What would it take to get Beltran?

[rawaction]

Assuming Delgado's team option is picked up, the Mets have about 75Mil tied into Santana, Beltran, Delgado, Wright, Reyes, Castillo and Scheneider. Their payroll was already approaching $140M. They would still need at least 2 bullpen arms, a 2B, and are looking a potential OF of Church and David Murphy on the corners.

 

The recent trade rumor is Beltran to the Yankees for Cano, Veras or Bruney (RP), Kennedy, and a prospect. If that is what the Mets are looking for, can the Cubs top that? The incentive to trade Beltran, I'd imagine, would be to open up money for 2 FA signings to fill a couple of their holes. That could be D.Lowe/KRod, Sheets/O. Hudson, or a big splash like Teixeira (then moving Delgado), Manny or CC. The caution is they don't have much else for CF unless they think Martinez is ready.

 

Beltran is owed $55.5 Mil over the next 3 years. Would a Cubs package of Derosa or Fontenot, Hill or Marshall, Gaudin and a prospect be enough? Gives them a good 2B, a 5th starter, and a relief arm, which they are getting in the Yanks trade scenario, but the 2B would be better in the Cubs package. Would the Mets be interested in Felix Pie? What about Ted Lilly or Jason Marquis to plug into the rotation? Would the Cubs be willing to trade Marmol?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd love to explore what it would take to get Beltran, but I wouldn't overpay.

 

If I could get the Mets to take back Fukudome, that would be ideal, but I don't think that would happen.

 

Fontenot or DeRosa likely becomes the centerpiece of the deal. Because of the cash the Cubs take on in Beltran, I'd try to insist on Marquis. And if we keep Fukudome while acquiring Beltran, Pie is essentially blocked, so I'd probably try to sell the Mets on him.

 

A couple of possible scenarios could be Fontenot/Marquis/Pie/Wuertz for Beltran or DeRosa/Marquis/Pie/Wuertz.

 

Since I'd love to keep both DeRosa and Fontenot, we might be able to include Cedeno in the place of Fontenot or DeRosa while increasing the value of the rest of the package. Gaudin could be subbed in for Wuertz. We also could throw in a minor leaguer like Atkins or Veal to increase the overall package.

 

Personally, I'd work with building it around Pie and Marquis and add value from there. If the Mets were willing to take Fukudome, then Marquis could be removed and other pieces added. If Fukudome is in the deal, then including Pie may not be as desirable and he becomes a possible RF if the Cubs don't find one in free agency.

[Jehrico]

I bet they'd at least give serious thought to Marmol, Theriot, and Pie. We'd be hard pressed to get them to not demand Marmol in any deal for him, I think.

[anabiono]

isn't beltran just another streaky hitter?

[CubinNY]

I'd love to explore what it would take to get Beltran, but I wouldn't overpay.

 

If I could get the Mets to take back Fukudome, that would be ideal, but I don't think that would happen.

 

Fontenot or DeRosa likely becomes the centerpiece of the deal. Because of the cash the Cubs take on in Beltran, I'd try to insist on Marquis. And if we keep Fukudome while acquiring Beltran, Pie is essentially blocked, so I'd probably try to sell the Mets on him.

 

A couple of possible scenarios could be Fontenot/Marquis/Pie/Wuertz for Beltran or DeRosa/Marquis/Pie/Wuertz.

 

Since I'd love to keep both DeRosa and Fontenot, we might be able to include Cedeno in the place of Fontenot or DeRosa while increasing the value of the rest of the package. Gaudin could be subbed in for Wuertz. We also could throw in a minor leaguer like Atkins or Veal to increase the overall package.

 

Personally, I'd work with building it around Pie and Marquis and add value from there. If the Mets were willing to take Fukudome, then Marquis could be removed and other pieces added. If Fukudome is in the deal, then including Pie may not be as desirable and he becomes a possible RF if the Cubs don't find one in free agency.

If Fontenot or DeRosa is the centerpiece of the deal, The deal isn't happening.

[Mephistopheles]

you guys realize in order to equal our production out of center field from this year, we need to add a guy like Beltran....

[Cubswin11]

Derosa, Marshall, Ceda, Gaudin/Marquis, and a prospect Wellington Castillo, Atkins, Flaherty, Colvin?

[Backtobanks]

Derosa, Marshall, Ceda, Gaudin/Marquis, and a prospect Wellington Castillo, Atkins, Flaherty, Colvin?

 

Your package is a lot more realistic than some of those other suggestions. The Mets aren't going to give away Beltran for unproven players (Pie, Fontenot, Hill) or roster filler (Marquis, Wuertz) without adding quality (DeRosa, Marshall) and/or quantity.

[SouthSideRyan]

isn't beltran just another streaky hitter?

 

Yes like everyone.

[anabiono]

isn't beltran just another streaky hitter?

 

Yes like everyone.

 

actually, let me put this a better way

 

how does beltran do with splitting his hits to all fields?

 

can anyone pull up the numbers for our team because it seems to me that we have a bunch of pull hitters and i would love it if the cubs could go a more balanced approach at the plate, however i am not at all sure if my assessment is correct

[Little Slide Rooter]

The Mets arent a re building type team. If they were going to trade any of their big name players, they would want a major league ready, front of the rotation type pitcher. Maybe if we were to build something around Ted Lilly, wed have a start. They're not going to give up anything for someone like Rich Hill or Sean Marshall who have yet to prove tht they can be a full time starter.

[Derwood]

let me just get my standard "it won't take 5 players to get Beltran" post out of the way

[Backtobanks]

let me just get my standard "it won't take 5 players to get Beltran" post out of the way

 

It'll take 5 or more players like Fontenot, Marquis, Wuertz, etc. It might take less if you're talking about Marmol, DeRosa, Marshall, or Lilly.

[Jehrico]

let me just get my standard "it won't take 5 players to get Beltran" post out of the way

 

It'll take 5 or more players like Fontenot, Marquis, Wuertz, etc. It might take less if you're talking about Marmol, DeRosa, Marshall, or Lilly.

If we give them 5 players for Beltran, we're going to have to take on some crap to help their 25 and 40 man rosters as well.

 

Any deal we make for a good player, hopefully Hendry tries to build it around Theriot. Sell high on him. As far as Beltran and the Mets, their bullpen was a disaster last year. Any proposal without Marmol isn't going to go very far with them. We have a cheap, premium guy at a position of need for them. If we're not going to help them with their main position of need, then why would they do business with us?

[Cubswin11]

Derosa, Marshall, Ceda, Gaudin/Marquis, and a prospect Wellington Castillo, Atkins, Flaherty, Colvin?

 

Your package is a lot more realistic than some of those other suggestions. The Mets aren't going to give away Beltran for unproven players (Pie, Fontenot, Hill) or roster filler (Marquis, Wuertz) without adding quality (DeRosa, Marshall) and/or quantity.

 

I think if we started out with a package made up of Marshall/Ceda/Derosa we could at least get our foot in the door and start to build around that. The Mets need a 2B and Dero would be a great addition to their lineup and provide some balance, Marshall could help them in the bullpen or take over the 4/5 starter spot and could save them some money from having to go out and spend a lot to sign another starter, and Ceda could potentially be up sometime this year in their bullpen and he has the stuff to be a closer within the next 3 years. If the Mets really want to trade Beltran, I think the Cubs match up better than some people might think.

[USSoccer]

It would probably be Theriot and Marmol to start, and then adding a Pie or Wuertz to get them interested.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Players that are "traded away" rarely get their true value in a deal. Beltran's contract, his status amongst the fans/media, and Minaya's inability to ignore the fan/media perception mean that if he were dealt it would be less than his actual worth.

[Derwood]

let me just get my standard "it won't take 5 players to get Beltran" post out of the way

 

It'll take 5 or more players like Fontenot, Marquis, Wuertz, etc. It might take less if you're talking about Marmol, DeRosa, Marshall, or Lilly.

 

we got Harden AND Gaudin for the potential of Gallagher and a bucket of crap. It won't take 5 players off our 40 man roster to get Beltran

[Jehrico]

Players that are "traded away" rarely get their true value in a deal. Beltran's contract, his status amongst the fans/media, and Minaya's inability to ignore the fan/media perception mean that if he were dealt it would be less than his actual worth.

Depends on who else was out there fighting for him, which raises a good question. Who else out there needs a CF, can afford the rest of his contract, and has anything to give away? With Beltrans contract, you can eliminate alot of the small market teams. With fewer people going for him, he might just come a little cheaper than expected. I don't know who would make a play for him.

[David]

To be fair, Harden came cheaply because of his durability concerns.

 

 

I agree that these crazy 5+ for one deals rarely happen in reality, though.

[rawaction]

To be fair, Harden came cheaply because of his durability concerns.

 

 

I agree that these crazy 5+ for one deals rarely happen in reality, though.

 

Agreed. It only took 6 players for Cabrera AND Willis, and they both had pretty friendly contracts. Beltran's contract being off the books would free up the money for the Mets to fill some of their other holes. He's good enough where the Mets shouldn't have to eat any of his contract, but both of those factors mean the Mets will not get full value for Beltran. I think they would be satisfied by filling a couple of their holes cheaply.

[Rob]

Lilly, DeRosa, and Wuertz for Beltran, Moviel and cash.

 

Plug Marshall or Samardzija into the rotation, and Fontenot in at 2B.

[Backtobanks]

Players that are "traded away" rarely get their true value in a deal. Beltran's contract, his status amongst the fans/media, and Minaya's inability to ignore the fan/media perception mean that if he were dealt it would be less than his actual worth.

 

I guess the real question is what his "actual worth" is. Bringing up the Hardin trade is ridiculous because the A's were going nowhere, have no money, and rebuilding. The Mets are a rich team that contends every year and needs players back that will help them immediately. Also, if Delgado leaves and then Minaya trades Beltran, the offense takes a sharp turn downward.

[Soul]

To be fair, Harden came cheaply because of his durability concerns.

 

 

I agree that these crazy 5+ for one deals rarely happen in reality, though.

 

Agreed. It only took 6 players for Cabrera AND Willis, and they both had pretty friendly contracts. Beltran's contract being off the books would free up the money for the Mets to fill some of their other holes. He's good enough where the Mets shouldn't have to eat any of his contract, but both of those factors mean the Mets will not get full value for Beltran. I think they would be satisfied by filling a couple of their holes cheaply.

 

I'd probably give up a goodly amount to get Beltran.

[WindyCity]

They both have no-trade clauses, but I'd love a deal centered around a swap of Soriano for Beltran. I hated the length of the Sori signing from day 1 and it would be a good idea IMO if the Cubs could get out of it before his production really starts to drop. I think NY is one market that Alfonso would not mind waiving his no-trade clause to return to...