Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[MixmastaMiguel]

There is no way that we don't get another starter before the season starts. Yes we have a lot of candidates to start (Marshall, Shark, Gaudin, Guzman, Hart, etc...) but there's no way that a team who wants to win the world series will go into the season with such a huge question mark in their rotation. Especially when we have some injury prone guys in the rotation already. Do I think one of those guys could do a good job in that role? Of course, but why not actually make your team the best it can be? I don't think it makes sense to sign a starter though. I really don't think guys like Perez or Pettitte would really do that much better than one of the above listed, and especially not worth the 10 million dollars they will probably get. If Lowe cost 10 million, then I think he'd be worth it, but he's crazy and asking for over 15. I still see Jake Peavy as the best possible solution here, and he comes just as cheap as guys like Perez or Pettitte in terms of money. And we wouldn't have to give up ANY guys on our 25 man roster.

-Ronny Cedeno will not be on our roster

-Felix Pie will not be on our roster

-3 CLE prospects will not be on our roster

-Josh Vitters will not be on our roster but he is a good prospect

-And then 2 of these 3 pitchers (Wuertz, Hart, Guzman) Because NONE fit on our roster right now.

 

It's that easy, and we keep Marshall to be that insurance man if needed.

Edited January 7, 2009 by MixmastaMiguel

[BigbadB]

Not saying I agree w/ it, but I think the reason DeRo was moved was 3-fold: he was at the peak of his value, he swings w/ the wrong hand & JH thought Bradley could slip away if he didn't move money around & strike while iron was hot. Just my tea leaves...

 

 

That's probably right.

 

I also seem to recall Bruce Miles mentioning that DeRosa was one of the few RH hitting guys Hendry could actually move, due to NTC's.

 

Soriano, Lee and Ramirez aren't going anywhere, for the most part. No team in the world has enough to give the Cubs for Geovany Soto. If the Cubs were going to get more left handed, the only positions they could do it were 2b, RF, CF and SS. Oddly enough, this team isn't really going to be anymore lefthanded in '09 than they have been in the last few years.

 

'08- Edmonds, Fukudome, Fontenot, Pie, Hoffpauir

'09- Bradley, Fukudome, Fontenot, Gathright, Bako, Hoffpauir????

 

Fontenot will get more playing time than last year, but it appears he'll be platooning with Miles. Edmonds' 08 and Bradley's '09 will probably be pretty close in at bats. Fukudome may end up with quite a few less at bats if he doesn't turn things around.

 

If you ask me, that's a lot of offseason moves just to upgrade from Jim Edmonds to Milton Bradley.

[davearm2]

Not saying I agree w/ it, but I think the reason DeRo was moved was 3-fold: he was at the peak of his value, he swings w/ the wrong hand & JH thought Bradley could slip away if he didn't move money around & strike while iron was hot. Just my tea leaves...

I think you're exactly right that the biggest factor in the DeRosa decision was the RH thing.

 

If the objective is to get more LH bats into this Cub lineup, the opportunities are few. Soriano, Lee, Ramirez, and Soto aren't going anywhere. That leaves Theriot and DeRosa as the only candidates to be replaced. Hendry had a natural LH replacement for DeRosa already in hand. Couple that with the age and salary considerations, and it's obvious he had to be the one to go.

 

If it comes to pass that the Cubs still have a big chunk of cash left for another starter, then it'll become even more clear that money wasn't the main thing that drove DeRosa out of town.

[Southpaw191679666239]

According to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times, "those close to Jim Hendry expect him to restart the Jake Peavy talks" now that the Cubs have unloaded salary with the Jason Marquis trade. Hendry admitted yesterday he hopes to add another pitcher before Opening Day.

 

Wittenmyer notes that the Cubs' 2010 payroll was unaffected by the recent moves, so Hendry would need a nod from the new ownership group before taking on Peavy's contract. The new ownership could be in place with just enough time for the Cubs to swing a Peavy deal, Wittenmyer believes.

 

As alternatives, Wittenmyer suggests Braden Looper and Tim Redding would fit better financially than Derek Lowe. Dave van Dyck wonders if Andy Pettitte could be a fit.

[SouthSideRyan]

Words don't describe the hilarity of dumping Marquis's contract to fit Braden Looper in on probably the same dumbass 3 year deal.

[UMFan83]

According to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times, "those close to Jim Hendry expect him to restart the Jake Peavy talks" now that the Cubs have unloaded salary with the Jason Marquis trade. Hendry admitted yesterday he hopes to add another pitcher before Opening Day.

 

Wittenmyer notes that the Cubs' 2010 payroll was unaffected by the recent moves, so Hendry would need a nod from the new ownership group before taking on Peavy's contract. The new ownership could be in place with just enough time for the Cubs to swing a Peavy deal, Wittenmyer believes.

 

As alternatives, Wittenmyer suggests Braden Looper and Tim Redding would fit better financially than Derek Lowe. Dave van Dyck wonders if Andy Pettitte could be a fit.

 

OMG someone other than Levine.

[kujay]

Words don't describe the hilarity of dumping Marquis's contract to fit Braden Looper in on probably the same dumbass 3 year deal.

 

I'm jumping out my window if the Cubs sign Braden Looper.

[mcgoobs]

According to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times, "those close to Jim Hendry expect him to restart the Jake Peavy talks" now that the Cubs have unloaded salary with the Jason Marquis trade. Hendry admitted yesterday he hopes to add another pitcher before Opening Day.

 

Wittenmyer notes that the Cubs' 2010 payroll was unaffected by the recent moves, so Hendry would need a nod from the new ownership group before taking on Peavy's contract. The new ownership could be in place with just enough time for the Cubs to swing a Peavy deal, Wittenmyer believes.

 

As alternatives, Wittenmyer suggests Braden Looper and Tim Redding would fit better financially than Derek Lowe. Dave van Dyck wonders if Andy Pettitte could be a fit.

 

I believe Bruce Miles said that Hendry can't go after Peavy until the ownership situation is resolved, so I would imagine the trigger for restarting talks will be the finalization of the sale of the team, not the completion of the Marquis trade.

[Sever82]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

[Post Count Padder]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

It seems so easy. There has to be more to it, because I can't see why this hasn't been done yet. It could be the two teams weren't exactly close to completing the trade. It just seems too simple to be this hard. Then again, this is the Cubs.

 

And about Cain, what would it take to get him? Obviously less than Peavy but if we still have to give up a lot I'd prefer Peavy.

[rchap24]

Peavy update and other options:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

Cubs To Restart Peavy Talks?

By Tim Dierkes [January 7 at 10:03am CST]

 

According to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times, "those close to Jim Hendry expect him to restart the Jake Peavy talks" now that the Cubs have unloaded salary with the Jason Marquis trade. Hendry admitted yesterday he hopes to add another pitcher before Opening Day.

 

Wittenmyer notes that the Cubs' 2010 payroll was unaffected by the recent moves, so Hendry would need a nod from the new ownership group before taking on Peavy's contract. The new ownership could be in place with just enough time for the Cubs to swing a Peavy deal, Wittenmyer believes.

 

As alternatives, Wittenmyer suggests Braden Looper and Tim Redding would fit better financially than Derek Lowe. Dave van Dyck wonders if Andy Pettitte could be a fit.

[Post Count Padder]

Peavy update and other options:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

Cubs To Restart Peavy Talks?

By Tim Dierkes [January 7 at 10:03am CST]

 

According to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times, "those close to Jim Hendry expect him to restart the Jake Peavy talks" now that the Cubs have unloaded salary with the Jason Marquis trade. Hendry admitted yesterday he hopes to add another pitcher before Opening Day.

 

Wittenmyer notes that the Cubs' 2010 payroll was unaffected by the recent moves, so Hendry would need a nod from the new ownership group before taking on Peavy's contract. The new ownership could be in place with just enough time for the Cubs to swing a Peavy deal, Wittenmyer believes.

 

As alternatives, Wittenmyer suggests Braden Looper and Tim Redding would fit better financially than Derek Lowe. Dave van Dyck wonders if Andy Pettitte could be a fit.

Looper- eh, depending on the contract. He's pretty average and won't get any better.

Redding- no

Pettitte- too much money

[UMFan83]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

 

As much as it sucks to hear this as a fan, but immediate player acquisitions, especially those that can be resolved after the ownership situation is completed are trivial to both the Trib Co and the prospective buyers.

[E.J.]

Redding or Looper?

 

Might as well just kept Marquis.

[Sever82]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

It seems so easy. There has to be more to it, because I can't see why this hasn't been done yet. It could be the two teams weren't exactly close to completing the trade. It just seems too simple to be this hard. Then again, this is the Cubs.

 

And about Cain, what would it take to get him? Obviously less than Peavy but if we still have to give up a lot I'd prefer Peavy.

 

Yeah I feel the same way, its either two things, the Cubs and Padres are already and have been working on a deal without anyone knowing (towers was quoted as saying that if a deal was in the works no one will know this time). Or the Tribune doesnt want to add any additional payroll to further complicate the dealings.

 

As far as Cain goes, i think it would take Pie, Cedeno, Vitters and possible a fourth prospects, so basically slightly less than the peavy deal. I would no doubt prefer Peavy but if you could get Cain i would do that too.

[swordsman]

Words don't describe the hilarity of dumping Marquis's contract to fit Braden Looper in on probably the same dumbass 3 year deal.

 

I'm jumping out my window if the Cubs sign Braden Looper.

 

You have to get out of your mom's basement before that carries any weight.

[Post Count Padder]

Words don't describe the hilarity of dumping Marquis's contract to fit Braden Looper in on probably the same dumbass 3 year deal.

 

I'm jumping out my window if the Cubs sign Braden Looper.

 

You have to get out of your mom's basement before that carries any weight.

lawl

[JeffH]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

It seems so easy. There has to be more to it, because I can't see why this hasn't been done yet. It could be the two teams weren't exactly close to completing the trade. It just seems too simple to be this hard. Then again, this is the Cubs.

 

And about Cain, what would it take to get him? Obviously less than Peavy but if we still have to give up a lot I'd prefer Peavy.

 

Why would it take less to acquire dirt cheap Matt Cain than to acquire ultra expensive Jake Peavy?

[Cubswin11]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

It seems so easy. There has to be more to it, because I can't see why this hasn't been done yet. It could be the two teams weren't exactly close to completing the trade. It just seems too simple to be this hard. Then again, this is the Cubs.

 

And about Cain, what would it take to get him? Obviously less than Peavy but if we still have to give up a lot I'd prefer Peavy.

 

Why would it take less to acquire dirt cheap Matt Cain than to acquire ultra expensive Jake Peavy?

Seeing as how the Giants want a middle of the order bat and have a opening at 1B probably Lee+ a prospect or two for Cain. The only problem with that trade is that who plays 1B for us? Hoffpauir probably shouldn't be getting 500+ ab's and the rest of the FA aren't great options Nomar/Millar/Mientkiewicz/Aurillia/Sweeney/Sexson. I suppose we could then sign Dunn to play 1B, but he might not want to play there, has been reported that he wants to stay in the OF, and then there is that whole defense thing...

[JeffH]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

It seems so easy. There has to be more to it, because I can't see why this hasn't been done yet. It could be the two teams weren't exactly close to completing the trade. It just seems too simple to be this hard. Then again, this is the Cubs.

 

And about Cain, what would it take to get him? Obviously less than Peavy but if we still have to give up a lot I'd prefer Peavy.

 

Why would it take less to acquire dirt cheap Matt Cain than to acquire ultra expensive Jake Peavy?

Seeing as how the Giants want a middle of the order bat and have a opening at 1B probably Lee+ a prospect or two for Cain. The only problem with that trade is that who plays 1B for us? Hoffpauir probably shouldn't be getting 500+ ab's and the rest of the FA aren't great options Nomar/Millar/Mientkiewicz/Aurillia/Sweeney/Sexson. I suppose we could then sign Dunn to play 1B, but he might not want to play there, has been reported that he wants to stay in the OF, and then there is that whole defense thing...

 

Those had better be a couple of awesome prospects. Oh, and, the Giants would likely have to be willing to extend Lee's contract to get him to waive his NTC (in the extremely unlikely event that he would do so at all).

[Sever82]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

It seems so easy. There has to be more to it, because I can't see why this hasn't been done yet. It could be the two teams weren't exactly close to completing the trade. It just seems too simple to be this hard. Then again, this is the Cubs.

 

And about Cain, what would it take to get him? Obviously less than Peavy but if we still have to give up a lot I'd prefer Peavy.

 

Why would it take less to acquire dirt cheap Matt Cain than to acquire ultra expensive Jake Peavy?

Seeing as how the Giants want a middle of the order bat and have a opening at 1B probably Lee+ a prospect or two for Cain. The only problem with that trade is that who plays 1B for us? Hoffpauir probably shouldn't be getting 500+ ab's and the rest of the FA aren't great options Nomar/Millar/Mientkiewicz/Aurillia/Sweeney/Sexson. I suppose we could then sign Dunn to play 1B, but he might not want to play there, has been reported that he wants to stay in the OF, and then there is that whole defense thing...

 

Those had better be a couple of awesome prospects. Oh, and, the Giants would likely have to be willing to extend Lee's contract to get him to waive his NTC (in the extremely unlikely event that he would do so at all).

 

No it wouldn't have to be awesome prospects. DLee still has value and i'm pretty sure the Giants would jump at the chance to acquire him and DLee would probably waive his NTC to go to San Fran. I would trade DLee, Cedeno, Pie. The Giants would probably do it because it would give them offense and fill in some of the holes they have on their lineup. You could probably then try and convince dunn to play first and sign him. You may lost Defense but you gain a ton of offense

[Southpaw191679666239]

Peavy update and other options:

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

Cubs To Restart Peavy Talks?

By Tim Dierkes [January 7 at 10:03am CST]

 

According to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times, "those close to Jim Hendry expect him to restart the Jake Peavy talks" now that the Cubs have unloaded salary with the Jason Marquis trade. Hendry admitted yesterday he hopes to add another pitcher before Opening Day.

 

Wittenmyer notes that the Cubs' 2010 payroll was unaffected by the recent moves, so Hendry would need a nod from the new ownership group before taking on Peavy's contract. The new ownership could be in place with just enough time for the Cubs to swing a Peavy deal, Wittenmyer believes.

 

As alternatives, Wittenmyer suggests Braden Looper and Tim Redding would fit better financially than Derek Lowe. Dave van Dyck wonders if Andy Pettitte could be a fit.

 

I just posted that 7 replies up. :banghead:

[PrimeTime]

Roto just picked up on it

 

According to the Chicago Sun-Times, those close to Cubs GM Jim Hendry expect him to restart the Jake Peavy talks with the Padres.

 

The Padres' new ownership isn't in control yet, but the assumption is that the team no longer really needs to move Peavy. At the very least, it seems likely that a bigger package would be required in return, and the Cubs weren't willing to meet their asking price when talks concluded last month.

Source: Chicago Sun-Times

[Cubswin11]

I still dont understand why they dont just to a webconference or send out email to the three prospective buyers and ask them if they're fine with taking on Peavy's contract instead of waiting for one of them to win the bid. At the end of the day though, i dont think peavy will be a Cub because i think the new owners of the Padres will keep him. If i were the cubs i would try and pry Matt Cain from the giants, he'll probably demand less than Peavy.

It seems so easy. There has to be more to it, because I can't see why this hasn't been done yet. It could be the two teams weren't exactly close to completing the trade. It just seems too simple to be this hard. Then again, this is the Cubs.

 

And about Cain, what would it take to get him? Obviously less than Peavy but if we still have to give up a lot I'd prefer Peavy.

 

Why would it take less to acquire dirt cheap Matt Cain than to acquire ultra expensive Jake Peavy?

Seeing as how the Giants want a middle of the order bat and have a opening at 1B probably Lee+ a prospect or two for Cain. The only problem with that trade is that who plays 1B for us? Hoffpauir probably shouldn't be getting 500+ ab's and the rest of the FA aren't great options Nomar/Millar/Mientkiewicz/Aurillia/Sweeney/Sexson. I suppose we could then sign Dunn to play 1B, but he might not want to play there, has been reported that he wants to stay in the OF, and then there is that whole defense thing...

 

Those had better be a couple of awesome prospects. Oh, and, the Giants would likely have to be willing to extend Lee's contract to get him to waive his NTC (in the extremely unlikely event that he would do so at all).

 

No it wouldn't have to be awesome prospects. DLee still has value and i'm pretty sure the Giants would jump at the chance to acquire him and DLee would probably waive his NTC to go to San Fran. I would trade DLee, Cedeno, Pie. The Giants would probably do it because it would give them offense and fill in some of the holes they have on their lineup. You could probably then try and convince dunn to play first and sign him. You may lost Defense but you gain a ton of offense

Not that we would really have a need for him, but if we agreed to take Dave Roberts back in a trade I bet we wouldn't have to give up more than Lee, Hart and a low level prospect. Lee makes $13 mil. the next two years and Roberts makes $6.5 this year and is then a FA and cain makes 2ish 4ish and 6ish the next three. So we end up saving 4ish million this year and have more money freed up for next offseason.

[JeffH]

I'm sure that San Francisco is just dying to trade a top notch 24 year old pitcher under club control for three more seasons for a 33 year old league-average first baseman making $13 million.