College Basketball 2009-10

[SouthSideRyan]

If Kramer flops to emphasize a fould and try to give his team the advantage, how can you blame him for that? As a Purdue fan, I don't care if people think he's a [expletive] for it, he's giving my team an advantage.

 

Because it's not basketball it's Wojo slap the ground bull [expletive]. It's not emphasizing a foul, it's acting like a clown

 

As much as I hate Kramer, I'm pretty sure there have been plenty of floppers in every program.

 

And I hate them.

[mul21]

scarey, you were watching a different game than I was if that's what you saw. I'm normally not one to piss and moan about reffing, but it was bad in that game. The overall physicality that Purdue was allowed to play with and not get called for versus the fact that if somebody looked at Hummel wrong when he was in the post it was a foul was inexcusable. I'm not saying it was the determining factor in the game, but a lot of those call came at key moments that really hurt Illinois' momentum.

 

Plus, nobody this side of Duke flops around as much as Kramer to get calls. That combined with how physical he plays and his constant "Who, me?" when he does get called just pisses people off. You're not getting sympathy about anything he does from anybody who's not a Purdue fan.

[scarey]

If Kramer flops to emphasize a fould and try to give his team the advantage, how can you blame him for that? As a Purdue fan, I don't care if people think he's a [expletive] for it, he's giving my team an advantage.

 

Because it's not basketball it's Wojo slap the ground bull [expletive]. It's not emphasizing a foul, it's acting like a clown

 

They were fouls with our without the flop. It's true, they may not be called if not for the flop, but the bottom line is they were fouls. Don't foul you don't get called. I'm sorry, there's no other way to put it.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Kramer flops to emphasize a fould and try to give his team the advantage, how can you blame him for that? As a Purdue fan, I don't care if people think he's a [expletive] for it, he's giving my team an advantage.

 

Because it's not basketball it's Wojo slap the ground bull [expletive]. It's not emphasizing a foul, it's acting like a clown

 

They were fouls with our without the flop. It's true, they may not be called if not for the flop, but the bottom line is they were fouls. Don't foul you don't get called. I'm sorry, there's no other way to put it.

 

Well a couple of them were defensive fouls without the flop, but since Kramer acts like he was shot out of a cannon every time somebody touches him, regardless of whether he has position, he got the call.

 

Nevermind that the stupid [expletive]'s offense is lowering his shoulder and charging into anyone in his way. Nope, foul on Mike Davis on that one though.

[SouthSideRyan]

Regarding the discrepancy on points in the paint, I don't have the stats in front of me, but I believe we were something awful like 3-12 on layups/dunks compared to you guys shooting at a normal rate.

[scarey]

Lot's of individual things to address in this post, so I'm going to break it down.

 

The overall physicality that Purdue was allowed to play with and not get called for

 

I respectfully disagree. Lewis Jackson was getting pushed around all game long. He always does in every game because he's just a smaller player. The Illini were playing him just as physically as Purdue was playing. Also, Johnson was getting pushed around all game too. You think there's a reason he was only settling for 15 footers? Every time he brought it inside he would have major body contact and not get the call. I can only commend your guys for the way they played Johnson (although I admittedly would be peeved if we had lost).

 

versus the fact that if somebody looked at Hummel wrong when he was in the post it was a foul was inexcusable.

 

I can't account for every single foul against Hummel, and I'm sure there were some very questionable ticky-tack fouls called. But again, it works both ways. I just listed three specific plays that went in favor of the Illini.

 

Plus, nobody this side of Duke flops around as much as Kramer to get calls.

 

Shouldn't that be game planned for though? If you know Kramer is going to flop, why allow Davis to slide into a screen on him after an inbound pass?

 

That combined with how physical he plays

 

Again, what Kramer was doing to your guards is what your guards were doing to Jackson when bringing the ball up the court.

 

and his constant "Who, me?" when he does get called

 

EVERYONE who has ever played a game of basketball does that. EVERYONE.

 

You're not getting sympathy about anything he does from anybody who's not a Purdue fan.

 

I never asked for sympathy. I just find it a little hypocritical to call him out for it when you would be happy to have a guy that does the same thing for your team.

[SouthSideRyan]

Considering Keller played like 4 minutes, I'm not buying that any of Illinois's bigs were pushing around Jujuan Johnson. Davis and Tisdale weigh a combined 190 pounds

[radarluv1]

On the subject of flopping- does anyone remember when Bobby Hurley pancaked himself into a screen from a guy 4 times his size? I can't recall if there was a foul given, but it should've been on Hurley if at all. It's tough to call it on the unconscious player.

[scarey]

Regarding the discrepancy on points in the paint, I don't have the stats in front of me, but I believe we were something awful like 3-12 on layups/dunks compared to you guys shooting at a normal rate.

 

Looking at the play by play here: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=300512509 I looked at it individually. I noticed that they do not specify if a blocked shot was a jumper or a layup, but I don't remember any jump shots being blocked, so let's assume those were in the paint. Also, they do not specify when a foul was on a layup attempt or what not if the attempt was missed, so this is pretty flawed information really.

 

However, based on that game log, the Illini were 4/15 in the paint while the Boilermakers were 8/22. Again, these do not account for the fouls in the paint, so this really tells us very little.

 

I can tell you that the Boilermakers made it to the line 3 times before the bonus in the 1st half and 2 times before the bonus in the 2nd half. Illini went once all game before the bonus. So, unless there was a foul on a jumpshot at some point that I don't remember, it was at least 16 attempts in the paint for the Illini and 27 for the Boilermakers. That's a pretty large discrepency.

Edited February 23, 2010 by scarey

[scarey]

Considering Keller played like 4 minutes, I'm not buying that any of Illinois's bigs were pushing around Jujuan Johnson. Davis and Tisdale weigh a combined 190 pounds

 

Listed weights of each player.

 

Davis: 220lbs

Tisdale: 235lbs

Johnson: 215lbs

[SouthSideRyan]

Listed weights

 

Tony Gwynn: 185

John Kruk: 170

David Wells: 187

[CubbieBum]

Listed weights

 

Tony Gwynn: 185

John Kruk: 170

David Wells: 187

 

Are you really arguing that Johnson weighs more than Tisdale and Davis? Johnson is a twig.

[SouthSideRyan]

Listed weights

 

Tony Gwynn: 185

John Kruk: 170

David Wells: 187

 

Are you really arguing that Johnson weighs more than Tisdale and Davis? Johnson is a twig.

 

listedweightknowitall.com

[CubbieBum]

Listed weights

 

Tony Gwynn: 185

John Kruk: 170

David Wells: 187

 

Are you really arguing that Johnson weighs more than Tisdale and Davis? Johnson is a twig.

 

listedweightknowitall.com

 

I love it when you know you are wrong so you just try to distract everyone by throwing an insult out. Ohh man you cut me deep. You made fun of a website I enjoyed doing and made money on. Please no more. I can't take it.

[SouthSideRyan]

You are absolutely wrong. If you believe that Mike Davis and Mike Tisdale are bullying Jujuan Johnson in the post then there is no sense in aguing with you rather than picking out one of the hundreds of dumb things you've done here to laugh about it.

[Smack]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

[XZero771679666304]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

 

I'm pretty sure there are quite a few more Iowa fans here, though they're not too vocal at the moment.

[SouthSideRyan]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

 

I'm pretty sure there are quite a few more Iowa fans here, though they're not too vocal at the moment.

 

Mizzou's gotta be #2. (in more ways than one)

 

(you guys are poop)

[scarey]

You are absolutely wrong. If you believe that Mike Davis and Mike Tisdale are bullying Jujuan Johnson in the post then there is no sense in aguing with you rather than picking out one of the hundreds of dumb things you've done here to laugh about it.

 

 

Watch the game again. They did quite a notable job of defending Johnson and pushing him out of the low post. Kudos to them.

[scarey]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

 

'08 alum. First became a full fledged Boiler basketball fanatic when I got there in '02 with Willy Deane flying all over the court and Kenneth Lowe dropping shots from Slater Hill.

[Smack]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

 

'08 alum. First became a full fledged Boiler basketball fanatic when I got there in '02 with Willy Deane flying all over the court and Kenneth Lowe dropping shots from Slater Hill.

 

Sounds like we've got a little overlap, I was there from '98 until '04 (graduated in December of '03). I think a lot of the other guys are more recent grads too.

[Andy]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

 

'08 alum. First became a full fledged Boiler basketball fanatic when I got there in '02 with Willy Deane flying all over the court and Kenneth Lowe dropping shots from Slater Hill.

 

Sounds like we've got a little overlap, I was there from '98 until '04 (graduated in December of '03). I think a lot of the other guys are more recent grads too.

Da Bum is local (W.L. native) but not directly affiliated with the school. Can't speak for circlecitycub or grassbass, though.

[Smack]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

 

'08 alum. First became a full fledged Boiler basketball fanatic when I got there in '02 with Willy Deane flying all over the court and Kenneth Lowe dropping shots from Slater Hill.

 

Sounds like we've got a little overlap, I was there from '98 until '04 (graduated in December of '03). I think a lot of the other guys are more recent grads too.

Da Bum is local (W.L. native) but not directly affiliated with the school. Can't speak for circlecitycub or grassbass, though.

 

Ah, didn't know that. I just assumed I guess. I thought there was another guy, other than those three.

[circlecitycub]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

 

'08 alum. First became a full fledged Boiler basketball fanatic when I got there in '02 with Willy Deane flying all over the court and Kenneth Lowe dropping shots from Slater Hill.

 

Sounds like we've got a little overlap, I was there from '98 until '04 (graduated in December of '03). I think a lot of the other guys are more recent grads too.

Da Bum is local (W.L. native) but not directly affiliated with the school. Can't speak for circlecitycub or grassbass, though.

 

I grew up in the area and attended Purdue for my Frosh and Soph years. Finished up at IU but I have always been a Boiler at heart.

[fromthestretch]

Scarey, thanks for doing the research on some of the things I was thinking. I didn't have the time to look that stuff up and didn't want to sound like a moron if I was claiming certain things that didn't in fact happen. So, we've got another Purdue fan... we've got to be the second biggest college basektball fan base on here now, right?

 

'08 alum. First became a full fledged Boiler basketball fanatic when I got there in '02 with Willy Deane flying all over the court and Kenneth Lowe dropping shots from Slater Hill.

 

Sounds like we've got a little overlap, I was there from '98 until '04 (graduated in December of '03). I think a lot of the other guys are more recent grads too.

Da Bum is local (W.L. native) but not directly affiliated with the school. Can't speak for circlecitycub or grassbass, though.

 

I grew up in the area and attended Purdue for my Frosh and Soph years. Finished up at IU but I have always been a Boiler at heart.

 

Born and raised in Lafayette, graduated Purdue in '97, and worked in the athletic department full-time for a couple years after graduating. I was apparently destined to be a Purdue fan from the beginning.