Jake Peavy: Available.

[dew1679666265]

Considering you pride yourself in being a statistical geek, pls show us what stats prove that Peavy is such a lopsided choice as the better pitcher between the two that justifies calling everyone else "mouth breathers?" That comment was uncalled for, especially in this discussion. Sometimes your attitude on this message board rivals what I'd expect from someone in real life going through a 'roid rage.

 

He was joking, playing off my last post in this thread.

 

I don't think he was joking. And he did say that he didn't think Santana was "A LOT" better than Peavy. And he's right.

 

I think the "mouthbreathers" part was a joke. The Peavy is better than Santana part he was serious, though, I think.

 

Why do you say Peavy is better? I don't have a solid opinion, so I'm curious as to why you think so.

[17 Seconds]

Yeah, but what I am supposed to say when people are agreeing with this kind of thing for no reason? You want hyperbole? Here it is, if Santana's home park was Petco his season ERA would be 0.59.

 

People in this thread who said Peavy was as good or better than Santana: Meph, Rob

 

People in this thread who expressed reservations about trading for Peavy, and/or disagreed with Meph/Rob's characterization of him: I don't want to go back and count, it's over half a dozen.

 

You're embarrassing yourself with this over-the-top "what is wrong with everyone why does everyone think this thing that is clearly wrong and I must bombastically correct you for the error of your ways" schtick.

 

You're exaggerating. Over half a dozen? I think not. That is over the top. You may call it bombastic posting, but if you feel strongly about a subject I don't see a reason to put a little verve into it, instead of everyone trying to out Spock/robot each other. Plus, in order to get embarrassed I would have to care about the reputation of this little internet persona, which I don't. I basically get ganged up on about petty nonsense in nearly every thread I post in, oh no, I'm not proclaiming Jay Jackson is Tim Lincecum just yet, I'm such a negative guy, everybody pile on.

 

That's part of what I don't like about these boards, what starts as a one-on-one disagreement turns into 7 people taking cheap shots at you personally instead of your argument. I just wish there was less damn posturing. Uh-oh, somebody thinks the fact that Josh Hamilton recovered from drug addiction does not make him a better baseball player than if he never took drugs in the first place! Better send out 10 guys with "internet tough guy" attitudes to deal with the problem.

 

i love the way you just make up these "prevailing board attitudes" on completely random topics. i can't decide if you're just a really bad poster with a need to be persecuted or perhaps the greatest troll in nsbb history

 

You're kind of proving his point right there. Just sayin...

 

people "pile on him" because he attributes statements to people incorrectly and because he's wrong quite often. that's not piling on, that's called correcting.

 

It is? Why don't you take a look at the last page and a half of the Hamilton thread and tell me what that is accomplishing. That's a joke. I don't get what your name calling is accomplishing either. It's like if you have even a slightly heretic opinion on something you're going to get ripped apart for it by an angry mob..... even if what you said makes sense.

 

Plus I didn't really see anybody correct him in that thread. I saw a bunch of people who refused to acknowledge the affect the park had and people spouting stats that they really know nothing about. There's only one thing worse than old school baseball guys who hate people who put stock in sabermetrics....and that's people who cherry pick stats and act like they can't be proven wrong because of it/them. Poeple talk about Hamilton's OPS+ at home but then fail to mention the huge home OPS+ numbers of stiffs like Ramon Vazquez, Marlon Byrd, Brandon Boggs, and Michael Young. Whatever though, this is a thread about Peavy so I'll end it.

[imb]

you saw a bunch of people correct him with things you didn't understand because they don't match up to what you believed so you discarded them. it happens

[17 Seconds]

you saw a bunch of people correct him with things you didn't understand because they don't match up to what you believed so you discarded them. it happens

 

Wait, can you explain to me what I didn't understand? Please? Seems like you were the one discarding obvious logic, not me.

 

It's cool though, because VORP shows you're right. It doesn't matter that you don't understand VORP, as long as it backs up your opinion.

 

I love 20 year old kids who just recently found out about sabermetrics. I can't wait until you guys change the subject and start talking about movie quotes because you can't accept the fact that Josh Hamilton really wasn't that special this year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Please take it to the Hamilton thread if you want to revisit that again.

[Rob]

I feel a lot better about my statement now that I know badnews disagrees with it.

[17 Seconds]

I feel a lot better about my statement now that I know badnews disagrees with it.

 

Keep taking pointless and unnecessary shots. It's really helping your argument. I now agree with everything you're saying. :good:

[17 Seconds]

as Marmol + Samardzija + Vitters + Pie is probably only enough to get us to the table.

 

 

Wait when did Peavy become Johan Santana on a Brawndo/HGH cocktail Good lord, If that's not going to get it done. No one else will be get him either. Short of the Red Sox.

 

But that's besides the point anyways. Shark is not being traded this offseason.

 

Peavy and Santana are the #1 and #2 pitchers in baseball, and it's not even particularly close. And since Peavy is under contract for three years, whereas Santana is under contract for one... well, it's gonna be pretty expensive to pick him up.

 

How is Peavy better than Sabathia? Even with the help of Petco he's not better. When you actually take into account the park it's even worse. To say that he's a top 2 pitcher "and it's not even particularly close" (which is an extremely played out term on here BTW) is pretty silly.

 

It's debatable whether or not Santana is still a top 2 pitcher also. He probably is, but I don't like his steady decline that he's been on over the last few years. His numbers are still very good, but they're nowhere near what they were a few years ago. I wonder what his numbers would look like if he still pitched in the AL. I've read a lot of stuff this season about scouts saying his stuff isn't even close to what it was when he was with the Twins.

[RedFlash]

I've read a lot of stuff this season about scouts saying his stuff isn't even close to what it was when he was with the Twins.

 

You have to be carefully when you make a statement like this. Of course, Santana's stuff isn't as good today as it was a few yrs ago, but guess what, very few---if any---pitcher can maintain the level of the stuff throughout their career. Look at Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddux, Randy Johnson, etc, etc their stuff today is nowhere near as good as their stuff was even a decade ago. That's a product of getting older, and it's no different with Santana.

[nolanwood]

Keep taking pointless and unnecessary shots. It's really helping your argument. I now agree with everything you're saying. :good:

 

Would this qualify?

 

"I love 20 year old kids who just recently found out about sabermetrics."

 

If I was 15 years younger I'd take offense to that comment...

[ZiggyTaxi]

Keep taking pointless and unnecessary shots. It's really helping your argument. I now agree with everything you're saying. :good:

 

Would this qualify?

 

"I love 20 year old kids who just recently found out about sabermetrics."

 

If I was 15 years younger I'd take offense to that comment...

 

 

I agree. That was a pointless and unnecessary shot to me.

 

You know an argument is hopeless when they bring out the age card.

 

I love 20 year old kids who just recently found out about sabermetrics.

 

Just how often have you personally used the phrase "You'll get it when you're older"?

[UMFan83]

Thank God

 

According to Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals are not a serious player for Jake Peavy. Miklasz's Cardinals sources downplayed the idea and noted that they've only had one conversation with the Padres.

 

As Miklasz says, it could be the money, the prospects, or both. Viva El Birdos believes it would limit roster construction. If the Cardinals take a pass and the Astros don't have the goods, it might be down to the Braves, Dodgers, and Cubs.

[JWCUB]

Thank God

 

According to Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals are not a serious player for Jake Peavy. Miklasz's Cardinals sources downplayed the idea and noted that they've only had one conversation with the Padres.

 

As Miklasz says, it could be the money, the prospects, or both. Viva El Birdos believes it would limit roster construction. If the Cardinals take a pass and the Astros don't have the goods, it might be down to the Braves, Dodgers, and Cubs.

 

But really, do you think the Cubs are serious players for Peavy? It would be nice, but I highly doubt it.

[Derwood]

You never know

 

But going after Peavy doesn't seem to jive with their seeming intent to resign Dempster (unless Marshall was part of the deal)

[UMFan83]

Thank God

 

According to Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals are not a serious player for Jake Peavy. Miklasz's Cardinals sources downplayed the idea and noted that they've only had one conversation with the Padres.

 

As Miklasz says, it could be the money, the prospects, or both. Viva El Birdos believes it would limit roster construction. If the Cardinals take a pass and the Astros don't have the goods, it might be down to the Braves, Dodgers, and Cubs.

 

But really, do you think the Cubs are serious players for Peavy? It would be nice, but I highly doubt it.

 

I don't. I just don't want the Cardinals to get him.

[BigbadB]

Thank God

 

According to Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals are not a serious player for Jake Peavy. Miklasz's Cardinals sources downplayed the idea and noted that they've only had one conversation with the Padres.

 

As Miklasz says, it could be the money, the prospects, or both. Viva El Birdos believes it would limit roster construction. If the Cardinals take a pass and the Astros don't have the goods, it might be down to the Braves, Dodgers, and Cubs.

 

But really, do you think the Cubs are serious players for Peavy? It would be nice, but I highly doubt it.

 

They ought to be serious players. If the Cardinals are out and Houston doesn't have the goods, and the Dodgers will have to sell the entire farm, that leaves Atlanta and Chicago as the prime players that fall within Peavy's interests.

 

Atlanta is rebuilding. They don't seem like the ideal candidates to lure Peavy to Atlanta. What good does it do to pay Peavy all that money to pitch every 5 days with a team that probably won't be any better than .500 next year?

 

That leaves the Cubs. While the Cubs don't have quality to offer, they do have quantity. They also have the resources to take on extra payroll if the Padres wanted to attach another contract to the deal (Greene or Giles, for example).

 

Will they be serious players? Hard to say. But, they'd be stupid not to play the game. They were stupid for not playing the game with all the other talented players whose free agent years passed right by Chicago. Guys like Beltran and Guerrero.

 

Instead of overspending on guys like Soriano, go out and get the guys who are deserving of the contracts they are receiving and give this team, this city and these fans what they deserve.

[mul21]

Thank God

 

According to Bernie Miklasz of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals are not a serious player for Jake Peavy. Miklasz's Cardinals sources downplayed the idea and noted that they've only had one conversation with the Padres.

 

As Miklasz says, it could be the money, the prospects, or both. Viva El Birdos believes it would limit roster construction. If the Cardinals take a pass and the Astros don't have the goods, it might be down to the Braves, Dodgers, and Cubs.

 

Yeah, he reiterated this on his radio show this afternoon. He basically said what you've got here, that they had one conversation, didn't have anything to agree on and it was over.

[Ball And Glove]

Brewers:

Manny Parra

Dave Bush(I doubt Gallardo will be moved, and if he was, the Brewers would be foolish)

Corey Hart

 

That deal might be enough, but if I'm the Padres, I'd want Parra, Hardy, and Hart.

 

Both ideas seem pretty fair, but if the Padres are rebuilding and they're presumably trying to cut salary, I'm not sure they'd want Hardy. He's a great offensive shortstop, but he hits arby this offseason and is about to get very, very expensive.

 

My offer from Milwaukee would be something like Jeffress, Escobar, Hart, and a spare piece (Gwynn?) for Peavy and a spare piece. Parra's not quite as untouchable as Gallardo, but I don't think it would make a lot of sense for the Brewers to give away one of the few average-to-good starters they'll have left once Sabathia and Sheets leave to get Peavy back. It's probably why the Brewers aren't really a serious contender in these talks.

 

One creative idea on Brewerfan is to get a third team into the mix, in order to get Prince Fielder involved. The Pads obviously have no need for Fielder since they already have Gonzalez, but they could possibly get a team like the Rays to take Fielder and supply the pitching to San Diego, while the Brewers supply a positional prospect slightly below the level of Escobar/Gamel/Jeffress. It has next to no chance of happening and doesn't make a ton of sense, but it'd be damn entertaining to talk about.

[RammyFanny]

Muskat was asked about it in her mailbag today. Of course she didn't give an answer, but she said that they would have to come to an internal conclusion on what they plan to do with Wood and Demp first.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Brewers:

Manny Parra

Dave Bush(I doubt Gallardo will be moved, and if he was, the Brewers would be foolish)

Corey Hart

 

That deal might be enough, but if I'm the Padres, I'd want Parra, Hardy, and Hart.

 

Both ideas seem pretty fair, but if the Padres are rebuilding and they're presumably trying to cut salary, I'm not sure they'd want Hardy. He's a great offensive shortstop, but he hits arby this offseason and is about to get very, very expensive.

 

My offer from Milwaukee would be something like Jeffress, Escobar, Hart, and a spare piece (Gwynn?) for Peavy and a spare piece. Parra's not quite as untouchable as Gallardo, but I don't think it would make a lot of sense for the Brewers to give away one of the few average-to-good starters they'll have left once Sabathia and Sheets leave to get Peavy back. It's probably why the Brewers aren't really a serious contender in these talks.

 

One creative idea on Brewerfan is to get a third team into the mix, in order to get Prince Fielder involved. The Pads obviously have no need for Fielder since they already have Gonzalez, but they could possibly get a team like the Rays to take Fielder and supply the pitching to San Diego, while the Brewers supply a positional prospect slightly below the level of Escobar/Gamel/Jeffress. It has next to no chance of happening and doesn't make a ton of sense, but it'd be damn entertaining to talk about.

 

Then theres the question that if the Brewers were to aquire Peavy, but end up giving up Hardy and Fielder, in the end, would they really be much better off than the Padres are now?

[17 Seconds]

Keep taking pointless and unnecessary shots. It's really helping your argument. I now agree with everything you're saying. :good:

 

Would this qualify?

 

"I love 20 year old kids who just recently found out about sabermetrics."

 

If I was 15 years younger I'd take offense to that comment...

 

 

I agree. That was a pointless and unnecessary shot to me.

 

You know an argument is hopeless when they bring out the age card.

 

I love 20 year old kids who just recently found out about sabermetrics.

 

Just how often have you personally used the phrase "You'll get it when you're older"?

 

I'm only 23 also. I didn't mean it like that.

[ZiggyTaxi]

My apologies then.

 

A big part of me hopes we don't somehow get Peavy, just so I won't get my hopes up again. Although, I probably don't even have to worry about that one as I think the chance of it happening is pretty low.

[BigbadB]

My apologies then.

 

A big part of me hopes we don't somehow get Peavy, just so I won't get my hopes up again. Although, I probably don't even have to worry about that one as I think the chance of it happening is pretty low.

 

Haha. I was thinking that exact thing late last evening and after my last post in this thread. The Cubs would be doing themselves a favor to get into the Peavy talks just to rope idiots like me right back in.

 

Not that I actually need to be roped back in, but I will admit that I have needed to take a break from this club for the last few weeks. Peavy discussion definitely gets my attention, however. :shock:

[Jehrico]

My apologies then.

 

A big part of me hopes we don't somehow get Peavy, just so I won't get my hopes up again. Although, I probably don't even have to worry about that one as I think the chance of it happening is pretty low.

 

Haha. I was thinking that exact thing late last evening and after my last post in this thread. The Cubs would be doing themselves a favor to get into the Peavy talks just to rope idiots like me right back in.

 

Not that I actually need to be roped back in, but I will admit that I have needed to take a break from this club for the last few weeks. Peavy discussion definitely gets my attention, however. :shock:

It gets my attention too. I'm thinking about starting a pool on how long until this is officially known as the sequel to the BRT.

[mhuber92211]

So let me understand correctly. Brewerfan is OK with giving up Fielder, Hardy, Hart & Gwyn for Peavy? WOWSERS!

 

I think that Hardy, Hart & Parra is WAY overboard for Peavy. Look at the Haren deal last offseason. The A's got talent but got more quantity than quality. If memory serves, they got 1 B+ prospect and several B-to C- players

 

There is no way that Peavy brings back a huge haul like Haren or Bedard. A deal for Pie, Marshall & Ceda would be more then fair.