Ben Sheets

[Guest]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

Why?

[17 Seconds]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

It's comments like these that lead me to believe that the Cubs prospects stand at best half the chance of other team's prospects to succeed. If they don't immediately perform they're "garbage" and people want to chase them away.

 

Nowhere did I say he was garbage.

 

you compared him to bobby hill and bobby hill was garbage

[CubinNY]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

Why?

Because he is.

 

He had good high school stats with the caveat of Mono (or whatever) his senior year, so that makes 3 good years @ high school. He had a good cape league and viola the "scouts" love his tools. He's not done anything in high school or elsewhere to justify an elite draft status. Then somebody here says they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a perennial all-star. So far the only thing going for him is that he's from SoCal and he'll still only be 19 next year.

 

At least Hill was a great college player.

[CubinNY]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

It's comments like these that lead me to believe that the Cubs prospects stand at best half the chance of other team's prospects to succeed. If they don't immediately perform they're "garbage" and people want to chase them away.

 

Nowhere did I say he was garbage.

 

you compared him to bobby hill and bobby hill was garbage

No I didn't.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He had good high school stats with the caveat of Mono (or whatever) his senior year, so that makes 3 good years @ high school. He had a good cape league and viola the "scouts" love his tools. He's not done anything in high school or elsewhere to justify an elite draft status. Then somebody here says they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a perennial all-star. So far the only thing going for him is that he's from SoCal and he'll still only be 19 next year.

 

That and he tore the cover off the ball last year in Boise at age 18.

[17 Seconds]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

It's comments like these that lead me to believe that the Cubs prospects stand at best half the chance of other team's prospects to succeed. If they don't immediately perform they're "garbage" and people want to chase them away.

 

Nowhere did I say he was garbage.

 

you compared him to bobby hill and bobby hill was garbage

No I didn't.

 

then what is this?

 

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

[Tyrant]

 

He had good high school stats with the caveat of Mono (or whatever) his senior year, so that makes 3 good years @ high school. He had a good cape league and viola the "scouts" love his tools. He's not done anything in high school or elsewhere to justify an elite draft status. Then somebody here says they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a perennial all-star. So far the only thing going for him is that he's from SoCal and he'll still only be 19 next year.

 

He had like a 79-game hitting streak last year or something.

[Guest]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

Why?

Because he is.

 

He had good high school stats with the caveat of Mono (or whatever) his senior year, so that makes 3 good years @ high school. He had a good cape league and viola the "scouts" love his tools. He's not done anything in high school or elsewhere to justify an elite draft status. Then somebody here says they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a perennial all-star. So far the only thing going for him is that he's from SoCal and he'll still only be 19 next year.

 

At least Hill was a great college player.

 

You do realize your third sentence contradicts your first sentence?

 

He was rated highly in his junior year before the senior campaign with mono and was considered a first round talent for the next year's draft after his jr year.

 

He had a tremendous season in the NWL last year at age 18 (slugged .500 and was the only teenager amongst the lead leaguers in OPS and SLG), a season that led to him drawing positive comparisons to Howie Kendrick.

 

He's a top 50 prospect in all of baseball, possibly even higher.

 

And your putting scouts in quotation marks is comical and amusing.

[Post Count Padder]

Vitters isn't overrated.

 

If he hasn't produced much two years from now, then you can argue this.

[imb]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

Why?

Because he is.

 

He had good high school stats with the caveat of Mono (or whatever) his senior year, so that makes 3 good years @ high school. He had a good cape league and viola the "scouts" love his tools. He's not done anything in high school or elsewhere to justify an elite draft status. Then somebody here says they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a perennial all-star. So far the only thing going for him is that he's from SoCal and he'll still only be 19 next year.

 

At least Hill was a great college player.

 

what does a lefthanded pitcher with a sweet mustache from the 80s know anyway

[Rob]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

Why?

Because he is.

 

He had good high school stats with the caveat of Mono (or whatever) his senior year, so that makes 3 good years @ high school. He had a good cape league and viola the "scouts" love his tools. He's not done anything in high school or elsewhere to justify an elite draft status. Then somebody here says they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a perennial all-star. So far the only thing going for him is that he's from SoCal and he'll still only be 19 next year.

 

At least Hill was a great college player.

 

Vitters tied the NWL hit streak record last year, at the meager age of 18. Maybe its a bit early to be writing him off simply because being contrary makes you look cool.

[biittner77]

trade Vitters+ for Hermida

 

sign Sheets

 

done

 

I'm not a big fan of trading Vitters for anything short of a perennial allstar.

Vitters is probably the most overrated Cub prospect since Bobby Hill.

 

Why?

Because he is.

 

He had good high school stats with the caveat of Mono (or whatever) his senior year, so that makes 3 good years @ high school. He had a good cape league and viola the "scouts" love his tools. He's not done anything in high school or elsewhere to justify an elite draft status. Then somebody here says they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a perennial all-star. So far the only thing going for him is that he's from SoCal and he'll still only be 19 next year.

 

At least Hill was a great college player.

 

Vitters tied the NWL hit streak record last year, at the meager age of 18. Maybe its a bit early to be writing him off simply because being contrary makes you look cool.

 

I don't see where he wrote him off, just that he was overrated. Those are 2 different things. Vitters did a lot to justify his draft status this year but he is still young and years away. I'd feel better about him as a prospect if he had made it to Peoria this season and had success there.

[weis21]

Wait, so he's overrated because he's performing as should be expected?

[St.Paul Cub]

I'd love to pick up Sheets on a 2 or 3 year deal. It saves the Cubs a lot of money and prospects the Peavy deal would have taken.

 

My thoughts exactly. He's not Peavy, but he should cost less and we don't have to gut the farm system for him. If we can still move Marquis, I would think we could get Sheets and Bradley. Yeah, you have the same concerns as Harden, but I would be fine with Marshall getting some spot starts.

[Bote McBoteface]

What if Harden and Sheets are out at the same time? Marshall can fill one of those spots adequately, but who would jump into the other slot? If we sign Sheets we'd almost have to keep Marquis around or get another Marquis-like guy. Unless Lou forgives Gaudin for drinking beers.

[Blue W]

Can you imagine the grief we would take from the national pundits if we signed Sheets with Harden in the rotation as well? They would be railing on us that we didn't learn our lesson from the Wood-Prior days. And they might be right. I'd still be willing to take a chance, though.

 

Twice bitten, never shy.

[Mark_R]

 

Because he is.

 

He had good high school stats with the caveat of Mono (or whatever) his senior year, so that makes 3 good years @ high school. He had a good cape league and viola the "scouts" love his tools. He's not done anything in high school or elsewhere to justify an elite draft status. Then somebody here says they wouldn't trade him for anything less than a perennial all-star. So far the only thing going for him is that he's from SoCal and he'll still only be 19 next year.

 

At least Hill was a great college player.

 

This post sucks and thankfully has been dissected many times already.

[CubinNY]

not in the least. He doesn't suck and he's not a bust, but he's had hard time with the glove and you will all have to excuse me if I can't get excited about performance in short season ball.

[The Other 15]

not in the least. He doesn't suck and he's not a bust, but he's had hard time with the glove and you will all have to excuse me if I can't get excited about performance in short season ball.

 

You don't get excited about short seasons, you don't get excited about 3 years of HS excellence, you don't get excited about his Cape League, and you don't get excited about his tools. Voila! You just listed reasons high schoolers get high draft status. You're acting as if no HS players deserve high draft status. Which, if you truly believe, makes you, and not everyone else, the ignorant poster.

[Wheelimus]

Well, it's silly to say you wouldn't trade Vitters for anything but a perennial All-Star. But it's also silly to call him overrated.

 

Like any talent you trade them if the deal makes you better now without mortgaging later. I'd really like to see Vitters stick around and find out what he becomes, though.

[soonercub]

I doubt the Cubs package Vitters unless it nets them an All-star. Hermida hasn't done that yet. One of the reasons is financial, the Cubs paid him $3.4 million to sign. So if you trade him it is basically Vitters + $3.4 million.

 

Also, he is probably the best hitting talent the Cubs have had in their minors in the last 10 years. You got to remind yourself that he was extremely young for his grade level. In today's environment when kids are routinely held back for sports purpose or they start kindergarten late because they are a Summer time birthday, this is not the case for Josh. Josh's birthday is Aug. 27. Also, he has a clean effortless swing (click on his scouting video and enjoy http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2007/drafttracker.jsp ) He also has something most people don't have; 20-10 vision.

 

Here is a snippet from a previous article:

During this past season at Cypress, Vitters was asked by one scout to undergo an eye test. He agreed and visited with Dr. Bill Harrison, a world-renowned optometrist in the field of sports vision in California.

 

Vitters passed the test with flying colors, Weber said.

 

“Dr. Harrison discovered that he has 20-10 vision,” Weber recalled. “This doctor, who has tested every baseball player known to man, said he had never seen anyone’s eyes like this since Barry Bonds when Barry was in his prime.”

 

I hope the Cubs hold on to him and I can't wait to see how he develops. While most Cubs prospects like Pie and Patterson are physically gifted toolsy players you hope can hit. Vitters is a hitter you find a place for.

[Tyrant]

“Dr. Harrison discovered that he has 20-10 vision,” Weber recalled. “This doctor, who has tested every baseball player known to man, said he had never seen anyone’s eyes like this since Barry Bonds when Barry was in his prime.”

 

I find the bolded part a little hyperbolic.