Rich Hill traded to Baltimore for PTBNL

[cubbinalltheway]

he should grow a moustache and punch his teammates and get ejected from games and make a huge production when teammates make an error and break bats over his knee. then people would like him.

that or he could just, you know, throw strikes or something.

[17 Seconds]

he should grow a moustache and punch his teammates and get ejected from games and make a huge production when teammates make an error and break bats over his knee. then people would like him.

that or he could just, you know, throw strikes or something.

 

even when he was doing that people still hated him

[questionmarkgrace]

I should clarify when I said I never liked Rich Hill the pitcher, I meant I never thought he was that great, which is why I wrote Rich Hill the pitcher.

 

Rich Hill the person, I could care less about. If you look at his 2007 stats he was not that great. Take away the month of april where he went 3-1 with a superb 1.77 era. and you have nothing more than a mediocre pitcher. He had a 4.40 era after april and a whip of 1.27 good for about 50th among starters with 100 or more innings that year. Thus for five months out of the year Rich Hill was nothing more than a league average pitcher. He had one good month thats pretty much it. NL West teams and NL east teams, the good divisions that year; manhandeled him. 7 of his 11 wins came against the central which if you guys remember correctly was mediocre. Vs everyone else Rich was 3 and 7 with a whip of 1.354. So forgive me but this is why I think Rich will get beat up in the AL. There are no Pirates, Reds, or Astros in the AL. ALso the AL is not kind to guys who have controll problems.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Take away the month of april where he went 3-1 with a superb 1.77 era. and you have nothing more than a mediocre pitcher.

 

*sigh*

[SouthSideRyan]

Hey guys, take away this shitty guy's best 5 start span, and compare him to everyone else in the majors including their best 5 start stint and he's only average!!

 

[expletive] that guy!

[17 Seconds]

I should clarify when I said I never liked Rich Hill the pitcher, I meant I never thought he was that great, which is why I wrote Rich Hill the pitcher.

 

Rich Hill the person, I could care less about. If you look at his 2007 stats he was not that great. Take away the month of april where he went 3-1 with a superb 1.77 era. and you have nothing more than a mediocre pitcher.

 

Or take away his awful September and you have an ace!

 

You don't accumulate a 1.19 WHIP and a 3:1 K:BB over almost 200 innings without being good for the majority of the season, which he was.

[questionmarkgrace]

I Split G GS GF W L S CG SHO IP ERA H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP

+-+------------+---+---+--+--+--+--+--+---+-----+------+---+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+

April/March 5 5 0 3 1 0 0 0 35.2 1.77 20 7 7 3 11 0 29 1

May 5 5 0 1 3 0 0 0 29 4.66 26 15 15 7 12 1 28 3

June 6 6 0 1 1 0 0 0 33.1 4.32 31 18 16 6 8 0 33 1

July 4 4 0 1 1 0 0 0 25 3.96 26 12 11 4 10 1 23 1

August 6 6 0 2 1 0 0 0 38.1 3.99 36 18 17 4 10 1 41 3

Sept/Oct 6 6 0 3 1 0 0 0 33.2 5.08 31 19 19 3 12 0 29 3

Whether you want to believe it or not he was pretty much average to below average. He had one good month. You cant argue with the stats. I bet you guys think the guy below was a star too.

 

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BA OBP SLG OPS

april: 100 22 30 6 2 5 22.300 .330 .550 .880

may: 108 12 36 5 1 6 20.333 .345 .565 .910

 

Even Corey Patterson had a good month. One month doesnt make someone a star.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Why is it ok to get rid of the "one good month" but not the "one bad month?"

[SouthSideRyan]

Why is it ok to get rid of the "one good month" but not the "one bad month?"

 

Cause he's a headcase, one pitch rich, doesn't show emotion, etc.

[Illini Iceman]

Why is it ok to get rid of the "one good month" but not the "one bad month?"

 

Cause he's a headcase, one pitch rich, doesn't show emotion, etc.

 

Yeah, you are right, there a bunch of fans that just irrationally want him to fail. And Matt Murton.

 

If you go ahead and throw out his worst month his numbers are still not that great.

 

If Hill had the same career to date with some other club I find it hard to believe that anyone would be looking for the Cubs to be trying to pick him up this offseason. At this point he is project with no options remaining that a contending team with a pretty good pitching staff can not afford to carry.

[ReadytoPlayCF]

I am one of the many fans who fall in love with prospects because of their possibilities. Because of that I didn't like the way Lou and Hendry handled both Hill's and Pie's situation. But in reality, Lou was hired to win big NOW, so he had/has to have a very short line on young, unproven, prospect type players. Hill and Pie may or may not be good long term in the majors, but they needed a team not as desperate to win now as our Cubs have been lately. I still root for Hill and Pie because I have rooted for them for so long now, but if they indeed pan out it is not the fault of the Cubs or Lou...just the situation, imo.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

At this point he is project with no options remaining that a contending team with a pretty good pitching staff can not afford to carry.

 

The fact that this is true doesn't make the 'one good month' argument any less asinine.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Not only is it stupid to dismiss "one good months and five average ones" (which puts you ahead of most major-league players anyway), I'd like to know where you were shopping for 4.40 ERA pitchers in the 2007 NL that made them average. The league average for a starter that year in the NL was 4.64.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rich Hill had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2008.

[Illini Iceman]

Rich Hill had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2008.

 

Zambrano sucked for a lot of last season and 2007 was Hill's best year. So what's your point? Zambrano at his worst matches Hill at his best. I guess I can agree with that.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rich Hill had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2008.

 

Zambrano sucked for a lot of last season and 2007 was Hill's best year. So what's your point? Zambrano at his worst matches Hill at his best. I guess I can agree with that.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.52 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

[Warren Brusstar]

rich was on the score this morning. he absolutely insisted that the reason he struggled last season was because of his back injury and his should trouble.

 

abuck told me it was all Larry Rothschild's fault, so I don't believe that.

[questionmarkgrace]

Zambrano is far from perfect but he has showed consistent stretches of pitching at an exceptional level.

 

Rich Hill on the other only has those few games to stand on and that was two or more years ago. What has he done to warrant the cubs keeping him around? Mark Prior was awesome in 03 does that mean he will be this year? Should we have kept him? Hee Sop Choi had an ops of .988 in april of 03 was it a mistake to get rid of him? Cause that is where your line of thinking goes.

 

Rich has poor control, a sub par fast ball, and doesnt even have a third pitch. It makes him predictable and inefficient. Not to mention he is easy to rattle. Dont forget this is the same guy who had a 6.86 era in the Venezeulla Winter league.

 

If you want to continue thinking that we traded the next Walter Johnson then fine, thats your perogative. But know that the stats point in the other direction.

[SouthSideRyan]

Zambrano is far from perfect but he has showed consistent stretches of pitching at an exceptional level.

 

Rich Hill on the other only has those few games to stand on and that was two or more years ago. What has he done to warrant the cubs keeping him around? Mark Prior was awesome in 03 does that mean he will be this year? Should we have kept him? Hee Sop Choi had an ops of .988 in april of 03 was it a mistake to get rid of him? Cause that is where your line of thinking goes.

 

Rich has poor control, a sub par fast ball, and doesnt even have a third pitch. It makes him predictable and inefficient. Not to mention he is easy to rattle. Dont forget this is the same guy who had a 6.86 era in the Venezeulla Winter league.

 

If you want to continue thinking that we traded the next Walter Johnson then fine, thats your perogative. But know that the stats point in the other direction.

 

WHAT THE [expletive] ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

[17 Seconds]

Rich Hill on the other only has those few games to stand on.

 

Why do you keep lying?

 

I'll say this again since you ignore it the first time. You don't accumulate a 1.19 WHIP an a 3:1 K:BB over 200 innings but having one good month.

 

This "take out his one good month" garbage has to stop.

[cubsclapp]

He's right. Hill dominated in September '06 and April '07, but was just above average after that. When you're a two pitch starting pitcher, the league's going to figure you out eventually. Additionally, everybody and their mother that watched Hill pitch all these games could tell he lacked mental toughness.

[Illini Iceman]

Rich Hill had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2008.

 

Zambrano sucked for a lot of last season and 2007 was Hill's best year. So what's your point? Zambrano at his worst matches Hill at his best. I guess I can agree with that.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.52 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Fine. You win. Rich Hill and Zambrano are equal pitchers. Next can we compare Ryan Theriot to Aramis Ramirez as hitters based on batting average?

 

Almost everyone liked Rich Hill. Then he flamed out. I don't see why some people expect undying love and loyalty from all fans for a guy that had one pretty good season.

[17 Seconds]

Rich Hill had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2008.

 

Zambrano sucked for a lot of last season and 2007 was Hill's best year. So what's your point? Zambrano at his worst matches Hill at his best. I guess I can agree with that.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.52 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Fine. You win. Rich Hill and Zambrano are equal pitchers. Next can we compare Ryan Theriot to Aramis Ramirez as hitters based on batting average?

 

Almost everyone liked Rich Hill. Then he flamed out. I don't see why some people expect undying love and loyalty from all fans for a guy that had one pretty good season.

 

Rich Hill was better in 2007 than Zambrano was in 2007 or 2008

[TruffleShuffle]

He's right. Hill dominated in September '06 and April '07, but was just above average after that. When you're a two pitch starting pitcher, the league's going to figure you out eventually. Additionally, everybody and their mother that watched Hill pitch all these games could tell he lacked mental toughness.

 

so even if he wasn't dominant, isn't an above-average pitcher still pretty good?

[Illini Iceman]

Rich Hill had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.40 ERA when removing his best month in 2008.

 

Zambrano sucked for a lot of last season and 2007 was Hill's best year. So what's your point? Zambrano at his worst matches Hill at his best. I guess I can agree with that.

 

Carlos Zambrano had a 4.52 ERA when removing his best month in 2007.

 

Fine. You win. Rich Hill and Zambrano are equal pitchers. Next can we compare Ryan Theriot to Aramis Ramirez as hitters based on batting average?

 

Almost everyone liked Rich Hill. Then he flamed out. I don't see why some people expect undying love and loyalty from all fans for a guy that had one pretty good season.

 

Rich Hill was better in 2007 than Zambrano was in 2007 or 2008

 

If 2007 Rich Hill would like to come back I would love to see him in the rotation. I will also fill out that rotation with 1976 Mark Fidrych, 2003 Mark Prior and 1981 Fernando Valenzuela.

 

Unfortunately, I want the 2009 versions of none of those pitchers taking the mound for the Cubs every 5th day.

 

So again, I don't see what the point is. People liked Hill when he was good. Now that he can't throw strikes and has no options remaining, time to move on. Sean Marshall seems to have a chance to be a pretty comparable pitcher to the "good" Rich Hill. I would rather take my chances with him instead of having to sweat out every start with Hill and wonder if he is going to be effective.