2009 Chicago Bears offseason

[Keener98]

Just throwing this out there as I was driving home from work this morning Ted Sundquist(ex front office guy for Broncos) suggested Jeff Garcia would be a good guy for the Bears to bring in. Any thoughts?

[CubColtPacer]

Warner is a FA, but he is taking his team to the SB and will likely be re-signed. Anyone have any interest in a trade for Matt Leinart? I'm not sure he's better than Orton, but he is easily more talented. Any chance Arizona takes Ogunleye?

 

I'm not quite up on NFL rules, how much of his big rookie contract would we be responsible for with Leinart? If that's not a problem, I'd take a flier on him

 

Both teams would be responsible for whatever is left on the deals, both teams would take cap hits related to the pro rated portion the signing bonus, I think.

 

I'm pretty sure the team trading the player away takes the full hit on the bonus and them the team getting the player is responsible for the rest of the contract.

 

That's what I was saying, I guess yours was more clear though. Leinert has been a pretty big disappointment for Arizona. I think Warner is still a solid year or two away from being Hall-worthy on his own, but multiple super bowls have a way of swaying voters. I see him staying in the league. If he was willing to come back at the relatively cheap price he signed for last year, I don't see why he wouldn't reap the benefits of one last contract. I think the Boldin injury thing is behind him.

 

Someone posted an interesting comparison on another board:

 

QB A: 65.4% comp, 28591 yards, 182 TD/114 INT, 8.0 Y/A, 93.8 QB rating

QB B: 63.0% comp, 26446 yards, 197 TD/86 INT, 7.2 Y/A, 92.9 QB rating

 

Both players have made it to multiple Super Bowls. Are both, just one, or neither Hall-worthy and why?

[Derwood]

thank god Rozner is here to tell us that the Bears aren't winning because they just don't want to enough...or something

[jersey cubs fan]

Just throwing this out there as I was driving home from work this morning Ted Sundquist(ex front office guy for Broncos) suggested Jeff Garcia would be a good guy for the Bears to bring in. Any thoughts?

 

If the intention is to bring in a veteran who can compete with, and probably end up backing up Orton, fine. Garcia's name is always at the top of the list of journeyman short-term help at QB. But he's nothing special and I wouldn't want him playing more than a couple games at most.

 

The Bears aren't a wily veteran QB away from contention.

[biittner77]

Someone posted an interesting comparison on another board:

 

QB A: 65.4% comp, 28591 yards, 182 TD/114 INT, 8.0 Y/A, 93.8 QB rating

QB B: 63.0% comp, 26446 yards, 197 TD/86 INT, 7.2 Y/A, 92.9 QB rating

 

Both players have made it to multiple Super Bowls. Are both, just one, or neither Hall-worthy and why?

 

NFL HOF is more about reputation than stats. Very few people know how to calculate QB rating which means that writers probably don't care about it very much.

 

I was going to guess that QB A is Brett Favre and QB B is Kurt Warner.

[jersey cubs fan]

Someone posted an interesting comparison on another board:

 

QB A: 65.4% comp, 28591 yards, 182 TD/114 INT, 8.0 Y/A, 93.8 QB rating

QB B: 63.0% comp, 26446 yards, 197 TD/86 INT, 7.2 Y/A, 92.9 QB rating

 

Both players have made it to multiple Super Bowls. Are both, just one, or neither Hall-worthy and why?

 

NFL HOF is more about reputation than stats. Very few people know how to calculate QB rating which means that writers probably don't care about it very much.

 

I was going to guess that QB A is Brett Favre and QB B is Kurt Warner.

 

Probably Warner and Brady. Brady has 3 rings, which all but guarantees his enshrinement. His totals are still a bit off, but he should have multiple good years ahead of him. Warner has fewer postseason numbers, and only 1 ring (and 1 loss to Brady in the SB).

[rchap24]

Someone posted an interesting comparison on another board:

 

QB A: 65.4% comp, 28591 yards, 182 TD/114 INT, 8.0 Y/A, 93.8 QB rating

QB B: 63.0% comp, 26446 yards, 197 TD/86 INT, 7.2 Y/A, 92.9 QB rating

 

Both players have made it to multiple Super Bowls. Are both, just one, or neither Hall-worthy and why?

 

NFL HOF is more about reputation than stats. Very few people know how to calculate QB rating which means that writers probably don't care about it very much.

 

I was going to guess that QB A is Brett Favre and QB B is Kurt Warner.

 

Probably Warner and Brady. Brady has 3 rings, which all but guarantees his enshrinement. His totals are still a bit off, but he should have multiple good years ahead of him. Warner has fewer postseason numbers, and only 1 ring (and 1 loss to Brady in the SB).

 

Both numbers are not as great as you would hope as a hall of famer, but I think both make it in especially if Warner wins this year

[CubColtPacer]

Someone posted an interesting comparison on another board:

 

QB A: 65.4% comp, 28591 yards, 182 TD/114 INT, 8.0 Y/A, 93.8 QB rating

QB B: 63.0% comp, 26446 yards, 197 TD/86 INT, 7.2 Y/A, 92.9 QB rating

 

Both players have made it to multiple Super Bowls. Are both, just one, or neither Hall-worthy and why?

 

NFL HOF is more about reputation than stats. Very few people know how to calculate QB rating which means that writers probably don't care about it very much.

 

I was going to guess that QB A is Brett Favre and QB B is Kurt Warner.

 

Probably Warner and Brady. Brady has 3 rings, which all but guarantees his enshrinement. His totals are still a bit off, but he should have multiple good years ahead of him. Warner has fewer postseason numbers, and only 1 ring (and 1 loss to Brady in the SB).

 

Yup. QB A is Warner, QB B is Brady.

 

Their postseason numbers actually aren't that different:

 

Warner: 63.9%, 2991 yards, 23 TD/12 INT, 8.3 Y/A, 97.8 rating

Brady: 62.5%, 3954 yards, 26 TD/12 INT, 6.6 Y/A, 88.0 rating

 

I think winning the Super Bowl has to get Warner in if Brady is assumed in as of today (which I think is correct to do). Warner would have one less Superbowl win than Brady, but he also would have been the driving force behind both of his Superbowl teams, which it is questionable if Brady was or not.

 

I think Warner's reputation has suffered though by the unique way his career has developed.

[jersey cubs fan]

Someone posted an interesting comparison on another board:

 

QB A: 65.4% comp, 28591 yards, 182 TD/114 INT, 8.0 Y/A, 93.8 QB rating

QB B: 63.0% comp, 26446 yards, 197 TD/86 INT, 7.2 Y/A, 92.9 QB rating

 

Both players have made it to multiple Super Bowls. Are both, just one, or neither Hall-worthy and why?

 

NFL HOF is more about reputation than stats. Very few people know how to calculate QB rating which means that writers probably don't care about it very much.

 

I was going to guess that QB A is Brett Favre and QB B is Kurt Warner.

 

Probably Warner and Brady. Brady has 3 rings, which all but guarantees his enshrinement. His totals are still a bit off, but he should have multiple good years ahead of him. Warner has fewer postseason numbers, and only 1 ring (and 1 loss to Brady in the SB).

 

Yup. QB A is Warner, QB B is Brady.

 

Their postseason numbers actually aren't that different:

 

Warner: 63.9%, 2991 yards, 23 TD/12 INT, 8.3 Y/A, 97.8 rating

Brady: 62.5%, 3954 yards, 26 TD/12 INT, 6.6 Y/A, 88.0 rating

 

I think winning the Super Bowl has to get Warner in if Brady is assumed in as of today (which I think is correct to do). Warner would have one less Superbowl win than Brady, but he also would have been the driving force behind both of his Superbowl teams, which it is questionable if Brady was or not.

 

I think Warner's reputation has suffered though by the unique way his career has developed.

 

Yeah, it doesn't help that he developed late, then after 3 great seasons playing in a dome, he turned to crap, then disappeared, then struggled to get back to the level he is at now.

 

But Brady has done considerably more in the postseason. QB's get rewarded for getting there and winning, and Brady has done that, with the 1000 more yards to his credit. Although, yes, if Warner wins this year, I think he's definitely in. I still think he's a year or two away for being hall worthy on his own accord - ie. not because his team won the SB.

[dew1679666265]

I thought those here might be interested in this, given the interest Bear fans have had in Albert.

 

Albert Haynesworth - DL - TEN - Jan. 24 - 10:37 pm et

 

There has reportedly been no significant contact between the Titans and Albert Haynesworth thus far on a potential contract.

It's early. The two sides expressed mutual interest right after the season, but the Titans have not yet come up with an offer. Haynesworth has a good chance to be the highest paid defender in the league if he hits the open market. Jan. 24 - 10:37 pm et

 

From Rotoworld.

[rawaction]

Good cheap Free Agents:

 

OT- Vernon Carey- RT for Miami, pretty good run team the last few years. Carey has started 54 straight games (including the playoff game this year) and hasn't missed a game since his rookie season. Only 28 this summer, so should give the Bears 3 good years at RT. Cheaper than Gross and allows the Bears to get a good OT, while still giving Williams a chance to see if he can be an NFL LT.

 

WR- Brandon Jones- Tennessee. Had his best game vs. the Bears (8 cat, 80 yrds). That game was at the end of a 16 catch in 3 games stretch and in the middle of 22 catch 5 game stretch. Good size at 6'1", 212lbs. Could get better at only 27.

 

S- Dawan Landry- Baltimore. Has played SS in his brief career, but has also played with Ed Reed, so FS has been out of the question. Has the skills to play FS, only 26 all thru the 2009 season. He is a restricted FA, but only played 2 games this year for a team that has Leonhard, Zbikowski and Nakumura who can all play SS and also needs to re-sign Ray Lewis and either Bart Scott or Terrell Suggs.

 

Others:

 

QB- David Carr, Kyle Boller, Brock Berlin -- obviously as backups. Best case scenario, one of the first 2 lives up to some of their early hype and beat out Orton and plays a league average QB. All 3 probably need a good QB coach, though.

 

WR- Miles Austin, Malcolm Floyd

[Guest]

I like OJ Atogwe at safety, though he'll be expensive.

[rawaction]

I like OJ Atogwe at safety, though he'll be expensive.

 

I don't want to pay for Atogwe. I'd much go cheaper with Landry or Jermaine Phillips.

[TruffleShuffle]

Someone posted an interesting comparison on another board:

 

QB A: 65.4% comp, 28591 yards, 182 TD/114 INT, 8.0 Y/A, 93.8 QB rating

QB B: 63.0% comp, 26446 yards, 197 TD/86 INT, 7.2 Y/A, 92.9 QB rating

 

Both players have made it to multiple Super Bowls. Are both, just one, or neither Hall-worthy and why?

 

NFL HOF is more about reputation than stats. Very few people know how to calculate QB rating which means that writers probably don't care about it very much.

 

I was going to guess that QB A is Brett Favre and QB B is Kurt Warner.

 

i would just like to inject my opinion about conversation i heard on espn radio last weekend. one host was saying that mcnabb is not a hall of famer and warner is borderline, while the other host said that to him, warner was in but mcnabb had to make at least one or two more super bowls. let me stick up for mcnabb (and perhaps put warner down too). warner has better career numbers and won a super bowl, but he also had the best player in the NFL plus two great WRs in st. louis, and now has the best WR in the nfl plus another #1 WR in arizona. mcnabb had ONE season where he had a WR as good as the WRs that kurt warner has pretty much always played with, and that year he had a 104.7 QB rating and made the super bowl.

[Banedon]

QB- David Carr

 

I said this last year, but I still like Carr for a backup. There's no QB's to get all excited over in the draft, so unless you're gonna make a McNabb-like splash via trade or FA which would obviously bump Orton to backup, then Carr would be a good backup choice.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'd take a flyer on david carr. it seems to me like he never got a chance to play behind a line that could protect him, not that ours could, necessarily.

[Banedon]

i'd take a flyer on david carr. it seems to me like he never got a chance to play behind a line that could protect him, not that ours could, necessarily.

 

He still put up some decent offensive numbers, even without the O-line being strong. He throws a lot of picks, but throws for a lot of yards too.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'd take a flyer on david carr. it seems to me like he never got a chance to play behind a line that could protect him, not that ours could, necessarily.

 

He still put up some decent offensive numbers, even without the O-line being strong. He throws a lot of picks, but throws for a lot of yards too.

 

he never had much of a running game, either, did he?

[Banedon]

i'd take a flyer on david carr. it seems to me like he never got a chance to play behind a line that could protect him, not that ours could, necessarily.

 

He still put up some decent offensive numbers, even without the O-line being strong. He throws a lot of picks, but throws for a lot of yards too.

 

he never had much of a running game, either, did he?

 

Nope. I think he really kinda got a raw deal...franchise QB on an expansion team (lot of hope for success there huh?), and then takes the fall when the team begins to figure itself out. Even if he's not a Bear (doubt he will be), I'm rooting for the guy.

[Soul]

i'd take a flyer on david carr. it seems to me like he never got a chance to play behind a line that could protect him, not that ours could, necessarily.

 

He still put up some decent offensive numbers, even without the O-line being strong. He throws a lot of picks, but throws for a lot of yards too.

 

he never had much of a running game, either, did he?

 

Nope. I think he really kinda got a raw deal...franchise QB on an expansion team (lot of hope for success there huh?), and then takes the fall when the team begins to figure itself out. Even if he's not a Bear (doubt he will be), I'm rooting for the guy.

 

He definitely didn't have much to work with in Texas. I'd pick him up. The only trouble is he wouldn't have much to work with in Chicago either, at least in the short term.

[YearofDaCubs]

i'd take a flyer on david carr. it seems to me like he never got a chance to play behind a line that could protect him, not that ours could, necessarily.

 

He still put up some decent offensive numbers, even without the O-line being strong. He throws a lot of picks, but throws for a lot of yards too.

 

he never had much of a running game, either, did he?

 

Nope. I think he really kinda got a raw deal...franchise QB on an expansion team (lot of hope for success there huh?), and then takes the fall when the team begins to figure itself out. Even if he's not a Bear (doubt he will be), I'm rooting for the guy.

I thought Carr would have been very appealing to the Bears after he left Houston but he was horrible for Carolina when Delhomme went down with an injury. I still wouldn't mind him coming here to replace Grossman but I wouldn't be expecting much if anything.

[rchap24]

i'd take a flyer on david carr. it seems to me like he never got a chance to play behind a line that could protect him, not that ours could, necessarily.

 

He still put up some decent offensive numbers, even without the O-line being strong. He throws a lot of picks, but throws for a lot of yards too.

 

he never had much of a running game, either, did he?

 

Nope. I think he really kinda got a raw deal...franchise QB on an expansion team (lot of hope for success there huh?), and then takes the fall when the team begins to figure itself out. Even if he's not a Bear (doubt he will be), I'm rooting for the guy.

I thought Carr would have been very appealing to the Bears after he left Houston but he was horrible for Carolina when Delhomme went down with an injury. I still wouldn't mind him coming here to replace Grossman but I wouldn't be expecting much if anything.

 

He wears to gay of gloves

[dew1679666265]

i'd take a flyer on david carr. it seems to me like he never got a chance to play behind a line that could protect him, not that ours could, necessarily.

 

He still put up some decent offensive numbers, even without the O-line being strong. He throws a lot of picks, but throws for a lot of yards too.

 

he never had much of a running game, either, did he?

 

Nope. I think he really kinda got a raw deal...franchise QB on an expansion team (lot of hope for success there huh?), and then takes the fall when the team begins to figure itself out. Even if he's not a Bear (doubt he will be), I'm rooting for the guy.

I thought Carr would have been very appealing to the Bears after he left Houston but he was horrible for Carolina when Delhomme went down with an injury. I still wouldn't mind him coming here to replace Grossman but I wouldn't be expecting much if anything.

 

I wonder how much of his issues at this point are mental? I'm not trying to be an amateur psychologist here (I know some people get riled at that :wink: ), but he's definitely got talent. I just wonder because he got absolutely obliterated in Houston and I wonder if he's kind of looking over his shoulder now.

 

I definitely have always liked him, though, and think he'd be an interesting pick up for the Bears.

[imb]

have you guys ever watched carr throw the ball? he looks like john mccain playing long toss.

 

i dont know what houston ever saw in him, except a good-looking white christian, i guess

[minnesotacubsfan]

you mean like meph???

 

Carr would be fine for a back up