Rich Hill is done

[LeftCoastCubFan]

On the corner of the internet I was on in 2000, the complaint generator was right up there with All Your Base Are Belong To Us, Something Awful, Homestar Runner (Strong Bad), Acts of Gord, etc.

And just when I thought you were really Dennis Miller

[BigbadB]

Getting this thread back on topic, not that I wasn't highly entertained by Badnews, but someone help me understand where we are with Rich Hill.

 

Does Rich have to make the 25 man roster this spring in order to retain his rights?

 

Being out of options, but finishing the year in the minors, can the Cubs start him off in the minors again this year without having to expose him to waivers?

[CubColtPacer]

Getting this thread back on topic, not that I wasn't highly entertained by Badnews, but someone help me understand where we are with Rich Hill.

 

Does Rich have to make the 25 man roster this spring in order to retain his rights?

 

Being out of options, but finishing the year in the minors, can the Cubs start him off in the minors again this year without having to expose him to waivers?

 

Hill has to make the 25 man roster this spring. Every person on the 40 man has to either use an option or pass through waivers to get to the minor leagues. Since Hill doesn't have any options, he would have to be exposed to waivers if he can't make the squad unless they found a way to keep him on the major league DL.

[BigbadB]

I was hoping for better news. But thanks for the info.

 

Assuming that the rotation will be full to start the season, the Cubs would have to stick him in the bullpen in order to keep him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I was hoping for better news. But thanks for the info.

 

Assuming that the rotation will be full to start the season, the Cubs would have to stick him in the bullpen in order to keep him.

 

That would be the only way he makes the team, in my opinion. Unless he has a stellar spring, I don't see Hill making the rotation. I think it will be further complicated when Hendry adds another arm or two to what will be the starting five. Unless we are beset by injuries and Hill shows a phenomenal turn around this spring, he will either be the second loogy, or he'll be exposed to waivers.

 

While the title of this thread is likely an overstatement, to say Hill is done with the Cubs due to his lack of options may not be far from the truth.

[PackLandVA]

If someone claims him, does he need to go on the new teams 25 or 40?? Even if it's the 25, some piss poor team will grab him. I'd like to see the Cubs hold onto him until spring, and then try to make a trade regardless of how well he pitches. Hopefully he can have a good spring and get something for him.

[NCCubFan]

If someone claims him, does he need to go on the new teams 25 or 40??

I don't think they'd have to keep him on the 25-man (they would have to keep him on the 40-man). However, they would also have to expose him to waivers to send him down.

[wvcbxl]

However, they would also have to expose him to waivers to send him down.

 

So the smart money would be on Hill being exposed to waivers some time before the season starts.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

However, they would also have to expose him to waivers to send him down.

 

So the smart money would be on Hill being exposed to waivers some time before the season starts.

 

I would have to think so. If I were placing odds, I'd say 50% that Hill is exposed to waivers, 35% that he gets a spot in the bullpen, and 15% that he wins a spot in the rotation.

[CubColtPacer]

However, they would also have to expose him to waivers to send him down.

 

So the smart money would be on Hill being exposed to waivers some time before the season starts.

 

I would have to think so. If I were placing odds, I'd say 50% that Hill is exposed to waivers, 35% that he gets a spot in the bullpen, and 15% that he wins a spot in the rotation.

 

I'd say the chances are high for a minor trade involving Hill either in the winter or in Spring Training. The Cubs won't want to put him in the bullpen, but they won't want to expose him to waivers either. Someone will give a small amount of talent in order to make sure that they get him.

[biittner77]

I'd say the chances are high for a minor trade involving Hill either in the winter or in Spring Training. The Cubs won't want to put him in the bullpen, but they won't want to expose him to waivers either. Someone will give a small amount of talent in order to make sure that they get him.

 

Assuming the rotation will stay constant - with Dempster/Peavy/ or FA in place of Dempster and that the Cubs will go with a 7 man pen they have room for 2 LH relievers or 3 if they trade or release Wuertz (This also assumes that they keep Simardzilla in AAA to stretch him as a starter) It's possible they may also want to send Marshall to Iowa's starting rotation to start the season. Those are the conditions necessary for Hill to make the Cubs pen.

 

So a trade or trades involving Hill and Wuertz seems likely. They would make an attractive package to some teams like say Texas that needs all the pitching they can get.

[Vanilla Ice]

oh my god, it is not that hard to spell samardzija

[imb]

i've got to admit, simardzilla is a new one

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think I'm going to call him Samardzilla from now on.

[17 Seconds]

simardzilla is what he turns into when you piss him off

[NCCubFan]

I think I'm going to call him Samardzilla from now on.

Modzilla's long-lost relative.

[BigbadB]

I'm disappointed that Rockzilla is no longer offered at Red Lobster.

[UMFan83]

If we are going to release Hill, we should sign Adam Dunn and just pretend like they were traded for each other.

[NCCubFan]

If we are going to release Hill, we should sign Adam Dunn and just pretend like they were traded for each other.

Then this thread would be re-titled Rich Hill is Dunn. :D

[Banedon]

It's been one of my favorite websites since 1998!

 

Please pardon the disorderly overtones that will be found throughout this letter, but maladroit careerism has long been the nucleus of Ryan Theriot's campaigns of malice and malignity. Before I say anything else, let me remind Theriot that he truly believes that the Earth is flat. It is just such postmodernist megalomania, impolitic egoism, and intellectual aberrancy that stirs Theriot to let rash misogynists run rampant through the streets. Although the moral absolutist position is well represented by social and political activists and unquestionably influences legislators and policy makers, if his attempts to promote racial superiority doctrines, ethnic persecution, imperialist expansion, and genocide have spurred us to advance freedom in countries strangled by tyranny, then Theriot may have accomplished a useful thing.

 

The last time Theriot reached into his bag of dirty tricks, he pulled out a scheme to subordinate principles of fairness to less admirable criteria. How does he deal with this fascinating piece of information? He absolutely ignores it. My dream is for tired eyes to open and see clearly, broken spirits to find new energy, and weary arms to find the strength to rise to the challenge of thwarting his presumptuous plans. He likes to use paid informants and provocateurs to increase subservience to his monolithic engine of jingoism. Such activity can flourish only in the dark, however. If you drag it into the open, Theriot and his surrogates will run for cover, like cockroaches in a dirty kitchen when the light is turned on suddenly during the night. That's why we must focus on what unites rather than divides us.

 

If I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less unrestrained than Theriot. We should agree on definitions before saying anything further about his barbaric perceptions. For starters, let's say that "vandalism" is "that which makes Theriot yearn to leave behind a wake of offensive reaction." The concepts underlying his unsympathetic shenanigans are like the Ptolemaic astronomy, which could not have been saved by positing more epicycles or eliminating some of the more glaring discrepancies. The fundamental idea -- that the heavens revolve around the Earth -- was wrong, just as Theriot's idea that ebola, AIDS, mad-cow disease, and the hantavirus were intentionally bioengineered by mindless scatterbrains for the purpose of population reduction is wrong.

 

We must spread the word about Theriot's flagitious press releases to our friends, our neighbors, our relatives, our co-workers -- even to strangers -- if we are ever to brush away the cobwebs of fascism. Yes, this is a bold, audacious, even unprecedented undertaking. Yes, it lacks any realistic guarantee of success. However, it is an undertaking that we must unmistakably pursue because Theriot's toadies have been running around recently trying to create a world without history, without philosophy, without science, without reason -- a world without beauty of any kind, without art, without literature, without culture. Meanwhile, Theriot has been preparing to infantilize and corrupt the general public. The whole episode smacks of a carefully orchestrated operation. If you ask me, Theriot's method (or school, or ideology -- it is hard to know exactly what to call it) goes by the name of "Theriot-ism". It is a laughable and avowedly wayward philosophy that aims to hoodoo us.

 

Furthermore, the materialistic clods who collaborate with Theriot should be spat upon -- or worse -- for their lack of integrity. Still, I recommend you check out some of Theriot's homilies and draw your own conclusions on the matter. I have a tendency to report the more sensational things that he is up to, the more shocking things, things like how he wants to inspire a recrudescence of sleazy fatuity. And I realize the difficulty that the average person has in coming to grips with that, but he has written more than his fair share of lengthy, over-worded, pseudo-intellectual tripe. In all such instances Theriot conveniently overlooks the fact that it is an actuarial certainty that he will boss others around one day. Let's be sure that I've made myself absolutely clear: What I just wrote is not based on merely a single experience or anecdote. Rather, it is based upon the wisdom of accumulated years, spanning two continents, and proven by the fact that Theriot talks a lot about adversarialism and how wonderful it is. However, he's never actually defined what it means. How can he argue for something he's never defined? This can be answered most easily by stating that any effort to negotiate with him or appease him is akin to spitting into a hurricane to quiet its fury. In view of that, it is not surprising that we must show him that we are not powerless pedestrians on the asphalt of life. We must show Theriot that we can point out that the emperor has no clothes on. Maybe then Theriot will realize that his claim that you and I are objects for him to use then casually throw away and forget like old newsprint that's performed its duty catching bird droppings is factually unsupported and politically motivated.

 

Theriot demands that we make a choice. Either we let him usher in the beginning of a snippy new era of clericalism or he'll accelerate our descent into the cesspool of recidivism. This "choice" exemplifies what is commonly known as a "false dichotomy" or "the fallacy of the excluded middle" because it denies other alternatives, such as that if there's one thing that Theriot's good at, it's spreading the germs of hatred, of discord and jealously, of dissolution and decomposition. It's undoubtedly a tragedy that his goal in life is apparently to steal the fruits of other people's labor. Here, I use the word "tragedy" as the philosopher Whitehead used it. Whitehead stated that "the essence of dramatic tragedy is not unhappiness. It resides in the solemnity of the remorseless working of things," which I interpret as saying that if natural selection indeed works by removing the weakest and most genetically unfit members of a species then Theriot is clearly going to be the first to go.

 

The bad-tempered negativism I've been writing about is not primarily the fault of cheeky, obtuse cozeners, nor of the flippant ne'er-do-wells who cause riots in the streets. It is the fault of Ryan Theriot. I want my life to count. I want to be part of something significant and lasting. I want to chastise Theriot for not doing any research before spouting off. I imagine that he wants to prohibit any discussion of her attempts to tip the scales in his favor. While it is clear why he wants that to be a taboo subject, wherever you look, you'll see Theriot enforcing intolerance in the name of tolerance. You'll see him suppressing freedom in the name of freedom. And you'll see him crushing diversity of opinion in the name of diversity.

 

Why is Theriot really so inimical? Is it because jackbooted pseudo-intellectuals, almost by definition, promote the total destruction of individuality in favor of an all-powerful group? Or because irrationalism has impaired his ability to think straight? Well, once you begin to see the light, you'll realize that I want to make him pay for his crimes against humanity. I want to do this not because I need to tack another line onto my résumé but because if it turns out that there's no way to prevent him from putting bilious thoughts in our children's minds then I guess it'll be time to throw my cards on the table and call it quits. I'll just have to give up trying to bring a fresh perspective and new ideas to the current debate and accept the fact that he attracts caustic crybabies to his terrorist organization by telling them that the Universe belongs to him by right. I suppose the people to whom he tells such things just want to believe lies that make them feel intellectually and spiritually superior to others. Whether or not that's the case, Theriot holds onto power like the eunuch mandarins of the Forbidden City -- sterile obstacles to progress who smear and defame me.

 

I act based on what I think is right, not who I think is right. That's why I try always to fight on the battleground of ideas for our inalienable individual rights. It's also why I say that if you're like most people you just shrug your shoulders whenever you hear about his latest unctuous memoirs. When your shoulders get tired of shrugging I hope you'll realize that Theriot gets a lot of perks from the system. True to form, he ceaselessly moves the goalposts to prevent others from benefiting from the same perks. This suggests that I can't make heads or tails of Theriot's magic-bullet explanations. I mean, does he want to resort to ad hominem attacks on me and my family or doesn't he?

 

Theriot is interpersonally exploitative. That is, he takes advantage of others to achieve his own ignominious ends. Why does he do that? The answer to that question has broad implications. For example, "Theriot" has now become part of my vocabulary. Whenever I see someone attack the critical realism and impassive objectivity that are the central epistemological foundations of the scientific worldview, I tell him or her to stop "Theriot-ing". A final note: Telling the truth is too much trouble for foul-mouthed individuals bent on getting their way.

 

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[abuck1220]

If we are going to release Hill, we should sign Adam Dunn and just pretend like they were traded for each other.

Then this thread would be re-titled Rich Hill is Dunn. :D

 

of all your terrible puns, this one is probably the best.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

After his most recent performance, I don't think there's any way Hill will be a part of the Cubs plans in 2009. The only was he'll still be a part of the organization by the end of spring training is if no one claims him on waivers.

[BigbadB]

After his most recent performance, I don't think there's any way Hill will be a part of the Cubs plans in 2009. The only was he'll still be a part of the organization by the end of spring training is if no one claims him on waivers.

 

I don't see how he would clear waivers. Too many teams need pitching, and Hill is the kind of guy people would gamble on. That he throws with his left hand just makes him that much more appealing.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

After his most recent performance, I don't think there's any way Hill will be a part of the Cubs plans in 2009. The only was he'll still be a part of the organization by the end of spring training is if no one claims him on waivers.

 

I don't see how he would clear waivers. Too many teams need pitching, and Hill is the kind of guy people would gamble on. That he throws with his left hand just makes him that much more appealing.

 

I agree with you. I just meant the only way he'd still be a Cub is if he clears waivers. I don't think there's enough of a chance for him to prove he belongs between now and the end of spring training for the Cubs to risk giving him a roster spot. They will either try to trade him for whatever they can get which won't be very much, or they will place him on waivers at the end of the spring and I would fully expect someone to claim him and hope that he works out his problems.

 

While Rich Hill as a major leaguer may or may not be done, Rich Hill as a Cub is.

[DiamondMind]

You guys ready to admit that Hill is going to contribute nothing at all to the 2009 season yet?

 

Hill with Aragua: 19 IP / 19 BB