Jake Peavy: Available.

[illiniguy]

My trade preposal de-jour:

 

Pads get:

Sean Marshall

Kevin Gregg

Felix Pie

Ryan Theriot

1 or 2 negotiable prospects

 

Cubs get:

Jake Peavy

Khalil Greene

 

Yeah, I know it sounds like every other preposal, substituting Ceda with Gregg, but there has to be some reason that Hendry sent one of his top 3 prospects and trade chips for a slightly above average 30 year old reliever with 1 year under team control.

 

I still don't understand why you're under the impression that the Padres would want Gregg. He probably has negative value to them

 

Your probably right, but Im just baffled about the Gregg trade otherwise. Greggs not particularly bad, and Im not saying that Cedas is the next K Rod, but he was one of our top trade chips, and we traded him for a guy who we really had little to no use for, with 1 year under team control.

 

It could be that for once Hendry traded a player while his value was the highest, and got a decent return for someone he didn't see fitting into the Cubs plans in the future.

 

He may have traded him while his value was highest, but he didn't get true value for him. He basically gave him away for a mediocre reliever who will make millions next year.

 

It doesn't matter if he doesn't fit into the Cubs plans, he still has value that can be used. I can't stand when people use that argument.

 

 

True value is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously, Hendry values Ceda a lot less than we do. Until Ceda comes to the major leagues and puts up numbers better than Gregg, I will give Hendry the benefit of the doubt. Plus, the Cubs got Ceda for basically nothing.

 

One of the reasons I like this move is that Hendry is being proactive early in the off season. With Gregg the Cubs have at least one solid bullpen arm guaranteed. If Gregg were in the Cubs pen last year he would have had the third best WHIP behind Wood and Marmol. If he has a similar season in 2009, he is an upgrade over every other pitcher in the pen. Hendry still has time to go out and get some other arms, but he is not held hostage in free agency.

Just because we got him for nothing, doesn't mean we should just give him back away. Good teams capitalize on the guys they get for nothing.

[cubsfan26]

My trade preposal de-jour:

 

Pads get:

Sean Marshall

Kevin Gregg

Felix Pie

Ryan Theriot

1 or 2 negotiable prospects

 

Cubs get:

Jake Peavy

Khalil Greene

 

Yeah, I know it sounds like every other preposal, substituting Ceda with Gregg, but there has to be some reason that Hendry sent one of his top 3 prospects and trade chips for a slightly above average 30 year old reliever with 1 year under team control.

 

I still don't understand why you're under the impression that the Padres would want Gregg. He probably has negative value to them

 

Your probably right, but Im just baffled about the Gregg trade otherwise. Greggs not particularly bad, and Im not saying that Cedas is the next K Rod, but he was one of our top trade chips, and we traded him for a guy who we really had little to no use for, with 1 year under team control.

 

It could be that for once Hendry traded a player while his value was the highest, and got a decent return for someone he didn't see fitting into the Cubs plans in the future.

 

He may have traded him while his value was highest, but he didn't get true value for him. He basically gave him away for a mediocre reliever who will make millions next year.

 

It doesn't matter if he doesn't fit into the Cubs plans, he still has value that can be used. I can't stand when people use that argument.

 

 

I dunno if Ceda value was much higher then a guy like Kevin Gregg, and the only reason the Marlins only got one prospect for a Gregg, Is because Gregg got hurt and struggled in mid to late August. On August 14th, Gregg was 26 of 32 in saves with a 2.29 era, and had a mid 2 era most of the season. The fact that he got bombed from August 15 through 29 and then went on the DL, made him have less value this offseason. I'm not saying that makes it ok for Hendry to trade a prospect like Ceda for Gregg.

 

 

But a guy like Gregg who doesn't make alot, who can close and has a mid 3's era, has good value around the league. I'm sure alot of people around baseball don't see Gregg as a mediocre reliever, including obviously Jim Hendry. Hendry has made alot of moves in the few years that seemed questionable like this, and most of them worked out ok. So I'm willing to give Hendry the benefit of the doubt and just see what happens before I call it a bad move.

Edited November 15, 2008 by cubsfan26

[Elrhino]

Believe it not, minor league relievers aren't exactly hot commodities around baseball ... even when they don't have such dire command problems that an extended major league future seems improbable. The Cubs are basically on the other end this time of the Kyle Farnsworth for Roberto Novoa trade.

[17 Seconds]

My trade preposal de-jour:

 

Pads get:

Sean Marshall

Kevin Gregg

Felix Pie

Ryan Theriot

1 or 2 negotiable prospects

 

Cubs get:

Jake Peavy

Khalil Greene

 

Yeah, I know it sounds like every other preposal, substituting Ceda with Gregg, but there has to be some reason that Hendry sent one of his top 3 prospects and trade chips for a slightly above average 30 year old reliever with 1 year under team control.

 

I still don't understand why you're under the impression that the Padres would want Gregg. He probably has negative value to them

 

Your probably right, but Im just baffled about the Gregg trade otherwise. Greggs not particularly bad, and Im not saying that Cedas is the next K Rod, but he was one of our top trade chips, and we traded him for a guy who we really had little to no use for, with 1 year under team control.

 

It could be that for once Hendry traded a player while his value was the highest, and got a decent return for someone he didn't see fitting into the Cubs plans in the future.

 

He may have traded him while his value was highest, but he didn't get true value for him. He basically gave him away for a mediocre reliever who will make millions next year.

 

It doesn't matter if he doesn't fit into the Cubs plans, he still has value that can be used. I can't stand when people use that argument.

 

 

True value is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously, Hendry values Ceda a lot less than we do. Until Ceda comes to the major leagues and puts up numbers better than Gregg, I will give Hendry the benefit of the doubt. Plus, the Cubs got Ceda for basically nothing.

 

One of the reasons I like this move is that Hendry is being proactive early in the off season. With Gregg the Cubs have at least one solid bullpen arm guaranteed. If Gregg were in the Cubs pen last year he would have had the third best WHIP behind Wood and Marmol. If he has a similar season in 2009, he is an upgrade over every other pitcher in the pen. Hendry still has time to go out and get some other arms, but he is not held hostage in free agency.

 

So because he got Ceda for nothing it's okay to give him away? I really don't think you should be giving Hendry the benefit of the doubt, especially when trading young pitchers to the Marlins.

 

I also think you think Gregg is better than he really is. He's an average pitcher with an above average salary.

 

Plus saying that he had a better WHIP than anybody on our team last year not named Wood or Marmol isn't really saying much.

[17 Seconds]

Believe it not, minor league relievers aren't exactly hot commodities around baseball ... even when they don't have such dire command problems that an extended major league future seems improbable. The Cubs are basically on the other end this time of the Kyle Farnsworth for Roberto Novoa trade.

 

Neither are mediocre relievers who can't throw strikes and have bloated salaries

[17 Seconds]

My trade preposal de-jour:

 

Pads get:

Sean Marshall

Kevin Gregg

Felix Pie

Ryan Theriot

1 or 2 negotiable prospects

 

Cubs get:

Jake Peavy

Khalil Greene

 

Yeah, I know it sounds like every other preposal, substituting Ceda with Gregg, but there has to be some reason that Hendry sent one of his top 3 prospects and trade chips for a slightly above average 30 year old reliever with 1 year under team control.

 

I still don't understand why you're under the impression that the Padres would want Gregg. He probably has negative value to them

 

Your probably right, but Im just baffled about the Gregg trade otherwise. Greggs not particularly bad, and Im not saying that Cedas is the next K Rod, but he was one of our top trade chips, and we traded him for a guy who we really had little to no use for, with 1 year under team control.

 

It could be that for once Hendry traded a player while his value was the highest, and got a decent return for someone he didn't see fitting into the Cubs plans in the future.

 

He may have traded him while his value was highest, but he didn't get true value for him. He basically gave him away for a mediocre reliever who will make millions next year.

 

It doesn't matter if he doesn't fit into the Cubs plans, he still has value that can be used. I can't stand when people use that argument.

 

 

I dunno if Ceda value was much higher then a guy like Kevin Gregg, and the only reason the Marlins only got one prospect for a Gregg, Is because Gregg got hurt and struggled in mid to late August. On August 14th, Gregg was 26 of 32 in saves with a 2.29 era, and had a mid 2 era most of the season. The fact that he got bombed from August 15 through 29 and then went on the DL, made him have less value this offseason. I'm not saying that makes it ok for Hendry to trade a prospect like Ceda for Gregg. But a guy like Gregg who doesn't make alot, who can close and has a mid 3's era, has good value around the league. I'm sure alot of people around baseball don't see Gregg as a mediocre reliever, including obviously Jim Hendry.

 

That's irrelevant, because the stats show that he is

[CubinNY]

Believe it not, minor league relievers aren't exactly hot commodities around baseball ... even when they don't have such dire command problems that an extended major league future seems improbable. The Cubs are basically on the other end this time of the Kyle Farnsworth for Roberto Novoa trade.

 

Neither are mediocre relievers who can't throw strikes and have bloated salaries

Kevin Gregg is virtually Farnsworth's twin when the Cubs got rid of him, maybe a little worse.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=278&playerid2=1793&playerid3=&position=P&page=2&type=full

[erik316wttn]

Believe it not, minor league relievers aren't exactly hot commodities around baseball ... even when they don't have such dire command problems that an extended major league future seems improbable. The Cubs are basically on the other end this time of the Kyle Farnsworth for Roberto Novoa trade.

 

Neither are mediocre relievers who can't throw strikes and have bloated salaries

Kevin Gregg is virtually Farnsworth's twin when the Cubs got rid of him, maybe a little worse.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/comparison.aspx?playerid=278&playerid2=1793&playerid3=&position=P&page=2&type=full

 

Gregg is a meathead who falls in love with his slider to the point where he has to throw a fastball, which the hitter sits on and crushes?

[17 Seconds]

I just find it ridiculous that they're trading BA's 4th ranked Cubs prospect of 2008 for kevin Gregg and they're dumping Michael Wuertz. Somebody please explain that to me.

[Guest]

Ceda >>>> Novoa (in his hey day as a prospect).

[inari]

I just find it ridiculous that they're trading BA's 4th ranked Cubs prospect of 2008 for kevin Gregg and they're dumping Michael Wuertz. Somebody please explain that to me.

 

Dumping Michael Wuertz? Did I miss something?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ceda >>>> Novoa (in his hey day as a prospect).

 

Yeah, but we also got Bo Flowers along with Novoa.

[RedFlash]

I just find it ridiculous that they're trading BA's 4th ranked Cubs prospect of 2008 for kevin Gregg and they're dumping Michael Wuertz. Somebody please explain that to me.

 

Dumping Michael Wuertz? Did I miss something?

 

Same here....

[17 Seconds]

I thought someone on this board said that.

[B]

My proposal:

 

SD gets: SS Ryan Theriot

 

Chi gets: SP Jake Peavy

SS Khalil Greene

 

S.D. would be getting a top tier SS, and dumping salary at the same time. I see no reason they wouldn't do this.

[Vanilla Ice]

My proposal:

 

SD gets: SS Ryan Theriot

 

Chi gets: SP Jake Peavy

SS Khalil Greene

 

S.D. would be getting a top tier SS, and dumping salary at the same time. I see no reason they wouldn't do this.

oh man, i want to think you are joking

[Rob]

Ceda >>>> Novoa (in his hey day as a prospect).

 

Yeah, but we also got Bo Flowers along with Novoa.

 

And Scott Moore.

[CUBZ99]

My trade preposal de-jour:

 

Pads get:

Sean Marshall

Kevin Gregg

Felix Pie

Ryan Theriot

1 or 2 negotiable prospects

 

Cubs get:

Jake Peavy

Khalil Greene

 

Yeah, I know it sounds like every other preposal, substituting Ceda with Gregg, but there has to be some reason that Hendry sent one of his top 3 prospects and trade chips for a slightly above average 30 year old reliever with 1 year under team control.

 

I still don't understand why you're under the impression that the Padres would want Gregg. He probably has negative value to them

 

Your probably right, but Im just baffled about the Gregg trade otherwise. Greggs not particularly bad, and Im not saying that Cedas is the next K Rod, but he was one of our top trade chips, and we traded him for a guy who we really had little to no use for, with 1 year under team control.

 

It could be that for once Hendry traded a player while his value was the highest, and got a decent return for someone he didn't see fitting into the Cubs plans in the future.

 

He may have traded him while his value was highest, but he didn't get true value for him. He basically gave him away for a mediocre reliever who will make millions next year.

 

It doesn't matter if he doesn't fit into the Cubs plans, he still has value that can be used. I can't stand when people use that argument.

 

 

True value is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously, Hendry values Ceda a lot less than we do. Until Ceda comes to the major leagues and puts up numbers better than Gregg, I will give Hendry the benefit of the doubt. Plus, the Cubs got Ceda for basically nothing.

 

One of the reasons I like this move is that Hendry is being proactive early in the off season. With Gregg the Cubs have at least one solid bullpen arm guaranteed. If Gregg were in the Cubs pen last year he would have had the third best WHIP behind Wood and Marmol. If he has a similar season in 2009, he is an upgrade over every other pitcher in the pen. Hendry still has time to go out and get some other arms, but he is not held hostage in free agency.

 

So because he got Ceda for nothing it's okay to give him away? I really don't think you should be giving Hendry the benefit of the doubt, especially when trading young pitchers to the Marlins.

 

I also think you think Gregg is better than he really is. He's an average pitcher with an above average salary.

 

Plus saying that he had a better WHIP than anybody on our team last year not named Wood or Marmol isn't really saying much.

 

And you think Gregg is worse than he really is. A 1.27 WHIP is not average. Ceda had around a 1.30 in A+ ball. That is against low level major league hitters. Why is it that you apply a double standard when you evaluate talent. By your logic if a 1.27 WHIP pitcher in the majors is an average reliever than....a 1.30 A+ ball pitcher is WAY below average, because he is facing much worse talent. People are getting carried away with Ceda's ability to throw a 95 mph fastball.

[mhuber92211]

Why would the Padres want Ceda back? They gave up on him too. Since the braves are no longer interested, Peavy's price tag just went down

[inari]

All this stuff from Donnie is very exciting.

[17 Seconds]

My trade preposal de-jour:

 

Pads get:

Sean Marshall

Kevin Gregg

Felix Pie

Ryan Theriot

1 or 2 negotiable prospects

 

Cubs get:

Jake Peavy

Khalil Greene

 

Yeah, I know it sounds like every other preposal, substituting Ceda with Gregg, but there has to be some reason that Hendry sent one of his top 3 prospects and trade chips for a slightly above average 30 year old reliever with 1 year under team control.

 

I still don't understand why you're under the impression that the Padres would want Gregg. He probably has negative value to them

 

Your probably right, but Im just baffled about the Gregg trade otherwise. Greggs not particularly bad, and Im not saying that Cedas is the next K Rod, but he was one of our top trade chips, and we traded him for a guy who we really had little to no use for, with 1 year under team control.

 

It could be that for once Hendry traded a player while his value was the highest, and got a decent return for someone he didn't see fitting into the Cubs plans in the future.

 

He may have traded him while his value was highest, but he didn't get true value for him. He basically gave him away for a mediocre reliever who will make millions next year.

 

It doesn't matter if he doesn't fit into the Cubs plans, he still has value that can be used. I can't stand when people use that argument.

 

 

True value is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously, Hendry values Ceda a lot less than we do. Until Ceda comes to the major leagues and puts up numbers better than Gregg, I will give Hendry the benefit of the doubt. Plus, the Cubs got Ceda for basically nothing.

 

One of the reasons I like this move is that Hendry is being proactive early in the off season. With Gregg the Cubs have at least one solid bullpen arm guaranteed. If Gregg were in the Cubs pen last year he would have had the third best WHIP behind Wood and Marmol. If he has a similar season in 2009, he is an upgrade over every other pitcher in the pen. Hendry still has time to go out and get some other arms, but he is not held hostage in free agency.

 

So because he got Ceda for nothing it's okay to give him away? I really don't think you should be giving Hendry the benefit of the doubt, especially when trading young pitchers to the Marlins.

 

I also think you think Gregg is better than he really is. He's an average pitcher with an above average salary.

 

Plus saying that he had a better WHIP than anybody on our team last year not named Wood or Marmol isn't really saying much.

 

And you think Gregg is worse than he really is. A 1.27 WHIP is not average. Ceda had around a 1.30 in A+ ball. That is against low level major league hitters. Why is it that you apply a double standard when you evaluate talent. By your logic if a 1.27 WHIP pitcher in the majors is an average reliever than....a 1.30 A+ ball pitcher is WAY below average, because he is facing much worse talent. People are getting carried away with Ceda's ability to throw a 95 mph fastball.

 

I don't think anyone is getting carried away with Ceda. Nobody here is in love with him We know what he is. I wanted him to be traded while he had value this offseason, just not for Gregg. For other organizations with decent farm systems this trade might be okay. Ceda is one of the few players we have in the minors that actually has trade value. We can't be wasting those guys. BA ranked him our 4th best prospect in 2008 so he's not trash. Also, I'm not sure why you're using his WHIP at age 21 in AA to determine how good he is anyways. I'd say the fact that he is missing a ton of bats at that level at a young age is a lot more relevant.

[Dallas Green]

Good reporting Donnie. I was pulling for you. It sucks when you can't divulge sources, but I'm sure Peavy wouldn't say anything he didn't mean. I think this smells like a deal is happening. The power of the player's wishes are important. Hendry sat Wood down Tue night at dinner and let him know to move on, it was said that if we got Jake we wouldn't retain Wood.

[ConstableRabbit]

Thanks for the info, Donnie. I'm pretty excited! Hopefully it works out. Soon.

[Guancous]

Peavy would be gourd-shattering but am I the only poo-toucher for being hesitant? I don't want to disdain DonnieD but then again, he's a random dude on the internet. The historical ratio of those dudes being correct hovers around .05%. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not ordering a Peavy jersey. Obviously I hope I'm wrong. Hey, Jake Peavy, if you're reading this, I'll introduce you to a bunch of Kyle Farnsworth's old girlfriends in Lincoln Park. You'll have a fun time every afternoon for years.

[David]

FWIW, I'm pretty sure the mods can confirm whether he was posting from Puerto Rico (for those of you that have doubts, that is... i don't think he'd take the time and effort to string us along and make something like this up).

 

That's something. Not exactly stone cold proof, but it would support the story.