Tribune: Wood Signs Deal with Cleveland (p. 29)

[SouthSideRyan]

Today is the deadline for teams to offer arb and Sunday is the deadline for players to accept arb.

 

For pending FAs.

[The Other 15]

Today is the deadline for teams to offer arb and Sunday is the deadline for players to accept arb.

 

For pending FAs.

Which, of course, describes Wood's status.

[SouthSideRyan]

Today is the deadline for teams to offer arb and Sunday is the deadline for players to accept arb.

 

For pending FAs.

Which, of course, describes Wood's status.

 

The point was that somebody(I dunno Jeff or Muskat, I can't remember)wasn't wrong in talking about Ronny Cedeno, Wuertz, etc. being the 12th.

Edited December 1, 2008 by SouthSideRyan

[JeffH]

Today is the deadline for teams to offer arb and Sunday is the deadline for players to accept arb.

 

There are two separate days.

 

Today is the deadline for teams to offer arbitration to their former players who declared free agency. Kerry Wood, Jim Edmonds, and Daryle Ward (and others) fall into this category.

 

The other day (this year, December 12th) is sometimes referred to as the deadline for teams to offer contracts for the upcoming season to unsigned players under team control.

 

"Unsigned players under team control" fall into two separate categories - those with enough service time to be eligible for arbitration (Chad Gaudin, Reed Johnson, Michael Wuertz, and others) and those with not enough service time to be eligible for arbitration (Geovany Soto, Sean Marshall, Randy Wells, and others). If the Cubs "offer a contract" to Chad Gaudin, they are, in effect, offering him arbitration (if the two sides cannot otherwise reach an agreement). If the Cubs "offer a contract" to Geovany Soto, they are essentially giving him a take-it-or-leave-it offer, as he has no leverage to negotiate a higher salary. You will sometimes hear this called "renewing a player's contract" and this class of player is sometimes referred to as "auto renewal" players (or "0-3 players", referring to the amount of service time they have). If Soto doesn't like his renewed contract salary, he can swallow hard and play or sit out. The latter is almost never done. Failing to offer a contract to an unsigned player under team control is often called "non-tendering" him, as in not "tendering" (offering) a contract. This can be done to either arb eligible players (fairly common, to avoid paying them an arb-determined salary) or to auto renewal players (extremely uncommon, as there is little incentive to avoid paying them a league-minimum-ish salary).

 

You probably already knew most of this, but I hope this helps.

 

Feel free to add, correct, or clarify as necessary.

[The Other 15]

Today is the deadline for teams to offer arb and Sunday is the deadline for players to accept arb.

 

There are two separate days.

 

Today is the deadline for teams to offer arbitration to their former players who declared free agency. Kerry Wood, Jim Edmonds, and Daryle Ward (and others) fall into this category.

 

The other day (this year, December 12th) is sometimes referred to as the deadline for teams to offer contracts for the upcoming season to unsigned players under team control.

 

"Unsigned players under team control" fall into two separate categories - those with enough service time to be eligible for arbitration (Chad Gaudin, Reed Johnson, Michael Wuertz, and others) and those with not enough service time to be eligible for arbitration (Geovany Soto, Sean Marshall, Randy Wells, and others). If the Cubs "offer a contract" to Chad Gaudin, they are, in effect, offering him arbitration (if the two sides cannot otherwise reach an agreement). If the Cubs "offer a contract" to Geovany Soto, they are essentially giving him a take-it-or-leave-it offer, as he has no leverage to negotiate a higher salary. You will sometimes hear this called "renewing a player's contract" and this class of player is sometimes referred to as "auto renewal" players (or "0-3 players", referring to the amount of service time they have). If Soto doesn't like his renewed contract salary, he can swallow hard and play or sit out. The latter is almost never done. Failing to offer a contract to an unsigned player under team control is often called "non-tendering" him, as in not "tendering" (offering) a contract. This can be done to either arb eligible players (fairly common, to avoid paying them an arb-determined salary) or to auto renewal players (extremely uncommon, as there is little incentive to avoid paying them a league-minimum-ish salary).

 

You probably already knew most of this, but I hope this helps.

 

Feel free to add, correct, or clarify as necessary.

Admittedly, I didn't understand how Muskats quote had anything to do with todays deadline for Wood who is the subject of that article. Reading your post a second time, I understand what you meant. It just wasn't clear to me the first time. No offense intended.

[JeffH]

No offense intended.

 

None whatsoever taken.

[Bruce Miles]

Not so cut and dried on Wood, as your friendly bloggist points out:

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1031

[JeffH]

Not so cut and dried on Wood, as your friendly bloggist points out:

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1031

 

Bruce, does Wood have 10-and-5 rights?

[Bruce Miles]

Not so cut and dried on Wood, as your friendly bloggist points out:

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1031

 

Bruce, does Wood have 10-and-5 rights?

 

Right now, he's a free agent. If he signs with the Cubs again, he will have them.

[JeffH]

Not so cut and dried on Wood, as your friendly bloggist points out:

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1031

 

Bruce, does Wood have 10-and-5 rights?

 

Right now, he's a free agent. If he signs with the Cubs again, he will have them.

 

I assume that the moment he were to accept an offer of arbitration - even before he "signs a contract" with a defined salary - he would have those rights.

 

True?

[Sever82]

Hey Bruce, i know this is off topic but any news on any cubs dealings, Peavy, Abreu, etc. I'm tired of hearing Bruce Levine, Olney, or Rosenthal dont trust so much what they say, they always change their story as the story progresses.

[CubinNY]

Hey Bruce, i know this is off topic but any news on any cubs dealings, Peavy, Abreu, etc. I'm tired of hearing Bruce Levine, Olney, or Rosenthal dont trust so much what they say, they always change their story as the story progresses.

read his blog.

 

Also, I don't think they will not offer him arbitration, but they should.

Edited December 2, 2008 by CubinNY

[jersey cubs fan]

Hey Bruce, i know this is off topic but any news on any cubs dealings, Peavy, Abreu, etc. I'm tired of hearing Bruce Levine, Olney, or Rosenthal dont trust so much what they say, they always change their story as the story progresses.

 

Is that a bad thing? Are they supposed to say one thing at the beginning of November and stick with that until spring training, no matter how things change or progress during the offseason?

[Sever82]

Hey Bruce, i know this is off topic but any news on any cubs dealings, Peavy, Abreu, etc. I'm tired of hearing Bruce Levine, Olney, or Rosenthal dont trust so much what they say, they always change their story as the story progresses.

 

Is that a bad thing? Are they supposed to say one thing at the beginning of November and stick with that until spring training, no matter how things change or progress during the offseason?

 

 

Not really i just find it annoying how a person like Olney says the cubs have no shot at Harden and then once the deal goes down, he comments as if he knows it would happen. Or on the other hand you have the reporter who puts out rumor knowing it doesnt have legs but just to put it out. Kind of like how people were all geeked for the Roberts talk last year and then it didnt happen. And yeah sorry about that, read the rest of the blog.

[Bruce Miles]

Not so cut and dried on Wood, as your friendly bloggist points out:

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1031

 

Bruce, does Wood have 10-and-5 rights?

 

Right now, he's a free agent. If he signs with the Cubs again, he will have them.

 

I assume that the moment he were to accept an offer of arbitration - even before he "signs a contract" with a defined salary - he would have those rights.

 

True?

 

True. If he accepts arbitration, he's back on the 40-man roster and would have those rights.

[JeffH]

Not so cut and dried on Wood, as your friendly bloggist points out:

 

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1031

 

Bruce, does Wood have 10-and-5 rights?

 

Right now, he's a free agent. If he signs with the Cubs again, he will have them.

 

I assume that the moment he were to accept an offer of arbitration - even before he "signs a contract" with a defined salary - he would have those rights.

 

True?

 

True. If he accepts arbitration, he's back on the 40-man roster and would have those rights.

 

That's a shame. No chance to trade him if he accepts.

 

Unless Hendry gets some sort of special dispensation from "ownership" (whoever that is at the moment), it seems almost a foregone conclusion that he won't offer arbitration.

[Bruce Miles]

Hey Bruce, i know this is off topic but any news on any cubs dealings, Peavy, Abreu, etc. I'm tired of hearing Bruce Levine, Olney, or Rosenthal dont trust so much what they say, they always change their story as the story progresses.

 

The stories themselves change over time, and that's why reporters have to revise what they've reported. The market is moving very, very slowly right now. The Cubs still like Peavy, but there's no movement anywhere from any team on getting a deal done soon. With players such as Abreu and Ibanez, much will depend on the kind of money they're asking. That's also been slow to develop. As of now, I can't see the Cubs signing Abreu. I can see them making a run at Ibanez, again, depending on his asking price and how much the Cubs have to work with. Part of that will depend, too, if they're able to move a guy like Marquis. Right now, not much is happening anywhere. That may change once teams decide on arbitration for their own free agents.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

So what's the problem here? Money. The Cubs are up against it big time when it comes to their player-payroll budget. If Wood accepts arbitration and asks for, say, $8 million for 2009, he just may get it. The Cubs still need to find a left-handed bat, and they may yet be in the hunt for Padres pitcher Jake Peavy, who has an expensive long-term contract. On top of that, the Cubs still would like to re-sign players such as Reed Johnson, Chad Gaudin and Kevin Gregg, whose contracts are up but who cannot become free agents.

 

If Gregg was deemed the replacement for Wood upon his trade to the Cubs, couldn't they just non-tender him if Wood accepts arbitration, freeing up a chunk of the money that it would require to sign Wood? We lose Ceda for nothing, but we would be left with a much, much better option (Wood) than the one we have now (Gregg).

 

Unfortunately, I can't see this actually happening, but how close does the amount that Gregg would make in arbitration come to what Wood would make? $4 million? Is that enough to scare the Cubs away from offering Wood arbitration?

[cubsfan26]

So what's the problem here? Money. The Cubs are up against it big time when it comes to their player-payroll budget. If Wood accepts arbitration and asks for, say, $8 million for 2009, he just may get it. The Cubs still need to find a left-handed bat, and they may yet be in the hunt for Padres pitcher Jake Peavy, who has an expensive long-term contract. On top of that, the Cubs still would like to re-sign players such as Reed Johnson, Chad Gaudin and Kevin Gregg, whose contracts are up but who cannot become free agents.

 

If Gregg was deemed the replacement for Wood upon his trade to the Cubs, couldn't they just non-tender him if Wood accepts arbitration, freeing up a chunk of the money that it would require to sign Wood? We lose Ceda for nothing, but we would be left with a much, much better option (Wood) than the one we have now (Gregg).

 

Unfortunately, I can't see this actually happening, but how close does the amount that Gregg would make in arbitration come to what Wood would make? $4 million? Is that enough to scare the Cubs away from offering Wood arbitration?

 

They wouldn't nontender Gregg because he has too much value to just dump him. They can trade him and get something good in return. If Wood did accept arb. I think the Cubs could hold on to Gregg and trade him before opening day and probably get more then Ceda.

[BigbadB]

Hey Bruce, i know this is off topic but any news on any cubs dealings, Peavy, Abreu, etc. I'm tired of hearing Bruce Levine, Olney, or Rosenthal dont trust so much what they say, they always change their story as the story progresses.

 

The stories themselves change over time, and that's why reporters have to revise what they've reported. The market is moving very, very slowly right now. The Cubs still like Peavy, but there's no movement anywhere from any team on getting a deal done soon. With players such as Abreu and Ibanez, much will depend on the kind of money they're asking. That's also been slow to develop. As of now, I can't see the Cubs signing Abreu. I can see them making a run at Ibanez, again, depending on his asking price and how much the Cubs have to work with. Part of that will depend, too, if they're able to move a guy like Marquis. Right now, not much is happening anywhere. That may change once teams decide on arbitration for their own free agents.

 

I would also have to imagine that these player's value to the Cubs decrease if they are offered arbitration by their previous clubs. The Cubs need to restock their farm system, especially if Peavy ends up coming over in a deal.

 

As tricky as the Wood situation is, I think they need to offer him arbitration. Someone will give him a 2 year deal, especially a team like Texas. I think they should avoid Ibanez and Abreu, since both could be too expensive and cost draft picks. Milton Bradley won't cost picks. He's the guy they should be courting to play RF.

[SABR Gamer]

Hey Bruce, i know this is off topic but any news on any cubs dealings, Peavy, Abreu, etc. I'm tired of hearing Bruce Levine, Olney, or Rosenthal dont trust so much what they say, they always change their story as the story progresses.

 

The stories themselves change over time, and that's why reporters have to revise what they've reported. The market is moving very, very slowly right now. The Cubs still like Peavy, but there's no movement anywhere from any team on getting a deal done soon. With players such as Abreu and Ibanez, much will depend on the kind of money they're asking. That's also been slow to develop. As of now, I can't see the Cubs signing Abreu. I can see them making a run at Ibanez, again, depending on his asking price and how much the Cubs have to work with. Part of that will depend, too, if they're able to move a guy like Marquis. Right now, not much is happening anywhere. That may change once teams decide on arbitration for their own free agents.

 

I would also have to imagine that these player's value to the Cubs decrease if they are offered arbitration by their previous clubs. The Cubs need to restock their farm system, especially if Peavy ends up coming over in a deal.

 

As tricky as the Wood situation is, I think they need to offer him arbitration. Someone will give him a 2 year deal, especially a team like Texas. I think they should avoid Ibanez and Abreu, since both could be too expensive and cost draft picks. Milton Bradley won't cost picks. He's the guy they should be courting to play RF.

 

The Yankees declined to offer Abreu arbitration so he won't cost any picks, I hope we get him.

[E.J.]

Wood not offered arbitration according to Gordon Whittenmyer

 

[Derwood]

Wood not offered arbitration according to Gordon Whittenmyer

 

 

guess that's that. Time to buy my Kevin Gregg jersey-shirt

[UMFan83]

I could have sworn I heard on my drive home on 670 that the Cubs declined to offer arby, but to be completely honest, I was barely listening and they could have just been talking about the deadline tonight.

[cubsfan26]

Crappy move by Hendry, I guess thats what I get for defending him earlier today. I guess either we will have less money then we thought we would have, and there wasn't much of a market for Wood. Edited December 2, 2008 by cubsfan26