Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[Outshined_One]

I like Vitters, but let's be frank with the guy here. He has not played a full, healthy, and productive season yet. The guy has a great ceiling and is clearly the top prospect in this system, but he's a long way away from the majors.

 

I wouldn't have a problem seeing him go if that would bring Jake Peavy back. I'm not saying the Cubs should overpay for Peavy by adding Vitters to an already loaded package, but Vitters shouldn't be an untouchable.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I like Vitters, but let's be frank with the guy here. He has not played a full, healthy, and productive season yet. The guy has a great ceiling and is clearly the top prospect in this system, but he's a long way away from the majors.

 

I wouldn't have a problem seeing him go if that would bring Jake Peavy back. I'm not saying the Cubs should overpay for Peavy by adding Vitters to an already loaded package, but Vitters shouldn't be an untouchable.

 

My problem is more that I'm not that sold on acquiring Peavy at his current contract, so I'm certainly not giving up anything blue chip.

[squally1313]

Alright I know this is way off topic, but I couldn't find a specific one that worked, and since this one has pretty much morphed into general offseason discussion, I figured I'd throw it in here....

 

Even with the addition of Bradley, it's always good to look for ways to upgrade the offense, and in this offseason, cut down on salary. There's an article in the Washington Post today, and found by MLBTR, that has an agent saying he would be shocked if Adam Dunn got more than $5 million a year. He says Dunn has no big name suitors, and will almost certainly end up with the Nationals because of this. I couldn't find Derrek's 2009 salary, but I know he made $13.2 last year, and I think most people here believe Dunn would be an upgrade over Lee.

 

We know Lee has a no-trade clause, and for a variety of reasons might be unwilling to waive it. But at the risk of sounding too harsh, upgrading from Lee to Dunn at first while paying significantly less (Maybe a 4 year, $30 million deal, plus the incentive of playing for a contender would be enough to get him) would help this team a lot. Additionally, trading Lee for prospects, possibly to the Giants, who could contend in the West and desperately need a first baseman, would go a long way to restocking a farm system that would be pretty bare if the Peavy trade happens. The defense would take a hit, but I think the benefits outweigh the negatives.

 

Again, sorry for being off-topic...searched a while for a Dunn topic and couldn't find any recent one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2009/01/the_market_for_adam_dunn.html?wprss=nationalsjournal

 

One reason that Dunn is getting so few offers is that he wants to play the OF. Some teams had interest in him as either a first baseman or DH, but Dunn wasn't particularly interested in that.

 

I don't think Dunn is really an upgrade over Lee, and he isn't going to take a 4 year deal that only pays him 7.5 mil a season.

 

I originally didn't think he would take that kind of contract either, but that agent seems to think otherwise, and with money being equal I'm sure he'd rather play for the contending Cubs than the bottom dweller Nats (not factoring in outfield vs first base).

 

In terms of Dunn vs Lee, Dunns OPS projections are at 913/846/871 while Lee's are at 868/870/825. Factor in defense, it's a wash, with Lee probably having a little advantage in terms of simply 2009 first base performance.

 

There are other factors that I think make doing these 2 things very attractive. One, Dunn is 4 years younger, two, it would save salary (assuming Dunn would sign for something like $7-9 million a year, more than what the agent thinks, but admittedly less than the 4/56 he's looking for), and three, trading Lee for prospects would help restock our system.

[BigbadB]

Alright I know this is way off topic, but I couldn't find a specific one that worked, and since this one has pretty much morphed into general offseason discussion, I figured I'd throw it in here....

 

Even with the addition of Bradley, it's always good to look for ways to upgrade the offense, and in this offseason, cut down on salary. There's an article in the Washington Post today, and found by MLBTR, that has an agent saying he would be shocked if Adam Dunn got more than $5 million a year. He says Dunn has no big name suitors, and will almost certainly end up with the Nationals because of this. I couldn't find Derrek's 2009 salary, but I know he made $13.2 last year, and I think most people here believe Dunn would be an upgrade over Lee.

 

We know Lee has a no-trade clause, and for a variety of reasons might be unwilling to waive it. But at the risk of sounding too harsh, upgrading from Lee to Dunn at first while paying significantly less (Maybe a 4 year, $30 million deal, plus the incentive of playing for a contender would be enough to get him) would help this team a lot. Additionally, trading Lee for prospects, possibly to the Giants, who could contend in the West and desperately need a first baseman, would go a long way to restocking a farm system that would be pretty bare if the Peavy trade happens. The defense would take a hit, but I think the benefits outweigh the negatives.

 

Again, sorry for being off-topic...searched a while for a Dunn topic and couldn't find any recent one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2009/01/the_market_for_adam_dunn.html?wprss=nationalsjournal

 

Dunn will get more than 5m. That's just crazy talk. The issue, as has been pointed out, is Dunn's unwillingness to move to 1b. I can think of a host of teams that would love to have Dunn if he'd just move to 1b.

[inari]

I'm not doubting anyone, but where has it been said that Dunn is unwilling to move to first base? For some reason I was under the impression that he always wanted to move to first in Cincinnati but Sean Casey was in the way. Am I making that up?

[Mephistopheles]

Guys, I think we are forgetting what's important here. We need to make sure that this deal gets done before the rosters are locked on MLB 09 The Show so that Jake Peavy is a Cub out of the box, not after the first update. For the sake of the children Jim. Think of the children.

[squally1313]

Alright I know this is way off topic, but I couldn't find a specific one that worked, and since this one has pretty much morphed into general offseason discussion, I figured I'd throw it in here....

 

Even with the addition of Bradley, it's always good to look for ways to upgrade the offense, and in this offseason, cut down on salary. There's an article in the Washington Post today, and found by MLBTR, that has an agent saying he would be shocked if Adam Dunn got more than $5 million a year. He says Dunn has no big name suitors, and will almost certainly end up with the Nationals because of this. I couldn't find Derrek's 2009 salary, but I know he made $13.2 last year, and I think most people here believe Dunn would be an upgrade over Lee.

 

We know Lee has a no-trade clause, and for a variety of reasons might be unwilling to waive it. But at the risk of sounding too harsh, upgrading from Lee to Dunn at first while paying significantly less (Maybe a 4 year, $30 million deal, plus the incentive of playing for a contender would be enough to get him) would help this team a lot. Additionally, trading Lee for prospects, possibly to the Giants, who could contend in the West and desperately need a first baseman, would go a long way to restocking a farm system that would be pretty bare if the Peavy trade happens. The defense would take a hit, but I think the benefits outweigh the negatives.

 

Again, sorry for being off-topic...searched a while for a Dunn topic and couldn't find any recent one.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2009/01/the_market_for_adam_dunn.html?wprss=nationalsjournal

 

Dunn will get more than 5m. That's just crazy talk. The issue, as has been pointed out, is Dunn's unwillingness to move to 1b. I can think of a host of teams that would love to have Dunn if he'd just move to 1b.

 

Dunn, according to MLBTR and that article is looking for 4/56. With that and the agent's claim that he gets no more than $5 million a year, there's clearly a huge gap. But for the sake of conversation that's not about Peavy (for once), would you....

 

Give Dunn the same contract, money wise, that Lee has for the next four years? You'd be getting younger at first base with roughly equal production, adding a lefty bat, and adding whatever prospects Lee gets to the farm system while sacrificing first base defense. Salaries would balance out.

 

Yeah, I know Dunn may not prefer first base, but in this hypothetical, $13/year would possibly be a much higher offer than anything he would get anywhere else.

[inari]

I don't think it's fair to say Dunn and Lee will have equal production; Dunn should be better. I'd do your scenario in a heartbeat, but Jim Hendry almost certainly won't.

[CubColtPacer]

I'm not doubting anyone, but where has it been said that Dunn is unwilling to move to first base? For some reason I was under the impression that he always wanted to move to first in Cincinnati but Sean Casey was in the way. Am I making that up?

 

The story that was posted last page is one example, here's a quote from that article:

 

To complicate matters: Dunn has told at least some teams that he only wants to play OF, not 1B or DH

[BigbadB]

I'm not doubting anyone, but where has it been said that Dunn is unwilling to move to first base? For some reason I was under the impression that he always wanted to move to first in Cincinnati but Sean Casey was in the way. Am I making that up?

 

The story that was posted last page is one example, here's a quote from that article:

 

To complicate matters: Dunn has told at least some teams that he only wants to play OF, not 1B or DH

 

Seems like an odd predicament for Dunn. If he only wants to play the OF, there aren't many teams willing to shell out big money for his poor defense/plus plate production.

 

If he'd be willing to play 1b, I could imagine several teams willing to shell out big money for his ?? 1b defense/plus plate production.

 

He may just have to accept a move to 1b whether he likes it or not.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'm not doubting anyone, but where has it been said that Dunn is unwilling to move to first base? For some reason I was under the impression that he always wanted to move to first in Cincinnati but Sean Casey was in the way. Am I making that up?

 

The story that was posted last page is one example, here's a quote from that article:

 

To complicate matters: Dunn has told at least some teams that he only wants to play OF, not 1B or DH

 

Seems like an odd predicament for Dunn. If he only wants to play the OF, there aren't many teams willing to shell out big money for his poor defense/plus plate production.

 

If he'd be willing to play 1b, I could imagine several teams willing to shell out big money for his ?? 1b defense/plus plate production.

 

He may just have to accept a move to 1b whether he likes it or not.

 

With that in mind, The Giants would be a perfect fit. They need offense badly, and they dont have a legit 1B. That way, they wouldnt have to give up one of their young pitchers for Prince Fielder of someone similar.

[CUBZ99]

Is this the Dunn thread now?

[Proven Veteran]

I'm not doubting anyone, but where has it been said that Dunn is unwilling to move to first base? For some reason I was under the impression that he always wanted to move to first in Cincinnati but Sean Casey was in the way. Am I making that up?

 

The story that was posted last page is one example, here's a quote from that article:

 

To complicate matters: Dunn has told at least some teams that he only wants to play OF, not 1B or DH

 

Seems like an odd predicament for Dunn. If he only wants to play the OF, there aren't many teams willing to shell out big money for his poor defense/plus plate production.

 

If he'd be willing to play 1b, I could imagine several teams willing to shell out big money for his ?? 1b defense/plus plate production.

 

He may just have to accept a move to 1b whether he likes it or not.

 

With that in mind, The Giants would be a perfect fit. They need offense badly, and they dont have a legit 1B. That way, they wouldnt have to give up one of their young pitchers for Prince Fielder of someone similar.

 

Three of their top prospects are 1B (Sandoval probably will end up at 1B). I'm not sure they would be interested in Lee.

[Tyrant]

Is this the Dunn thread now?

 

Every thread is a Dunn thread around here.

[gocubs2118]

Is this the Dunn thread now?

 

Earlier it was a Kevin Gregg and Michael Wuertz thread.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's a "people don't understand that conversations evolve" thread.

 

Oh, and Jake Peavy doesn't know how to win.

[RynoRules]

Or a wanna-be Mod thread.

[A New Era]

It's a "people don't understand that conversations evolve" thread.

 

Oh, and Jake Peavy doesn't know how to win.

 

Evolove? :lol: you mean change the subject?

[BigbadB]

Getting back on topic........

 

Even though yesterday would have been a great day to steal a certain White Sox fans thunder, today makes even more sense to announce a new Cub owner and complete a deal for Jake Peavy. Who's with me?

 

Paging Bruce Miles. Bruce, you are my direct connection to Jim Hendry. Let Jim know that I approve of a Jake Peavy trade. I believe that is the only thing that's been holding up a deal.

[cubbinalltheway]

why does everyone think that bruce miles has all the info? yes, i get that he's closer to the source that we are. much closer. but has he ever been first to report an acquisition? ever? i'm trying to remember, and i can't recall one.

[Little Slide Rooter]

why does everyone think that bruce miles has all the info? yes, i get that he's closer to the source that we are. much closer. but has he ever been first to report an acquisition? ever? i'm trying to remember, and i can't recall one.

 

Like you said, hes closer to the source. While might not be the first to report a done deal, he surely has a better idea of what type of talks may or may not be in progress.

[BigbadB]

but has he ever been first to report an acquisition? ever? i'm trying to remember, and i can't recall one.

 

Seriously, why would that even matter? The grading scale between a good beat writer and a bad one has absolutely nothing to do with who can break a story first.

[cubbinalltheway]

but has he ever been first to report an acquisition? ever? i'm trying to remember, and i can't recall one.

 

Seriously, why would that even matter? The grading scale between a good beat writer and a bad one has absolutely nothing to do with who can break a story first.

cause i constantly see the "bruce what do you know about this" or "bruce has hendry said this" type of posts. when in reality, there's nothing to suggest that hendry tells him anything.

 

i just dont get it.

[BigbadB]

but has he ever been first to report an acquisition? ever? i'm trying to remember, and i can't recall one.

 

Seriously, why would that even matter? The grading scale between a good beat writer and a bad one has absolutely nothing to do with who can break a story first.

cause i constantly see the "bruce what do you know about this" or "bruce has hendry said this" type of posts. when in reality, there's nothing to suggest that hendry tells him anything.

 

i just dont get it.

 

If you've followed Hendry's career as a GM, you'll see that Hendry doesn't really share the kind of information most of us are looking for (offseason moves, for example) with anyone. And if he were to share some of his inner most secrets, he would probably share them with Chicago Tribune writers, since the organization is/was owned by the Tribune.

[cubbinalltheway]

but has he ever been first to report an acquisition? ever? i'm trying to remember, and i can't recall one.

 

Seriously, why would that even matter? The grading scale between a good beat writer and a bad one has absolutely nothing to do with who can break a story first.

cause i constantly see the "bruce what do you know about this" or "bruce has hendry said this" type of posts. when in reality, there's nothing to suggest that hendry tells him anything.

 

i just dont get it.

 

If you've followed Hendry's career as a GM, you'll see that Hendry doesn't really share the kind of information most of us are looking for (offseason moves, for example) with anyone. And if he were to share some of his inner most secrets, he would probably share them with Chicago Tribune writers, since the organization is/was owned by the Tribune.

exactly my point. hence the not understanding of "bruce tell me what you know" that i see everywhere.