Sammy Sosa and Steroids

[atcfootball]

Let me start this off with saying, do "I" feel Sosa used them? Yes.

 

With the new report of A-Rod LINK using it makes me wonder, how/why has Sosa been able to go so long without being pointed out as a user? Sure I understand people will say he got them from his home country, thus he will never be pointed out as a user. To me this has nothing to do with it. Why has it not been brought to light the same way as Miguel Tejada (Dominican Republic) or even A-Rod. A-Rod's name comes up as one of the 104 positive tests in 03, why has Sosa's name not come up? Why has no former trainer for the Cubs came forward and said, yes Sosa was a user?

 

Baseball has had two hearings, a Mitchell Report, countless books and much more, yet Sosa is never named in any of them (unless I missed it), why? Sure during the hearing he lost his command of English, but if I was a player in a foreign country, in front of government officials on national TV and speaking my second language I would want to know for sure I was hearing/saying the right thing. Here is one article I have found about Sosa and steroids LINK. After reading the article the only thing I can get from it is the writer is an a$$. I remember when this was first news and thought Sosa is guilty because of it. Now after reading it again and knowing a little more about players union and so on, I can understand Sosa's reaction.

 

I named my first son after Sammy, I sure as hell don't want him to be guilty of steroids (although deep down I think he did use them), I just wonder, why has his name not come up more often other then just forums or "talk". No news reports, no positive tests, no "he said, she said" nothing...... I wonder why?

[Clem Fandango]

If Sosa was a user, then clearly he wasn't an idiot like every other person who has been caught and juiced up with a bunch of teammates or club personnel or whatever. He probably did it by himself in private, and obviously not tell anyone.

 

Secondly, as we saw in the Mitchell Report a lot of people kept receipts and/or checks that were used and were signed off by the players. As someone mentioned after the report came out, if Sosa was using, he probably paid cash, and he probably did it discreetly. As in, he didn't buy them from a store that took credit cards, or from a clubhouse trainer, or a notorious MLB supplier. He probably had his own private connections. Which could be a reason he was not included in the Mitchell Report.

 

Thirdly, if any of what I alluded to is true, then Sosa will probably never be busted and only be a speculative user based on his power surge and his congress testimony debacle. Other than that, there is no proof to prove him otherwise, and that "proof" isn't even proof at all. Every inkling of Sammy Sosa as a steroid user is nothing but 100% pure unbridled speculation.

 

That being said, I think he was definitely a steroid user... but I don't give a crap either way. He's still one of my favorite Cubs ever, and will forever be remembered for helping revive baseball's glory in 1998. If steroids were responsible for that, then I'm glad he used them

[wrigley23]

it doesn't take a marine biologist to figure out who the 'roid users were. The biggest proof is in the before & after photos. Head sizes do not change that drastically unless you juice. These are the biggest implicators of all.

[Sammy Sofa]

it doesn't take a marine biologist to figure out who the 'roid users were. The biggest proof is in the before & after photos. Head sizes do not change that drastically unless you juice. These are the biggest implicators of all.

 

Remarkable detective work, sir.

[SouthSideRyan]

it doesn't take a marine biologist to figure out who the 'roid users were. The biggest proof is in the before & after photos. Head sizes do not change that drastically unless you juice. These are the biggest implicators of all.

 

Love the euphemism.

[SouthSideRyan]

it doesn't take a marine biologist to figure out who the 'roid users were. The biggest proof is in the before & after photos. Head sizes do not change that drastically unless you juice. These are the biggest implicators of all.

 

Ha, marine biologist.

[fivepercent]

That being said, I think he was definitely a steroid user... but I don't give a crap either way. He's still one of my favorite Cubs ever, and will forever be remembered for helping revive baseball's glory in 1998. If steroids were responsible for that, then I'm glad he used them

 

Don't agree at all. To each their own though.

 

IMO Sosa hasnt had any evidence pop up yet because we are still pretty early in finding out just how rampant the use was. Obviously the Mitchell Report was big, but to keep it in perspective, it only revealed a few of the dealers. Look at how many names came from just that. I'm sure theres people out there that know exactly what Sammy did or didnt do. They just havent had a reason to tell yet.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'll take the head size argument more seriously when I see comparable photos examined.

[SpongeWorthy]

It's very possible (likely?) that the majority of guys who used steroids will never be fingered in the way players were in the Michell Report, BALCO investigation, books, and other media reports. That could change if a bunch of positive tests are unsealed or revealed ala ARod. That being said, it's still a little surprising that Sosa hasn't really come up in any of this given that he's right up there with Bonds, McGwire, and Clemens as inviting targets to out.

 

But I still think he did 'em.

[MPrior]

it doesn't take a marine biologist to figure out who the 'roid users were. The biggest proof is in the before & after photos. Head sizes do not change that drastically unless you juice. These are the biggest implicators of all.

 

Ha, marine biologist.

 

I had the same thought. A marine biologist?

[SpongeWorthy]

 

There's your marine biologist reference.

 

"The sea was angry that day...like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli."

[Andy]

Maybe he used, maybe he didn't, but I find it telling that he's one of the guys whom everyone wants evidence about, and none has ever come up.

[wade]

Maybe he used, maybe he didn't, but I find it telling that he's one of the guys whom everyone wants evidence about, and none has ever come up.

 

None ever came up about Arod until recently, either. At this point, I think it's safe to assume they nearly all were using and that tons still are, but are being more judicious about their use.

[WrigleyField 22]

Maybe he used, maybe he didn't, but I find it telling that he's one of the guys whom everyone wants evidence about, and none has ever come up.

 

None ever came up about Arod until recently, either. At this point, I think it's safe to assume they nearly all were using and that tons still are, but are being more judicious about their use.

But did anyone really want to find info on ARod? I think Andy's point is that hypothetically people are compelled to actively look for dirt on Sosa and haven't come up with anything.

[TruffleShuffle]

Maybe he used, maybe he didn't, but I find it telling that he's one of the guys whom everyone wants evidence about, and none has ever come up.

 

None ever came up about Arod until recently, either. At this point, I think it's safe to assume they nearly all were using and that tons still are, but are being more judicious about their use.

But did anyone really want to find info on ARod? I think Andy's point is that hypothetically people are compelled to actively look for dirt on Sosa and haven't come up with anything.

 

this is true. it's not like sosa isn't implicated because nobody really cares whether he juiced. i can guarantee you that magazines, newspapers and tv stations have dug into sosa's past to try to find proof - circumstantial or otherwise - that he used roids. he was one of the biggest baseball stars in the '90s and it would be a big story to whoever broke it.

[wade]

Maybe he used, maybe he didn't, but I find it telling that he's one of the guys whom everyone wants evidence about, and none has ever come up.

 

None ever came up about Arod until recently, either. At this point, I think it's safe to assume they nearly all were using and that tons still are, but are being more judicious about their use.

But did anyone really want to find info on ARod? I think Andy's point is that hypothetically people are compelled to actively look for dirt on Sosa and haven't come up with anything.

 

this is true. it's not like sosa isn't implicated because nobody really cares whether he juiced. i can guarantee you that magazines, newspapers and tv stations have dug into sosa's past to try to find proof - circumstantial or otherwise - that he used roids. he was one of the biggest baseball stars in the '90s and it would be a big story to whoever broke it.

 

And that's different from A-Rod, how?

 

It's a way bigger story that A-Rod used over Sammy, in my opinion.

[bcl412]

Sosa most likely did use but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. Maybe he actually did work his ass off and bulk up the way he did. It's logical to think that he had the resources in the US that he didn't growing up in the Dominican. It's always possible.

 

That and people probably wanted to catch him because he's egotistical and the corked bat thing and he's never been caught. So maybe he didn't use.

 

(Or maybe this is just wishful thinking as he is the player who made me fall in love with the Cubs in 1998)

[bcl412]

Maybe he used, maybe he didn't, but I find it telling that he's one of the guys whom everyone wants evidence about, and none has ever come up.

 

None ever came up about Arod until recently, either. At this point, I think it's safe to assume they nearly all were using and that tons still are, but are being more judicious about their use.

But did anyone really want to find info on ARod? I think Andy's point is that hypothetically people are compelled to actively look for dirt on Sosa and haven't come up with anything.

 

this is true. it's not like sosa isn't implicated because nobody really cares whether he juiced. i can guarantee you that magazines, newspapers and tv stations have dug into sosa's past to try to find proof - circumstantial or otherwise - that he used roids. he was one of the biggest baseball stars in the '90s and it would be a big story to whoever broke it.

 

And that's different from A-Rod, how?

 

It's a way bigger story that A-Rod used over Sammy, in my opinion.

 

Probably. Because most everybody has concluded Sosa is guilty and A-Rod at this time is a fairly big figure outside of the sports world.

[wrigley23]

so you guys that think Slammy didn't inject, you think it's normal for your melon to nearly double in size in just a few yrs time? How many other people do you know that this happens to?

[SouthSideRyan]

His head didn't double in size.

[wrigley23]

also, don't you find it quite ironic that just after the media finally broke silence that these guys either suddenly retired or saw their production drop dramatically? Was this all just a coinky-dink?

[TruffleShuffle]

so you guys that think Slammy didn't inject, you think it's normal for your melon to nearly double in size in just a few yrs time? How many other people do you know that this happens to?

 

that was so kind of him to let you measure the circumference of his head.

[TruffleShuffle]

His head didn't double in size.

 

oh yeah?

 

before:

http://www.themoviemind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sosa-normal.jpg

 

after:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MkZIP-tCAM0/Rz3PoEbKYbI/AAAAAAAAAIM/Dc2vM43nSOQ/s320/smp_sparty_flags_000.jpg

 

 

pretty damning imo

[bcl412]

His head didn't double in size.

 

oh yeah?

 

before:

http://www.themoviemind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sosa-normal.jpg

 

after:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MkZIP-tCAM0/Rz3PoEbKYbI/AAAAAAAAAIM/Dc2vM43nSOQ/s320/smp_sparty_flags_000.jpg

 

 

pretty damning imo

 

:clapping: Well played

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

There's certainly some circumstantial evidence that would tend to point to Sammy as a user, but really nothing tangible.

 

I'm not going to buy the size of his head argument unless someone has some before and after measurements.

 

The facts are that there's never been anything that could remotely be considered proof that Sammy abused steroids. No one has caught him buying, we have no failed tests, and we don't have any witness accounts of his discussing usage or witnessing his usage.

 

Until at least there is at least something of that nature, I'm going to say that he didn't use. I won't be shocked if any of those things ever came to light, but right now, I don't think anyone can honestly accuse him. If so, I guess anyone could be accused.