is to pitch. Unless it's a stud young prospect or a guy in his mid 30's I don't see the need to ever shutdown a pitcher who isn't hurt.

 

What's to be gained by having him pitch more this year? What are the potential positives and the potential negatives? Do the risks outweigh the rewards?

 

How about the potential benefit of getting another young starter a couple starts in the bigs before the end of the season?

 

I don't really know that there is anything to be gained by it, but that's baseball. The Cubs have to play the rest of their schedule and someone has to start the games. Wells doesn't appear to be fatigued, 2 more quality starts would be a nice finish to his season. I don't really know who else we could start, Shark is getting a chance tonight.

[Kid Gleason]

FWIW, I heard on one of the sports talk stations here in Chicago that Wells will make his next start then be shut down.

[dew1679666265]

I don't really know who else we could start, Shark is getting a chance tonight.

 

Mitch Atkins, Esmailin Caridad, Casey Fossum and maybe JR Mathes are all guys who could be added to the 40 man roster (Atkins and Caridad are already on it) and make a start or two. I wouldn't mind seeing what kind of stuff Atkins and Caridad have in a starting role anyway.

[manbearcub]

pu$$ification of america

[thefranchise]

pu$$ification of america

 

Ok Mike North :wink:

[CUBZ99]

Because his job is to pitch. Unless it's a stud young prospect or a guy in his mid 30's I don't see the need to ever shutdown a pitcher who isn't hurt.

 

What's to be gained by having him pitch more this year? What are the potential positives and the potential negatives? Do the risks outweigh the rewards?

 

How about the potential benefit of getting another young starter a couple starts in the bigs before the end of the season?

 

At one point I believe they were trying to let him have a chance at the ROY. I don't think that is going to happen anymore. Overall, I don't have a problem with him pitching to finish out the year. If he were over 200 innings or had worked a ridiculous load this year, I could see shutting him down. But let the guy finish the year on a strong note.

[Rob]

Pros:

- Less likely to injure his arm.

- End his season on a good note.

- Keeps trade value high.

- Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs.

- As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick.

 

Cons:

- It sucks to watch the Cubs lose.

 

 

Gee, this is a tough call.

[manbearcub]

Pros:

- Less likely to injure his arm.

- End his season on a good note.

- Keeps trade value high.

- Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs.

- As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick.

 

Cons:

- It sucks to watch the Cubs lose.

 

 

Gee, this is a tough call.

in fact, i think we should sit everybody out and just forfeit the rest of the games.

[DiamondMind]

Because his job is to pitch. Unless it's a stud young prospect or a guy in his mid 30's I don't see the need to ever shutdown a pitcher who isn't hurt.

 

^^

 

Two thumbs down to everyone that expects and anticipates injuries, just because it's a young pitcher/player.

[DiamondMind]

Pros:

- Less likely to injure his arm.

- End his season on a good note.

- Keeps trade value high.

- Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs.

- As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick.

 

Cons:

- It sucks to watch the Cubs lose.

 

 

Gee, this is a tough call.

 

So with that logic we just bench the entire team I guess? Nice.

[Tarver]

Pros:

- Less likely to injure his arm.

- End his season on a good note.

- Keeps trade value high.

- Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs.

- As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick.

 

Cons:

- It sucks to watch the Cubs lose.

 

 

Gee, this is a tough call.

 

So with that logic we just bench the entire team I guess? Nice.

 

Many of them, sure. Why would you be opposed to letting Marmol, Z, and Ramirez, and Lilly take off early?

[manbearcub]

Why would you be opposed to letting Marmol, Z, and Ramirez, and Lilly take off early?

we wouldn't want any of the prospects to get hurt in meaningless games.

[bukie]

Pros:

- Less likely to injure his arm.

- End his season on a good note.

- Keeps trade value high.

- Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs.

- As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick.

 

Cons:

- It sucks to watch the Cubs lose.

 

 

Gee, this is a tough call.

 

So with that logic we just bench the entire team I guess? Nice.

Yes, because the entire team has the same situation regarding the increase to workload this year.

[imb]

Did wells asked to be shut down himself? because if he did, we need to ship him out of town, we don't need quitters on this team. If he's back with us next year, Piniella should make him wear a diaper under his uniform.

 

Does anyone remember Orel Hershiser's rookie year? he threw 180 innings IN SPRING TRAINING. This is the same mindset that gets children taken away from their parents when they beat them with a garden hose for getting a B on their report card. We're raising a society of weenies. When I was a kid my dad used to burn my arm with cigarette butts just for the hell of it. He'd do that, drink a bottle of mouthwash and go to sleep. You're telling me that Randy Wells can't take a little elbow inflammation?

[Rob]

Because his job is to pitch. Unless it's a stud young prospect or a guy in his mid 30's I don't see the need to ever shutdown a pitcher who isn't hurt.

 

^^

 

Two thumbs down to everyone that expects and anticipates injuries, just because it's a young pitcher/player.

 

I'm not expecting it just because he's young. I'm expecting it because there's a very high risk associated with jumps in innings as high as he's had...

 

Risk versus reward, folks. What do we stand to gain from running some of these players out there the rest of the season? Very little. And in some cases (pitchers with large jumps in their workload, other players who have a history of injury) the risk is too high to justify it.

[SouthSideRyan]

Not a big fan of vaccinations for your children DiamondMind?

[Tyrant]

We haven't shut him down because we're a message board community that lacks the power to affect the Cubs' decisions.

 

The Cubs probably haven't shut him down because 1.) they want him to continue getting experience and 2.) he's in the Rookie of the Year race, and they want to help him get it.

[daske17]

Pros:

- Less likely to injure his arm.

- End his season on a good note.

- Keeps trade value high.

- Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs.

- As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick.

 

Cons:

- It sucks to watch the Cubs lose.

 

 

Gee, this is a tough call.

 

So with that logic we just bench the entire team I guess? Nice.

 

Many of them, sure. Why would you be opposed to letting Marmol, Z, and Ramirez, and Lilly take off early?

 

because if I wanted to watch prospects play I'd go to a minor league game. As a business it does them no good to sit all their stars and recognizable names.

[Rob]

Pros:

- Less likely to injure his arm.

- End his season on a good note.

- Keeps trade value high.

- Give other rookies valuable experience in the bigs.

- As the potential replacements aren't as likely to perform so well, increased likelihood of losses could result in the Cubs getting a higher draft pick.

 

Cons:

- It sucks to watch the Cubs lose.

 

 

Gee, this is a tough call.

 

So with that logic we just bench the entire team I guess? Nice.

 

Many of them, sure. Why would you be opposed to letting Marmol, Z, and Ramirez, and Lilly take off early?

 

because if I wanted to watch prospects play I'd go to a minor league game. As a business it does them no good to sit all their stars and recognizable names.

 

As a business decision, they have to decide whether or not boosting attendance for the last few games they have this season is worth potentially injuring a player and hurting them next season... when they'll be aiming for big playoff bucks.

[CubbieBum]

Yeaaaa let's baby pitchers more. Pitchers can't pitch a lot because they aren't used a lot. Pitchers used to be able to go a lot more innings because they always pitched a lot of innings and their arms thus built the durability for it over time. Pitchers can't pitch nearly as much nowadays because they are babied due to fear of injury. If he is healthy let him pitch. If his arm is feeling tired then pull him.