Hendry Needs To Go

[biittner77]

I don't think you'll get far compiling post-season winning percentage though. Example: Are you going to try and state that Schuerholz was a poor GM during the Braves amazing run in the '90s and '00s because the players only delivered 1/14 rings from '91 to '05 (going 63-63 in those games)?

 

To play devils advocate, the Brave's shortcomings always seemed to be lack of offense and lack of late inning relief. Perhaps if the Braves had altered the formula (Like say replace Sid bream with somebody with more of an impact) they may have been able to win more championships.

 

Hendry has shown can he can evolve. 3 years ago he was saying things like "I don't pay much attention to on base percentage" and the players he signed (Jacques Jones for example) showed that he meant that. Lately he seems to have targeted OBP guys like Derosa, Kendall, Fukudome, and now Bradley.

[erik316wttn]

I don't think you'll get far compiling post-season winning percentage though. Example: Are you going to try and state that Schuerholz was a poor GM during the Braves amazing run in the '90s and '00s because the players only delivered 1/14 rings from '91 to '05 (going 63-63 in those games)?

 

To play devils advocate, the Brave's shortcomings always seemed to be lack of offense and lack of late inning relief. Perhaps if the Braves had altered the formula (Like say replace Sid bream with somebody with more of an impact) they may have been able to win more championships.

 

Hendry has shown can he can evolve. 3 years ago he was saying things like "I don't pay much attention to on base percentage" and the players he signed (Jacques Jones for example) showed that he meant that. Lately he seems to have targeted OBP guys like Derosa, Kendall, Fukudome, and now Bradley.

 

He can evolve, yes, but then he moves on to his next ridiculous idea: "I like guys who can catch the ball", the obsessive need for a lefty bat when there are better righty ones to be had, etc.

[jersey cubs fan]

To play devils advocate, the Brave's shortcomings always seemed to be lack of offense and lack of late inning relief.

 

Huh? They regularly had a top 5 scoring offense, and finished 1, 2 or 3 multiple times during their run. They struggled to score in the early 2000's, but offense was not always a shortcoming. Wasn't their biggest issue that their better pitchers didn't always pitch all that great in October?

[TheDude]

I don't think you'll get far compiling post-season winning percentage though. Example: Are you going to try and state that Schuerholz was a poor GM during the Braves amazing run in the '90s and '00s because the players only delivered 1/14 rings from '91 to '05 (going 63-63 in those games)?

 

To play devils advocate, the Brave's shortcomings always seemed to be lack of offense and lack of late inning relief. Perhaps if the Braves had altered the formula (Like say replace Sid bream with somebody with more of an impact) they may have been able to win more championships.

 

Hendry has shown can he can evolve. 3 years ago he was saying things like "I don't pay much attention to on base percentage" and the players he signed (Jacques Jones for example) showed that he meant that. Lately he seems to have targeted OBP guys like Derosa, Kendall, Fukudome, and now Bradley.

 

He can evolve, yes, but then he moves on to his next ridiculous idea: "I like guys who can catch the ball", the obsessive need for a lefty bat when there are better righty ones to be had, etc.

 

As I had noted previously, Hendry's obsessive need for more LH in the lineup isn't out of the blue. He feels there is a direct correlation to the loss in the Dodgers series last year and this LH gap in the lineup. It looks like he wants to ensure a RH-dominated rotation won't get the best of the team again.

 

Whether he is right or wrong is up for debate. I don't think he is necessarily wrong, but shifting money by moving DeRosa and signing Miles wasn't the answer. Bradley helps. Roberts would help more.

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what were the odds that this thread gets made without a post from jeffh on the first page

[javy knows my name]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can [expletive] my sister

[Post Count Padder]

This offseason has sucked so far, but Hendry's been at least a league average GM since he took the job and has made great trades like the ones for Harden, Ramirez and (at the time) Nomar. I'm not saying he's an amazing GM but this is a little bit of an overreaction.

[17 Seconds]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

Sean Gallagher is a table scrap?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

Sean Gallagher is a table scrap?

 

Considering what you usually have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher via trade, yes.

[17 Seconds]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

Sean Gallagher is a table scrap?

 

Considering what you usually have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher via trade, yes.

 

You mean considering what you have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher who is constantly hurt. It's notl ike we traded for Sabathia.

 

Anyways, it doesn't matter. The player you're trading for doesn't change what a player is. Gallagher is a not a "table scrap" in any situation.

 

Just to be clea,r I liked the trade. I'm just saying Gallagher is not a table scrap.

[Gingerballs Lives]

I'm not sure Hendry needs to go but this offseason has certainly sucked viciously. I've hated just about every move.

 

Bradley is a terrible move, imo. The dude just can't stay healthy, and now he has to play the field everyday?

 

Our backups suck Howry. We have 3 or 4 fragile guys and our best backup available is Aaron freakin Miles.

 

The bullpen and rotation are weaker than they were when the season ended. Hendry keeps saying the team will be better when the season starts but I don't see it.

 

Bah.

[The Other 15]

I'm not sure Hendry needs to go but this offseason has certainly sucked viciously. I've hated just about every move.

 

Bradley is a terrible move, imo. The dude just can't stay healthy, and now he has to play the field everyday?

 

Our backups suck Howry. We have 3 or 4 fragile guys and our best backup available is Aaron freakin Miles.

 

The bullpen and rotation are weaker than they were when the season ended. Hendry keeps saying the team will be better when the season starts but I don't see it.

 

Bah.

Breathe. It's way too early to be out on the ledge. The guy has built 3 division winners in 6 years (narrowly missing a 4th).

This year will offer some very interesting players at the deadline and Hendry has shown he's not shy to play that game.

[javy knows my name]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

Sean Gallagher is a table scrap?

 

Considering what you usually have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher via trade, yes.

 

You mean considering what you have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher who is constantly hurt. It's notl ike we traded for Sabathia.

 

Anyways, it doesn't matter. The player you're trading for doesn't change what a player is. Gallagher is a not a "table scrap" in any situation.

 

Just to be clea,r I liked the trade. I'm just saying Gallagher is not a table scrap.

 

So you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I like Gallagher, too, but the fact of the matter is that he didn't have a future with the Cubs so by giving him up we didn't give up any value. He was, for all intents and purposes, one of three spare parts we gave up for an outstanding young pitcher.

With all due respect to his Dad or whatever, I reiterate, table scraps.

[The Other 15]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

Sean Gallagher is a table scrap?

 

Considering what you usually have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher via trade, yes.

 

You mean considering what you have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher who is constantly hurt. It's notl ike we traded for Sabathia.

 

Anyways, it doesn't matter. The player you're trading for doesn't change what a player is. Gallagher is a not a "table scrap" in any situation.

 

Just to be clea,r I liked the trade. I'm just saying Gallagher is not a table scrap.

 

So you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I like Gallagher, too, but the fact of the matter is that he didn't have a future with the Cubs so by giving him up we didn't give up any value. He was, for all intents and purposes, one of three spare parts we gave up for an outstanding young pitcher.

With all due respect to his Dad or whatever, I reiterate, table scraps.

You shouldn't worry. Everyone with a IQ higher than a argumentative 6th grader looking for attention understood what you meant.

[CUBZ99]

The Cubs could do alot worse than Hendry. Overall, Hendry has done a pretty good job with the club.

[17 Seconds]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

Sean Gallagher is a table scrap?

 

Considering what you usually have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher via trade, yes.

 

You mean considering what you have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher who is constantly hurt. It's notl ike we traded for Sabathia.

 

Anyways, it doesn't matter. The player you're trading for doesn't change what a player is. Gallagher is a not a "table scrap" in any situation.

 

Just to be clea,r I liked the trade. I'm just saying Gallagher is not a table scrap.

 

So you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I like Gallagher, too, but the fact of the matter is that he didn't have a future with the Cubs so by giving him up we didn't give up any value. He was, for all intents and purposes, one of three spare parts we gave up for an outstanding young pitcher.

With all due respect to his Dad or whatever, I reiterate, table scraps.

You shouldn't worry. Everyone with a IQ higher than a argumentative 6th grader looking for attention understood what you meant.

 

Either that or you're just trying t start problems again.

 

So let me get this strait, I'm taking things out of context and just trying to start a fight based on semantics?

 

Gere is what he said

 

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

How can you even say that's an accurate statement? Obviously he is saying Hendry got Harden without giving uo anything of value. Is that not what "table scraps" means? Hendry got a good deal, but he also gave up a good starting pitching prospect.

 

To imply that he got him for "table scraps" when Gallagher was a well above average pospect just doesn't make sense. Yet I'm doing it to start a fight? okay.

[17 Seconds]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

Sean Gallagher is a table scrap?

 

Considering what you usually have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher via trade, yes.

 

You mean considering what you have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher who is constantly hurt. It's notl ike we traded for Sabathia.

 

Anyways, it doesn't matter. The player you're trading for doesn't change what a player is. Gallagher is a not a "table scrap" in any situation.

 

Just to be clea,r I liked the trade. I'm just saying Gallagher is not a table scrap.

 

So you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I like Gallagher, too, but the fact of the matter is that he didn't have a future with the Cubs so by giving him up we didn't give up any value. He was, for all intents and purposes, one of three spare parts we gave up for an outstanding young pitcher.

With all due respect to his Dad or whatever, I reiterate, table scraps.

 

Wait, so Gallagher didn't have any value when we traded him?

 

There's one very big flaw of what you're saying. Just because Gallagher doesn't fit into our future in your mind, that doesn't mean we "didn't give up any value". Think aobut it. That really makes no sense. Of course he has value, and the fact that we got Harden with him is pretty much proof of that. He has value through trades. If we didn't trade him for Harden, we could have traded him for somebody else. That's his value.

 

Plus he'd be a decent option as our number 5 starter right now, so I don't know how you can say he didn't have a future with the Cubs. It's not like he was a catcher being blocked by Soto. He was a starting pitcher. You always have a future with a any team.

 

Again, I liked the trade, but it's obvious we had to give up something good to get Harden. This is expected. Gallagher was our best pitching prospect at the time and basically the noyl good one we had left. How can you say that he had no value?

[biittner77]

To play devils advocate, the Brave's shortcomings always seemed to be lack of offense and lack of late inning relief.

 

Huh? They regularly had a top 5 scoring offense, and finished 1, 2 or 3 multiple times during their run. They struggled to score in the early 2000's, but offense was not always a shortcoming. Wasn't their biggest issue that their better pitchers didn't always pitch all that great in October?

 

To be honest, I really can't remember much about the Braves during their run other than they seemed to always trade for a starting pitcher and that it seemed like Mark Liemke was their only player that could hit during the playoffs.

 

The knock on the Braves was always that they were built for the long haul and not for the post season. I take that to mean that they had a bunch of impatient fastball hitters that feasted on crappy pitching during the regular season and got dominated during the playoffs. That might just be my perception of them or maybe me projecting the Cubs' flaws on them.

[Banedon]

You shouldn't worry. Everyone with a IQ higher than a argumentative 6th grader looking for attention understood what you meant.

 

Like him or not, if you can't find a better way to argue against an opinion, than insulting someone's intelligence level, then just don't post.

[javy knows my name]

Hendry traded table scraps for Rich Harden. He can **** my sister

 

Sean Gallagher is a table scrap?

 

Considering what you usually have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher via trade, yes.

 

You mean considering what you have to give up to get an ace caliber pitcher who is constantly hurt. It's notl ike we traded for Sabathia.

 

Anyways, it doesn't matter. The player you're trading for doesn't change what a player is. Gallagher is a not a "table scrap" in any situation.

 

Just to be clea,r I liked the trade. I'm just saying Gallagher is not a table scrap.

 

So you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I like Gallagher, too, but the fact of the matter is that he didn't have a future with the Cubs so by giving him up we didn't give up any value. He was, for all intents and purposes, one of three spare parts we gave up for an outstanding young pitcher.

With all due respect to his Dad or whatever, I reiterate, table scraps.

 

Wait, so Gallagher didn't have any value when we traded him?

 

There's one very big flaw of what you're saying. Just because Gallagher doesn't fit into our future in your mind, that doesn't mean we "didn't give up any value". Think aobut it. That really makes no sense. Of course he has value, and the fact that we got Harden with him is pretty much proof of that. He has value through trades. If we didn't trade him for Harden, we could have traded him for somebody else. That's his value.

 

Plus he'd be a decent option as our number 5 starter right now, so I don't know how you can say he didn't have a future with the Cubs. It's not like he was a catcher being blocked by Soto. He was a starting pitcher. You always have a future with a any team.

 

Again, I liked the trade, but it's obvious we had to give up something good to get Harden. This is expected. Gallagher was our best pitching prospect at the time and basically the noyl good one we had left. How can you say that he had no value?

 

I didn't say he didn't have any value at all, I said he didn't have value to the Cubs major league team as it was assembled, and I stand by that. We already had a long man and Gallagher was going to get under-utilized in spot starts and cleanup duty, IMO. And my original point stands, too. Hendry gets big kudos from me for getting one of the best pitchers available (along with a guy who may fill Gallagher's role and even exceed his small contributions to the club) without affecting our everyday lineup or rotation. Win.

[jersey cubs fan]

I didn't say he didn't have any value at all, I said he didn't have value to the Cubs major league team as it was assembled, and I stand by that. We already had a long man and Gallagher was going to get under-utilized in spot starts and cleanup duty, IMO. And my original point stands, too. Hendry gets big kudos from me for getting one of the best pitchers available (along with a guy who may fill Gallagher's role and even exceed his small contributions to the club) without affecting our everyday lineup or rotation. Win.

 

This is a fairly ridiculous point. Any prospect can be described as having no value to the team as currently constructed. Gallagher had value then, and he could have had value now if he was still on the team (considering their lack of rotation depth at this point).

 

Calling him table scraps and saying he had no value is completely inaccurate. You can stand by it all you want, but you are wrong.

[Chuck_Cubs1]

I trust this good man, dialing the phones and working his magic.

 

Hendry is the wizard this team needs for a World Series win , dang you guys act lik hes not one of the best in the game!

[jersey cubs fan]

I trust this good man, dialing the phones and working his magic.

 

Hendry is the wizard this team needs for a World Series win , dang you guys act lik hes not one of the best in the game!

 

It's no act.

[Roast]

I trust this good man, dialing the phones and working his magic.

 

Hendry is the wizard this team needs for a World Series win , dang you guys act lik hes not one of the best in the game!

there's a good reason we act like that.

 

 

I mean, I dont think keeper is right in saying hendry needs to go. I agree he has done a pretty good job with this team, but one of the best in the game? I don't know about that.

[BigbadB]

I trust this good man, dialing the phones and working his magic.

 

Hendry is the wizard this team needs for a World Series win , dang you guys act lik hes not one of the best in the game!

 

Magic? Wizard? Interesting choice of words. Certainly not the words I would use.