NFL offseason thread 2009

[rawaction]

He's stuck on somebody's bench now. The difference is he doesn't have a chance of getting off that bench in Arizona. If Matt Leinart isn't just happy with his paycheck, he should do whatever he can to get traded to Chicago, Tampa, New York, and a couple other places (maybe not Detroit).

 

He's still very young and has a lot of potential. I'd imagine if Tampa can't make a trade for Cutler, they'd give up a pick for Leinart. As a Bears fan, if I could get him for a 3rd rounder, I would in a heartbeat.

 

Would the other teams do it though? Right now he's an apparent busted pick who can't get off the bench against a (granted, very talented) 40-year-old QB. If he starts pitching a fit because he's not earning a chance, would other teams jump at acquiring a malcontent apparent busted pick who can't get off the bench against a (granted, very talented) 40-year-old QB? I really doubt they'd give an early pick.

 

I realize he's stuck on the bench now, but I think the chances are high that he would piss off more teams than he would entice by whining now. Warner's earned his starting jobs, but Leinart hasn't played particularly well.

 

I doubt teams would be turned off by a QB in his situation asking for a trade. You can ask for that trade without being a complete malcontent. He's in a bad situation, because he's going to hit free agency without any playing time under his belt. Playing the good guy isn't going to drive up his eventual price, the only way he can do that is by playing right now.

 

AZ has a ton of cash tied up in QB, and will have a ton tied into WR. They should be motivated to deal the guy. Given Warner's health, it could be enticing to keep a guy like Leinart around to backup, but that's a luxury at this point.

 

As a Bears fan, would you trade for Leinart, assuming a reasonable cost?

[dew1679666265]

He's stuck on somebody's bench now. The difference is he doesn't have a chance of getting off that bench in Arizona. If Matt Leinart isn't just happy with his paycheck, he should do whatever he can to get traded to Chicago, Tampa, New York, and a couple other places (maybe not Detroit).

 

He's still very young and has a lot of potential. I'd imagine if Tampa can't make a trade for Cutler, they'd give up a pick for Leinart. As a Bears fan, if I could get him for a 3rd rounder, I would in a heartbeat.

 

Would the other teams do it though? Right now he's an apparent busted pick who can't get off the bench against a (granted, very talented) 40-year-old QB. If he starts pitching a fit because he's not earning a chance, would other teams jump at acquiring a malcontent apparent busted pick who can't get off the bench against a (granted, very talented) 40-year-old QB? I really doubt they'd give an early pick.

 

I realize he's stuck on the bench now, but I think the chances are high that he would piss off more teams than he would entice by whining now. Warner's earned his starting jobs, but Leinart hasn't played particularly well.

 

I doubt teams would be turned off by a QB in his situation asking for a trade. You can ask for that trade without being a complete malcontent. He's in a bad situation, because he's going to hit free agency without any playing time under his belt. Playing the good guy isn't going to drive up his eventual price, the only way he can do that is by playing right now.

 

You may be right that teams won't be bothered by it, but I'm not convinced. He does nothing but deserve to sit on a bench the first two years of his career and then he asks for a trade because he hasn't been good enough to beat out the current QB. That just doesn't sound like a QB I'd want to give more than a late round pick for.

 

AZ has a ton of cash tied up in QB, and will have a ton tied into WR. They should be motivated to deal the guy. Given Warner's health, it could be enticing to keep a guy like Leinart around to backup, but that's a luxury at this point.

 

It's a luxury they can afford, though. I'd say they'll get motivated to trade him either when they decide he's a complete bust or they need the cap room for some other upgrade.

 

The fact that they're not looking to deal him tells me they're comfortable with their cap situation for now. Of course, if the Vikings came at them offering Jared Allen, first and second pick this year and a first next year, I'd be pretty certain they'd take it. Until an over the top offer comes, though, I doubt they'll get motivated to trade him (save again for the potential necessity of needing the cap room).

[jersey cubs fan]

He's stuck on somebody's bench now. The difference is he doesn't have a chance of getting off that bench in Arizona. If Matt Leinart isn't just happy with his paycheck, he should do whatever he can to get traded to Chicago, Tampa, New York, and a couple other places (maybe not Detroit).

 

He's still very young and has a lot of potential. I'd imagine if Tampa can't make a trade for Cutler, they'd give up a pick for Leinart. As a Bears fan, if I could get him for a 3rd rounder, I would in a heartbeat.

 

Would the other teams do it though? Right now he's an apparent busted pick who can't get off the bench against a (granted, very talented) 40-year-old QB. If he starts pitching a fit because he's not earning a chance, would other teams jump at acquiring a malcontent apparent busted pick who can't get off the bench against a (granted, very talented) 40-year-old QB? I really doubt they'd give an early pick.

 

I realize he's stuck on the bench now, but I think the chances are high that he would piss off more teams than he would entice by whining now. Warner's earned his starting jobs, but Leinart hasn't played particularly well.

 

I doubt teams would be turned off by a QB in his situation asking for a trade. You can ask for that trade without being a complete malcontent. He's in a bad situation, because he's going to hit free agency without any playing time under his belt. Playing the good guy isn't going to drive up his eventual price, the only way he can do that is by playing right now.

 

AZ has a ton of cash tied up in QB, and will have a ton tied into WR. They should be motivated to deal the guy. Given Warner's health, it could be enticing to keep a guy like Leinart around to backup, but that's a luxury at this point.

 

As a Bears fan, would you trade for Leinart, assuming a reasonable cost?

 

Yes. I would like to see him trying to steal Orton's job, and hopefully pushing Kyle, than just about any other rumored QB. His numbers are unimpressive, but he's only had about a season's worth of games under his belt, primarily as a rookie.

[jersey cubs fan]

You may be right that teams won't be bothered by it, but I'm not convinced. He does nothing but deserve to sit on a bench the first two years of his career and then he asks for a trade because he hasn't been good enough to beat out the current QB. That just doesn't sound like a QB I'd want to give more than a late round pick for.

 

This seems like really weird reasoning. He was a rookie QB who was unimpressive, but hardly incompetent. He got beat out by a potential Hall of Fame QB. He's not going to get a chance to earn any of his incentives, and he's not going to get a chance to earn a big free agent contract when this one ends. He can be cut at anytime. If he asks to be traded and another GM holds that against him and tries to equate it to being a malcontent, well, that's an unreasonable person.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's a luxury they can afford, though. I'd say they'll get motivated to trade him either when they decide he's a complete bust or they need the cap room for some other upgrade.

 

The fact that they're not looking to deal him tells me they're comfortable with their cap situation for now. .

 

Well, they just agree with Warner yesterday or today. They've had no time to try and deal him, and the draft is over a month away. The fact that it hasn't been reported that they haven't tried yet tells me absolutely nothing. As comfortable as they may appear to be, they still have to deal with the Boldin situation, and figure out a way to add something to the defense. Teams coming off deep playoff runs run across all sorts of salary demands and cap issues. Arizona may seem fine with their situation now, and they may eventually stay that way. But paying that much money to your backup, when your starter makes as much as Warner and you have huge money tied up in receiver, can be tricky.

[Keener98]

He's stuck on somebody's bench now. The difference is he doesn't have a chance of getting off that bench in Arizona. If Matt Leinart isn't just happy with his paycheck, he should do whatever he can to get traded to Chicago, Tampa, New York, and a couple other places (maybe not Detroit).

 

He's still very young and has a lot of potential. I'd imagine if Tampa can't make a trade for Cutler, they'd give up a pick for Leinart. As a Bears fan, if I could get him for a 3rd rounder, I would in a heartbeat.

 

Would the other teams do it though? Right now he's an apparent busted pick who can't get off the bench against a (granted, very talented) 40-year-old QB. If he starts pitching a fit because he's not earning a chance, would other teams jump at acquiring a malcontent apparent busted pick who can't get off the bench against a (granted, very talented) 40-year-old QB? I really doubt they'd give an early pick.

 

I realize he's stuck on the bench now, but I think the chances are high that he would piss off more teams than he would entice by whining now. Warner's earned his starting jobs, but Leinart hasn't played particularly well.

 

I doubt teams would be turned off by a QB in his situation asking for a trade. You can ask for that trade without being a complete malcontent. He's in a bad situation, because he's going to hit free agency without any playing time under his belt. Playing the good guy isn't going to drive up his eventual price, the only way he can do that is by playing right now.

 

AZ has a ton of cash tied up in QB, and will have a ton tied into WR. They should be motivated to deal the guy. Given Warner's health, it could be enticing to keep a guy like Leinart around to backup, but that's a luxury at this point.

 

As a Bears fan, would you trade for Leinart, assuming a reasonable cost?

 

Yes. I would like to see him trying to steal Orton's job, and hopefully pushing Kyle, than just about any other rumored QB. His numbers are unimpressive, but he's only had about a season's worth of games under his belt, primarily as a rookie.

 

And dont forget that season was with a terrible Cardinals team. Id take Leinart in a heart beat.

[dew1679666265]

You may be right that teams won't be bothered by it, but I'm not convinced. He does nothing but deserve to sit on a bench the first two years of his career and then he asks for a trade because he hasn't been good enough to beat out the current QB. That just doesn't sound like a QB I'd want to give more than a late round pick for.

 

This seems like really weird reasoning. He was a rookie QB who was unimpressive, but hardly incompetent. He got beat out by a potential Hall of Fame QB. He's not going to get a chance to earn any of his incentives, and he's not going to get a chance to earn a big free agent contract when this one ends. He can be cut at anytime. If he asks to be traded and another GM holds that against him and tries to equate it to being a malcontent, well, that's an unreasonable person.

 

The fact that the Cardinals spent so much to retain Warner, given that they have a former first round pick already there, makes me wonder if Leinart's gotten any better. He wasn't very good in his rookie year, was worse in limited action his second year and apparently hasn't improved enough to keep the Cardinals from paying $25 million to a 37-year-old QB. I just don't like a player with that resume demanding to be traded.

 

Now I tend to prefer players not demanding trades, so that may be clouding me a bit here. I don't think it's that unreasonable to be concerned, though.

[dew1679666265]

The Eagles have traded Greg Lewis and an undisclosed draft pick to the Patriots for a fifth rounder this year.

 

I'd have to think that undisclosed pick will be a seventh rounder.

 

The Patriots also signed Shawn Springs.

[TruffleShuffle]

wow we traded greg lewis? i thought he was designated "4th receiver for life", it seemed like he was always just good enough to be on the team but never good enough to make a difference.

[weis21]

Honestly, why would the raiders even sign TO? To sell tickets? He surely won't make them a good team and will almost certainly be a distraction. They'll still suck. I don't get all the speculation other than the "they're the raiders" train of thought. Al Davis may be selfish and a bit senile, but surely he has enough sense to realize that TO will not equate football success. I haven't followed Raiders football that closely either though.

 

On the other hand, my other favorite NC state alum Torry Holt would make an excellent no. 1 (or 2) receiver on any team. He's on the backside of his career (unfortunately, since STL has been running in place for years) but still has at least 2-3 excellent years left. I'd love SD, Washington, or even Carolina to pick him up. Chicago seems like a perfect place for him to land as well.

[ELCABALLO45]

List of teams who have publicly said no to T.O.

 

Cowboys

Giants

Redskins

Ravens

49ers

Vikings

Falcons

Browns

Chargers

Eagles

Jets

Titans

Rams

Saints

Texans

Jaguars

[OleMissCub]

I don't know if there has ever been a better poster boy for the proverbial "cancer in the clubhouse" than TO

[TruffleShuffle]

i was thinking the ravens might actually be a good spot for him; it's ray lewis' clubhouse and they need a #1 receiver badly.

[dew1679666265]

Honestly, why would the raiders even sign TO? To sell tickets? He surely won't make them a good team and will almost certainly be a distraction. They'll still suck. I don't get all the speculation other than the "they're the raiders" train of thought. Al Davis may be selfish and a bit senile, but surely he has enough sense to realize that TO will not equate football success. I haven't followed Raiders football that closely either though.

 

The thinking is that Al Davis is a crazy old man who doesn't use logic all that often. He loves the downfield passing game and the team badly needs receivers.

 

The idea of JaMarcus Russell chucking bombs downfield to TO has to be getting Davis excited.

[OleMissCub]

Al Davis looks like he's in that "Smeagol turning into Gollum" phase.

[jersey cubs fan]

i was thinking the ravens might actually be a good spot for him; it's ray lewis' clubhouse and they need a #1 receiver badly.

 

You have to wonder what Harbaugh's impression of TO from his time there. He was special teams coach then, right?

[TruffleShuffle]

i was thinking the ravens might actually be a good spot for him; it's ray lewis' clubhouse and they need a #1 receiver badly.

 

You have to wonder what Harbaugh's impression of TO from his time there. He was special teams coach then, right?

 

yeah i'd guess his impression of t.o. probably isn't so hot.

[dew1679666265]

Shocker of all shockers: Apparently the Raiders are not interested in Terrell Owens.

 

The store has been open for a week now, and the Raiders are still sticking to their new free-agency policy: re-sign players within, look for affordable value on the market, and do not — repeat, not — go after overpaid, big-name players.

 

“It’s like a complete 180 from last year,” one team source said, adding, “There is no way T.O. is coming here.’

[Guest]

The Cowboys signed Igor Olshansky to a 4yr $18 million deal to replace Canty. Good deal for us, I think Olshansky is just as good as Canty but this deal is way better than the ridiculous one Canty got.

[Guest]

TO to Buffalo.

[dew1679666265]

TO to Buffalo.

 

TO

Lee Evans

Josh Reed

James Hardy

 

Nice receiving corps right there. And just a one-year deal for TO should ensure that he acts as nice as he can.

[TruffleShuffle]

wow buffalo? that's out of nowhere.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I guess Rosenhaus (sp?) wasnt joking

[Guest]

Thank goodness.

 

I still have my doubts that Davis is actually going to take a WR in the first round though.

[dew1679666265]

Just to make OMC drool a little, Drew Brees is fantasizing about LT turning down the Chargers' offer and signing with the Saints.

 

I’d love to have him in New Orleans,” Brees told San Diego’s XX 1090 AM. “I’d love to be his teammate again. I think L.T.’s got a lot of great years left in him, so we’ll see what happens.”

Brees admitted to having a discussion with Tomlinson regarding the situation in San Diego.

“We’ve talked a few times. Really just to catch up with him and see how he’s feeling and everything else,” Brees said. “It’s hard not to talk about that situation just because it’s right here in front of him."