What kind of numbers did you honestly expect from Bradley?

[17 Seconds]

I expected him to be our best hitter. He's had a dissappointing season and is one of the reasons we're sitting a seventy-billion games out of first place but the honest truth is he's just a small part of the problem this season. I expected him to hit around .300 with 20 home runs, a lot of doubles and walks. If I would have told you that among qualifiers Kosuke Fukudome would have been the second best offensive centerfielder, Derrek Lee would have an OPS over .900, all four of our top starting pitchers would make twenty-five starts and our other SP would arguably be the ROY, how many games would you have projected us to win?

 

don't forget about guzman staying healthy and good all season

[CubbieBum]

because he hasn't hit

 

Oh, like I said. Carry on there, Dex.

 

except you used rbi's and batting average to show that he hasn't hit, and those don't show that he hasn't hit

 

it would have been perfectly acceptable if you had just used his slugging percentage

 

Actually BA is the best way to tell if someone has gotten hits. Now if you want to know whether he has gotten extra base hits or overall been a productive offensively player you would want to use other statistics.

 

batter A hits .300, but every hit is a single

 

batter B hits .250, but every hit is a home run

 

who is a better hitter?

 

I am a supporter of OPS.

 

I was merely pointing out that if you are talking strictly about hits and hits only BA is the stat would show who has hit and who hasn't.

[17 Seconds]

Actually BA is the best way to tell if someone has gotten hits. Now if you want to know whether he has gotten extra base hits or overall been a productive offensively player you would want to use other statistics.

 

batter A hits .300, but every hit is a single

 

batter B hits .250, but every hit is a home run

 

who is a better hitter?

 

I am a supporter of OPS.

 

I was merely pointing out that if you are talking strictly about hits and hits only BA is the stat would show who has hit and who hasn't.

 

but we're not talking about hits and hits only. when i'm talking about overall hitting, i'm talking how productive he's been as a hitter. not how often he gets a single.

 

like i said, a guy can hit .250 and be a very productive hitter

[TruffleShuffle]

my brain is melting out of my ears.

[soapy]

In terms of numbers, I expected better than he's doing. What I didn't expect is for him to accuse me, as a Cubs fan, of racism. He waited until Cub fans are at their lowest point of the season, after a 2 week stretch that put them out of contention in a season full of hope, to shoot his pathetic mouth off about the fans and teammates.

 

He can't get out of town fast enough for me.

 

For some reason, I'm missing this whole "accusing people of racism thing". The only thing regarding race that I saw come from him the last few days was where a reporter asked him if the "hate" he feels is because of racism and he had a somewhat smart-ass response of something like, "This country doesn't believe in racism."

 

I don't get what is so horrible about this.

 

Bradley has said some stupid things the last few days, but I haven't heard him accuse Cubs fans of being racist.

[laurens]

The guy is being misunderstood. I read an article on MLB yesterday that had him saying this:

 

Lee has been with the Cubs since 2004 and said he has heard "a little bit" of racism at Wrigley, although not directed at him. Bradley said that Cubs fans, in general, have been "awesome," but added, "One rotten apple can spoil the whole bunch."

[SouthSideRyan]

In terms of numbers, I expected better than he's doing. What I didn't expect is for him to accuse me, as a Cubs fan, of racism. He waited until Cub fans are at their lowest point of the season, after a 2 week stretch that put them out of contention in a season full of hope, to shoot his pathetic mouth off about the fans and teammates.

 

He can't get out of town fast enough for me.

 

For some reason, I'm missing this whole "accusing people of racism thing". The only thing regarding race that I saw come from him the last few days was where a reporter asked him if the "hate" he feels is because of racism and he had a somewhat smart-ass response of something like, "This country doesn't believe in racism."

 

I don't get what is so horrible about this.

 

Bradley has said some stupid things the last few days, but I haven't heard him accuse Cubs fans of being racist.

 

Yep, as I said earlier it's standard hideous troll rumor mongering. If anyone actually read the article by Sullivan with an open mind they'd see that it was Sullivan baiting him and Bradley answering with the "country doesn't believe in racism" line.

 

This stupid [expletive] knew he struck it rich when the Cubs signed Bradley because he could bait him into something innoccuous which obviously the other morons will run with to paint Bradley in a bad light. I know it didn't work out well for Hawkins, but I think I would've encouraged Bradley to not talk to the media. Go ahead and do the after game on the field interviews, hold after win pressers at the table, but don't let these bitter fucks goad you into being hated.

[inari]

Quite frankly, I thought this was going to be a disaster.

 

I'm actually shocked that people thought he was going to work here.

 

The sooner the Cubs get rid of Bradley, the better.

 

Based on what did you expect that?

 

Anyway, add about .050 to Bradley's slugging and he's done exactly what I expected him to do. As a hitter, I'm not that disappointed in him.

 

I am disappointed in his attitude to the point where I don't particularly want him on the team anymore. I know a lot of it is media bating, but it's pretty clear this is going to go on for the remainder of his contract if he stays. I have no real interest in seeing him be a negative presence in the clubhouse for a few more years.

 

I'm also very aware that if the Cubs were winning at the rate they were last year, there wouldn't be a problem with Milton Bradley. He's become the scapegoat for a season of disappointments much greater than him. The media has gotten every story they could've hoped for in it. We're all criticizing the media for bating him, and that's justified. However, Milton Bradley has a brain, and he falls right into their trap just about every single time. This is allowing the media to create a true hatred for Milton Bradley among many stupid Cubs fans.

 

If Hendry can get a decent return, he should. Trading him for sixty cents on the dollar, though? Deal with the distraction.

 

On a related note, does anyone know the context of that "I don't want the game to go more than nine innings" quote?

Edited August 28, 2009 by inari

[laurens]

Quite frankly, I thought this was going to be a disaster.

 

I'm actually shocked that people thought he was going to work here.

 

The sooner the Cubs get rid of Bradley, the better.

 

Based on what did you expect that?

 

Anyway, add about .050 to Bradley's slugging and he's done exactly what I expected him to do. As a hitter, I'm not that disappointed in him.

 

I am disappointed in his attitude to the point where I don't particularly want him on the team anymore. I know a lot of it is media bating, but it's pretty clear this is going to go on for the remainder of his contract if he stays. I have no real interest in seeing him be a negative presence in the clubhouse for a few more years.

 

If Hendry can get a decent return, he should. Trading him for sixty cents on the dollar, though? Deal with the distraction.

 

On a related note, does anyone know the context of that "I don't want the game to go more than nine innings" quote?

 

What? I've never heard a teammate say he didn't like Bradley. He seems to get along with everyone on the team.

[hawkeyecub]

In terms of numbers, I expected better than he's doing. What I didn't expect is for him to accuse me, as a Cubs fan, of racism. He waited until Cub fans are at their lowest point of the season, after a 2 week stretch that put them out of contention in a season full of hope, to shoot his pathetic mouth off about the fans and teammates.

 

He can't get out of town fast enough for me.

 

For some reason, I'm missing this whole "accusing people of racism thing". The only thing regarding race that I saw come from him the last few days was where a reporter asked him if the "hate" he feels is because of racism and he had a somewhat smart-ass response of something like, "This country doesn't believe in racism."

 

I don't get what is so horrible about this.

 

Bradley has said some stupid things the last few days, but I haven't heard him accuse Cubs fans of being racist.

 

Yep, as I said earlier it's standard hideous troll rumor mongering. If anyone actually read the article by Sullivan with an open mind they'd see that it was Sullivan baiting him and Bradley answering with the "country doesn't believe in racism" line.

 

This stupid [expletive] knew he struck it rich when the Cubs signed Bradley because he could bait him into something innoccuous which obviously the other morons will run with to paint Bradley in a bad light. I know it didn't work out well for Hawkins, but I think I would've encouraged Bradley to not talk to the media. Go ahead and do the after game on the field interviews, hold after win pressers at the table, but don't let these bitter [expletive] goad you into being hated.

 

SSR I usually agree with you. I agree that Sullivan is a putz. I also am in the minority that doesn't hate Bradley now.

 

But the guy is acting like a complete asshat and to put so much blame on the media baiting him is just off base. He's bringing this all upon himself.

[jersey cubs fan]

I also am in the minority that doesn't hate Bradley now.

 

Is that really a minority?

[1908]

Yeah, I also don't hate Bradley. I suspect it might be a vocal minority that does all the hating.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, I also don't hate Bradley. I suspect it might be a vocal minority that does all the hating.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm annoyed as hell at his ridiculousness, but I don't hate him, and I'm not exactly afraid of hating Cubs players.

 

He's disappointing, he's annoying, but he's not Neifi Perez.

[SouthSideRyan]

SSR I usually agree with you. I agree that Sullivan is a putz. I also am in the minority that doesn't hate Bradley now.

 

But the guy is acting like a complete asshat and to put so much blame on the media baiting him is just off base. He's bringing this all upon himself.

 

I don't know that I'd say he's bringing it all upon himself, but yeah of course Milton bears some blame for this, but that was to be expected. He's passionate and emotional and apparently has no inner monologue. I'd bet a lot of money most guys on this team have thought "[expletive] these assholes", but they keep it to themselves.

 

I disagree with those of you that think those that hate Bradley are in the minority. Maybe not in the online community, but I can't have a Cubs conversation or overhear one at work without Bradley's name being mentioned and what a jerk he is. The masses follow what the media tells them to, and barring some sort of 180 in personality or a miracle run on his back, I think Milton's lost the masses forever.

[1908]

I'm not sure how you'd measure the level of Bradley hate, but your anecdotal evidence doesn't sway me.

[jersey cubs fan]

I disagree with those of you that think those that hate Bradley are in the minority. Maybe not in the online community, but I can't have a Cubs conversation or overhear one at work without Bradley's name being mentioned and what a jerk he is.

 

Part of that is he's obviously the story right now. And maybe it's semantics, but mentioning his name and hearing the word jerk involved doesn't mean people hate him.

 

Personally I think the vast majority of fans don't care enough to even consider hating a player. They want to see the Cubs win a game but if they don't, oh well. Some people don't consider these folks "true fans" but they are fans nonetheless. Even among the group that really cares about this stuff, it only takes one loud yeller among a group of 20-30 to make the group itself look like hate filled maniacs. Throw a few dozen of those buffoons out there and it's going to seem like a huge number.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not sure how you'd measure the level of Bradley hate, but your anecdotal evidence doesn't sway me.

 

He's gotta at least be running away with most hated Cub right?

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not sure how you'd measure the level of Bradley hate, but your anecdotal evidence doesn't sway me.

 

He's gotta at least be running away with most hated Cub right?

 

Kevin Gregg, Soriano and Miles are splitting the vote, and Hendry is probably getting some write-ins even if he's technically not eligible.

 

Bradley is the biggest story right now, but overall most hated Cub is a tough one to call.

[Guest]

I'm not sure how you'd measure the level of Bradley hate, but your anecdotal evidence doesn't sway me.

 

He's gotta at least be running away with most hated Cub right?

 

Kevin Gregg, Soriano and Miles are splitting the vote, and Hendry is probably getting some write-ins even if he's technically not eligible.

 

Bradley is the biggest story right now, but overall most hated Cub is a tough one to call.

Gregg's been at the top of my list since his trade to the Cubs.

 

Gonny put up a poll at the beginning of the season about Bradley. Not much has changed for me.

 

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[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not sure how you'd measure the level of Bradley hate, but your anecdotal evidence doesn't sway me.

 

He's gotta at least be running away with most hated Cub right?

 

Kevin Gregg, Soriano and Miles are splitting the vote, and Hendry is probably getting some write-ins even if he's technically not eligible.

 

Bradley is the biggest story right now, but overall most hated Cub is a tough one to call.

 

I don't think the mainstream cares enough about Aaron Miles to hate him more than Bradley, Soriano, or Gregg.

[RynoRules]

Soriano tops my list. Miles is second, and a fair distance behind Soriano. Gregg and Heilman are neck and neck for third. Bradley doesn't place.

[chopsx9]

the word filter should never allow "rbi" to appear on this website again.

 

I've never understood this. There needs to be some context given but dismissing is ridiculous.

If a player has come up with 400 players in scoring position and drives in 40. That's terrible.

 

If he has come up with 100 in scoring position and driven in 40 that's pretty good.

 

If you want to say that Bradley's rbi total isn't disapointing then you need to show me that he has had significantly fewer chances to drive in runs than other players. Do that and I'll agree it's not disapointing - (I have no idea what the numbers are)

 

We all know rbi's are heavily influenced by the team - but if you want to outright dismiss some players total of 100 - that's fine if you can demonstrate that he's had a disproportionate number of chances. If that's the case I'll agree 110%.

 

I've never understood why there isn't a "percentage of runners driven in" stat of some kind.

[SouthSideRyan]

All of that's only relevant if you feel that a guy performs differently with RISP than he does without.

[Magnetic Curses]

I, too, would like to state my support of OPS.

[chopsx9]

All of that's only relevant if you feel that a guy performs differently with RISP than he does without.

Well avg with RISP is a fairly standard stat. Is the correlation between that and the avg with no one in scoring position 100% or thereabouts? (all mertics - not just BA)