Re: Peavy High on Cubs Wish List

[BigbadB]

I don't understand why Hendry can't just trade for Peavy and trade Marquis later on in the offseason when all the big name pitchers are signed. It seems that would be the smartest thing to do. A team that misses out on the upper tier type pitcher would be more willing to take on more of Marquis salary.

Who says he can't? He may be willing and able to do just that if he has to in order to do the deal, but it's probably not his most preferred course of action. Everyone is acting like Hendry should have made the deal days ago because they think time is running out. He probably has at least another week or so before Towers will really disengage. He may have all offseason for all we know. Hendry knows what kind of timeline he's working with. There's no reason for him to take a less favorable course of action if he's not pushing a deadline yet that would force his hand. He's got time and he's in the drivers seat. Does everyone here really want him to not keep plugging away at this and not see if he can get a better deal just solely for the purpose of ending the drama? If he did that, he wouldn't be doing his job.

 

I don't think Hendry has the time that you are suggesting. If Philly and Minnesota get tired of waiting and find other options, Hendry loses the trade resources necessary to facillitate a deal for Peavy. How long should all of these teams remain in a holding pattern?

[Cubswin11]

Cubs take nobody

[brinoch]

Guys, it's Rule 5. Not Rule V.

[fromthestretch]

The strangest part of this whole trade debacle, IMO, is that they have wasted the entire winter meetings haggling over players. Several teams seem to be in a holding pattern on this, which isn't really fair to any of them. That also includes Peavy.

 

Hendry played this game last year with Roberts, and lost. Towers has a whole lost more work to do once this trade gets finalized (if it gets finalized). That team is an absolute mess. They need a 2b, a SS, a catcher and quite possibly a CF. If I had to guess, Towers will spin Marquis and a prospect to Colorado for Taveras and maybe even Barmes. I have no idea where they expect to get a SS on the cheap.

 

If they got Barmes, wouldn't it be easier to put him at short and find a second baseman?

[Jehrico]

I don't understand why Hendry can't just trade for Peavy and trade Marquis later on in the offseason when all the big name pitchers are signed. It seems that would be the smartest thing to do. A team that misses out on the upper tier type pitcher would be more willing to take on more of Marquis salary.

Who says he can't? He may be willing and able to do just that if he has to in order to do the deal, but it's probably not his most preferred course of action. Everyone is acting like Hendry should have made the deal days ago because they think time is running out. He probably has at least another week or so before Towers will really disengage. He may have all offseason for all we know. Hendry knows what kind of timeline he's working with. There's no reason for him to take a less favorable course of action if he's not pushing a deadline yet that would force his hand. He's got time and he's in the drivers seat. Does everyone here really want him to not keep plugging away at this and not see if he can get a better deal just solely for the purpose of ending the drama? If he did that, he wouldn't be doing his job.

 

I don't think Hendry has the time that you are suggesting. If Philly and Minnesota get tired of waiting and find other options, Hendry loses the trade resources necessary to facillitate a deal for Peavy. How long should all of these teams remain in a holding pattern?

He may have the time, and he may not. It's not like we need Philly and Minny in the deal anyways, we weren't receiving their players. If they bow out, Towers still has to deal Peavy (depending on which reports you believe), and either he has to rework a deal with someone else, or take our players then move them on his own. Maybe his deadline is later today, maybe it's early next week, maybe it's sometime in January. Either way, we don't know what kind of timeline he's really working with, and there was no good reason for him to hurry and pull the trigger the last couple of days. He also probably has a better feel for how interested Minny or Philly really are in DeRosa too. Hendry has shown to be pretty darned good at these kind of deals in the past, I don't think we're going to lose out on Peavy solely because of his indecisiveness. If we don't get Peavy, it'll be because they couldn't come to an agreement on a fair deal, not because of timing. Edited December 11, 2008 by Jehrico

[RyneDawson]

Maybe the Padres wanted to see if they needed Cedeno in the deal, but now they got their SS from the Rockies. The thing I'm worried about is that Hendry knows he has leverage and wants to take his time to get the most out of this deal.... this is a good idea BUT it is too risky. Just cuz Towers says Hendry will be traded and Peavy only wants to go to the Cubs, it doesn't mean that that is for sure. What if Peavy becomes desperate and doesn't want to be on such a lousy team, and the Angels who lose out on all the FA's swoop in and offer the Padres a great package and beg Peavy to accept to ANA. Or NYY or LAD? Peavy can always change his mind. Hendry just do the trade!

[BigbadB]

The strangest part of this whole trade debacle, IMO, is that they have wasted the entire winter meetings haggling over players. Several teams seem to be in a holding pattern on this, which isn't really fair to any of them. That also includes Peavy.

 

Hendry played this game last year with Roberts, and lost. Towers has a whole lost more work to do once this trade gets finalized (if it gets finalized). That team is an absolute mess. They need a 2b, a SS, a catcher and quite possibly a CF. If I had to guess, Towers will spin Marquis and a prospect to Colorado for Taveras and maybe even Barmes. I have no idea where they expect to get a SS on the cheap.

 

If they got Barmes, wouldn't it be easier to put him at short and find a second baseman?

 

It's only speculation that the Padres could get those guys for Marquis. Colorado probably isn't sitting around waiting on Towers. Barmes could be gone by the time this Peavy stuff gets sorted out. Lots of teams are looking for SS help.

[SouthSideRyan]

Guys, it's Rule 5. Not Rule V.

 

V is the Roman numeral for 5. I've never heard anyone pronounce it as Rule V. Stop being Kyle.

[big_shooter17]

I noticed on the MLB.TV ticker that the Rangers have expressed interest in Randy Johnson who was Hendry's backup plan, I guess.

[PrimeTime]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Guys, it's Rule 5. Not Rule V.

 

V is the Roman numeral for 5. I've never heard anyone pronounce it as Rule V. Stop being Kyle.

this isn't the super bowl, and we ain't in Rome

[Jehrico]

The strangest part of this whole trade debacle, IMO, is that they have wasted the entire winter meetings haggling over players. Several teams seem to be in a holding pattern on this, which isn't really fair to any of them. That also includes Peavy.

 

Hendry played this game last year with Roberts, and lost. Towers has a whole lost more work to do once this trade gets finalized (if it gets finalized). That team is an absolute mess. They need a 2b, a SS, a catcher and quite possibly a CF. If I had to guess, Towers will spin Marquis and a prospect to Colorado for Taveras and maybe even Barmes. I have no idea where they expect to get a SS on the cheap.

 

If they got Barmes, wouldn't it be easier to put him at short and find a second baseman?

 

It's only speculation that the Padres could get those guys for Marquis. Colorado probably isn't sitting around waiting on Towers. Barmes could be gone by the time this Peavy stuff gets sorted out. Lots of teams are looking for SS help.

I missed the part about Hendry loosing on Roberts last year. You know that's an incredibly unfair and inaccurate statement BBB. That was all about Angelos nixing it at the last minute because he waaaay overvalues Roberts, and wouldn't approve of a trade that did anything less than rape us. The only thing that Hendry lost was alot of time and effort that went into coming to an agreement with MacPhail that got trumped. He didn't get Roberts because he haggled too long, he didn't get him because there wasn't a fair deal to be made that Angelos would approve.

[CubinNY]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

It is frustrating. My guess is that Hendry doesn't want to give up too many spare parts in case something bad happens.

 

I don't think the Cubs are going to get him, I think some other team will though. I hope when this is all over Bruce Miles can give us the inside dope.

[davearm2]

I don't understand why Hendry can't just trade for Peavy and trade Marquis later on in the offseason when all the big name pitchers are signed. It seems that would be the smartest thing to do. A team that misses out on the upper tier type pitcher would be more willing to take on more of Marquis salary.

Who says he can't? He may be willing and able to do just that if he has to in order to do the deal, but it's probably not his most preferred course of action. Everyone is acting like Hendry should have made the deal days ago because they think time is running out. He probably has at least another week or so before Towers will really disengage. He may have all offseason for all we know. Hendry knows what kind of timeline he's working with. There's no reason for him to take a less favorable course of action if he's not pushing a deadline yet that would force his hand. He's got time and he's in the drivers seat. Does everyone here really want him to not keep plugging away at this and not see if he can get a better deal just solely for the purpose of ending the drama? If he did that, he wouldn't be doing his job.

Not saying you were one of them necessarily, but lots of folks were pretty furious at MacPhail last year for taking pretty much the same stance you're advocating here.

[RyneDawson]

The Padres just passed on their 1st pick in the minor league draft. This could mean they expect to get a few minor leaguers very soon.... in a cubs trade.

[fromthestretch]

The strangest part of this whole trade debacle, IMO, is that they have wasted the entire winter meetings haggling over players. Several teams seem to be in a holding pattern on this, which isn't really fair to any of them. That also includes Peavy.

 

Hendry played this game last year with Roberts, and lost. Towers has a whole lost more work to do once this trade gets finalized (if it gets finalized). That team is an absolute mess. They need a 2b, a SS, a catcher and quite possibly a CF. If I had to guess, Towers will spin Marquis and a prospect to Colorado for Taveras and maybe even Barmes. I have no idea where they expect to get a SS on the cheap.

 

If they got Barmes, wouldn't it be easier to put him at short and find a second baseman?

 

It's only speculation that the Padres could get those guys for Marquis. Colorado probably isn't sitting around waiting on Towers. Barmes could be gone by the time this Peavy stuff gets sorted out. Lots of teams are looking for SS help.

 

That's why I said "if". Obviously, if they don't get Barmes, finding a cheap SS that won't kill your team offensively isn't an easy thing to do.

[David]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

 

 

Relax.

 

The Cubs have the leverage here and it looks like they're using it as they should. Jesus.

[Jehrico]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

What do you know that we don't? You're proclaiming that he can't get it done. It's not like the talks have ended or Peavy is about to get sent to another team instead.

 

All of this rock throwing at Hendry is getting epically stupid. Yeah, let's rag on him for not using all of the time that he knew he had to get as good of a deal as he can before there's any resolution on this situation.

 

Why doesn't everyone that is criticizing him for blowing the Peavy deal actually wait until he blows it? There's plenty of things to criticize Hendry over. His handling of this deal so far is not one of them. As far as I'm concerned, he's playing it exactly as he should. If Towers pull the deal off of the table after he's had an opportunity to accept a deal that is fair, then throw rocks at him. That hasn't happened yet, so all of the complaining isn't justified. If he was quick to the trigger when he's got no competition in this deal, he'd deserve criticism for giving up more than he should have without working it.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Honestly. If get Peavy that is great, amazing actually, but he wont have nearly as much of an impact on the success of this team as who they choose to be the next RF. I am not going to cry into my pillow if it doesn't happen.

[BigbadB]

The strangest part of this whole trade debacle, IMO, is that they have wasted the entire winter meetings haggling over players. Several teams seem to be in a holding pattern on this, which isn't really fair to any of them. That also includes Peavy.

 

Hendry played this game last year with Roberts, and lost. Towers has a whole lost more work to do once this trade gets finalized (if it gets finalized). That team is an absolute mess. They need a 2b, a SS, a catcher and quite possibly a CF. If I had to guess, Towers will spin Marquis and a prospect to Colorado for Taveras and maybe even Barmes. I have no idea where they expect to get a SS on the cheap.

 

If they got Barmes, wouldn't it be easier to put him at short and find a second baseman?

 

It's only speculation that the Padres could get those guys for Marquis. Colorado probably isn't sitting around waiting on Towers. Barmes could be gone by the time this Peavy stuff gets sorted out. Lots of teams are looking for SS help.

I missed the part about Hendry loosing on Roberts last year. You know that's an incredibly unfair and inaccurate statement BBB. That was all about Angelos nixing it at the last minute because he waaaay overvalues Roberts, and wouldn't approve of a trade that did anything less than rape us. The only thing that Hendry lost was alot of time and effort that went into coming to an agreement with MacPhail that got trumped. He didn't get Roberts because he haggled too long, he didn't get him because there wasn't a fair deal to be made that Angelos would approve.

 

I think you've misinterpreted what I was trying to convey. I don't blame Hendry for not getting Roberts. My point was he wasted the entire offseason going after a guy he really wanted, and when all was said and done, he didn't get his man.

 

This offseason has the potential for the same thing to happen. Hendry has back up plans in place if a Peavy deal doesn't go down. It just has to be frustrating for Hendry to spend all that time haggling a deal and then nothing comes from it.

 

I'm certainly not saying Hendry should bend. And I don't blame Hendry for not getting Roberts. In fact, I'd rather Hendry detour whenever MacPhail starts in his general direction. I'm no fan of any of the Baltimore/Cubs dealings.

[Garwilly]

Guys, it's Rule 5. Not Rule V.

 

V is the Roman numeral for 5. I've never heard anyone pronounce it as Rule V. Stop being Kyle.

this isn't the super bowl, and we ain't in Rome

 

 

What does any of this have to do with rule 5?

 

http://www.mlb.com/mlb/downloads/y2008/official_rules/05_putting_ball_in_play.pdf

[Jehrico]

I don't understand why Hendry can't just trade for Peavy and trade Marquis later on in the offseason when all the big name pitchers are signed. It seems that would be the smartest thing to do. A team that misses out on the upper tier type pitcher would be more willing to take on more of Marquis salary.

Who says he can't? He may be willing and able to do just that if he has to in order to do the deal, but it's probably not his most preferred course of action. Everyone is acting like Hendry should have made the deal days ago because they think time is running out. He probably has at least another week or so before Towers will really disengage. He may have all offseason for all we know. Hendry knows what kind of timeline he's working with. There's no reason for him to take a less favorable course of action if he's not pushing a deadline yet that would force his hand. He's got time and he's in the drivers seat. Does everyone here really want him to not keep plugging away at this and not see if he can get a better deal just solely for the purpose of ending the drama? If he did that, he wouldn't be doing his job.

Not saying you were one of them necessarily, but lots of folks were pretty furious at MacPhail last year for taking pretty much the same stance you're advocating here.

The fury at him was pretty unjustified as well, as all reports basically say he agreed to a fair deal but Angelos changed his mind at the last minute.

[Jehrico]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

 

 

Relax.

 

The Cubs have the leverage here and it looks like they're using it as they should. Jesus.

Thank you! I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Hendry is actually playing it smart.

[BigbadB]

All of this rock throwing at Hendry is getting epically stupid. Yeah, let's rag on him for not using all of the time that he knew he had to get as good of a deal as he can before there's any resolution on this situation.

 

Why doesn't everyone that is criticizing him for blowing the Peavy deal actually wait until he blows it?

 

If you are including me in this criticism, maybe you should thumb back a few pages and note that have clearly stated that Hendry is playing this the way he should be.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

It's damn frustrating when you have a chance to trade for one of the best pitchers in all of baseball for half the money Sabathia is getting and can't get it done..When they were close last year and had the team to do it and this move that could probably put them over the top and can't get anything done because of $$$..This team is always will be and has been about money thats why it's been losing for so long..I don't get what a couple million dollars in all this matters. A couple mil is nothing in baseball. I know nothing is official yet, but it isn't looking too good.

 

 

Relax.

 

The Cubs have the leverage here and it looks like they're using it as they should. Jesus.

Thank you! I was beginning to think I was the only one who thought Hendry is actually playing it smart.

 

These are the kind of deals that lets Hendry keep his job, squeezing needy teams for their established players. I trust Hendry is doing the right thing here by holding his ground.