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Pie/W.Castillo/Marshall/Theriot/Ascanio

 

Peavy/Greene

 

If there looking to fill a lot of needs this package might get us to the table.

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We probably can't do this without Soto... as Marmol + Samardzija + Vitters + Pie is probably only enough to get us to the table.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like Marshall, Castillo, Hoffpauir and their ilk as much as anybody else on this board... but those guys don't get to make up the bulk of a package for a player like Peavy. They're throw-ins at the back end of a deal.

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Regardless of what Olney says, I seriously doubt the Padres will trade their franchise pitcher to the rival/hated Dodgers for anything less then Kershaw/Kemp and/or Either. As for the Braves I don't know how they can afford him anyways? There'll just trade him in a yr or two and get less value then what they will part with (ie Tex part 2). These two early teams will fade from the race quickly, IMO, and I believe the race for Peavy will come down to the Angels/Cubs and Cards (sorry ElCaballo, I think the Brewers are more apt to target the Cain for Fielder trade then go after Peavy, which makes more sense for the Brewers).

 

But I think the Angels will eventually become the frontrunners for Peavy.

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Oh trust me, I don't expect the Brewers to get Peavy. I just get giddy like a little school girl anytime we are mentioned.

 

Understandble. Besides I don't want a fellow Alabamian playing for you guys.....No offense.

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Oh trust me, I don't expect the Brewers to get Peavy. I just get giddy like a little school girl anytime we are mentioned.

 

Understandble. Besides I don't want a fellow Alabamian playing for you guys.....No offense.

 

Cain's from Alabama too.

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Oh trust me, I don't expect the Brewers to get Peavy. I just get giddy like a little school girl anytime we are mentioned.

 

Understandble. Besides I don't want a fellow Alabamian playing for you guys.....No offense.

 

Cain's from Alabama too.

 

#-o :oops: (Sorry ElCaballo, you can't have Cain, just try and re-sign CC, or sign Lowe and we'll be cool 8-) )

 

Fine I see your Cain, and raise you a Rasmus and a Dave Veres..............wait a minute, can you forget I said Dave Veres............

 

To be fair tho, Cain did graduated from a HS in Tennessee, tho. (Not cool, Matt, not cool) :)

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as Marmol + Samardzija + Vitters + Pie is probably only enough to get us to the table.

 

 

Wait when did Peavy become Johan Santana on a Brawndo/HGH cocktail Good lord, If that's not going to get it done. No one else will be get him either. Short of the Red Sox.

 

But that's besides the point anyways. Shark is not being traded this offseason.

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im pretty sure i said peavy was better than or comparable to santana a long time ago.

 

I'm pretty sure you've said a lot of things that have turned out to be very wrong, but I don't understand what the point of mentioning one of them is.

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Rich Hill is sort of in the same spot Cliff Lee was though. I don't understand why every other team's losers have trade values but ours don't. Rich Hill is probably not much more sucky than Tom Gorzelanny.
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Would you give up Soto for Peavy? Say they wanted Soto, Pie, and Theriot for Peavy and Greene. Would you do that?

 

That's a deal that could get it done. I go back and forth on this one. There's an argument for both sides. The question boils down to Soto's long term and short term replacements. There's a possibility that Victor Martinez and Jarrod Saltalamacchia are available, but the trade away one part and replace the part with another trade type scenarios never actually happen unless you're Billy Beane. More than likely the short term replacement would come from the free agent pool and the long term replacement is unknown. I think Greg Zaun is a decent one year replacement, but he's only good for half the games caught. The other half would be preferably a righty hitting catcher.

 

It sure would be nice to have a second major league ready offensive catcher...you know like Matt Wieters or something!

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Regardless of what Olney says, I seriously doubt the Padres will trade their franchise pitcher to the rival/hated Dodgers for anything less then Kershaw/Kemp and/or Either. As for the Braves I don't know how they can afford him anyways? There'll just trade him in a yr or two and get less value then what they will part with (ie Tex part 2). These two early teams will fade from the race quickly, IMO, and I believe the race for Peavy will come down to the Angels/Cubs and Cards (sorry ElCaballo, I think the Brewers are more apt to target the Cain for Fielder trade then go after Peavy, which makes more sense for the Brewers).

 

But I think the Angels will eventually become the frontrunners for Peavy.

 

The Braves went into 2008 with a $100 million payroll. They over paid over $12Mil each for Hampton, Hudson, Smoltz, Chipper, and Teixeira (for the most part). Glavine and Kotsay were paid $15M combined. They will have $42Mil of that off the books completely as Glavine, Kotsay, Tex, and Hampton are going to be gone. Smoltz is a FA also and likely to come back at a pay cut. They will definitely be players for Peavy, and if they don't get him, I look for Lowe or Sheets to go there.

 

As for the Angels, seems to me they would put Teixeira and Lackey's extensions over going after Peavy. Then again, it's not like they couldn't afford him anyway as they have Anderson, KRod, and Garland not likely to be back. I'd imagine they might have to give away Brandon Wood and/or Ervin Santana, though.

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Would you give up Soto for Peavy? Say they wanted Soto, Pie, and Theriot for Peavy and Greene. Would you do that?

 

That's a deal that could get it done. I go back and forth on this one. There's an argument for both sides. The question boils down to Soto's long term and short term replacements. There's a possibility that Victor Martinez and Jarrod Saltalamacchia are available, but the trade away one part and replace the part with another trade type scenarios never actually happen unless you're Billy Beane. More than likely the short term replacement would come from the free agent pool and the long term replacement is unknown. I think Greg Zaun is a decent one year replacement, but he's only good for half the games caught. The other half would be preferably a righty hitting catcher.

 

It sure would be nice to have a second major league ready offensive catcher...you know like Matt Wieters or something!

 

Definitely an interesting deal worth thinking about. I still don't think I do it as I'm not high on VMart or Salty, and those are the best alternatives out there.

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ESPN Radio Sportscenter mentioned this story this morning, but the only team they specifically mentioned as a possibility was the Braves
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I would be totally against trading Soto for Peavy. A good young cheap catcher is more valuable than Peavy. I say keep Soto and the prospects and make a strong play for Lowe.
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as Marmol + Samardzija + Vitters + Pie is probably only enough to get us to the table.

 

 

Wait when did Peavy become Johan Santana on a Brawndo/HGH cocktail Good lord, If that's not going to get it done. No one else will be get him either. Short of the Red Sox.

 

But that's besides the point anyways. Shark is not being traded this offseason.

 

You do realize though that the Santana trade was basically a posting fee, the team who won then had to pay him market value. Thats most definitely not the case here. I also think you value all of those Cubs players too much.

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Peavy's mediocrity away from Petco two of the last three years worry me a little bit. I think exploring Cain might be a better fit, he's younger, may be just as good going forward, might have less of a player cost, isn't a big guaranteed contract to worry about fitting into the current financials, and the Giants' asking players might be a better fit than San Diego's.
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I would be totally against trading Soto for Peavy. A good young cheap catcher is more valuable than Peavy. I say keep Soto and the prospects and make a strong play for Lowe.

 

Soto will definitely provide a greater MORP minus salary spread than Peavy will over the next 5 years.

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Peavy's mediocrity away from Petco two of the last three years worry me a little bit. I think exploring Cain might be a better fit, he's younger, may be just as good going forward, might have less of a player cost, isn't a big guaranteed contract to worry about fitting into the current financials, and the Giants' asking players might be a better fit than San Diego's.

 

Yeah, I have no idea why his road numbers fluctuate like that. I definitely don't think he's a product of Petco, as he has proven over full seasons he can dominate on the road, but last year's numbers stand out.

 

I think the Braves seem like a great fit.

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2 mentions of the Cubs in MLBtraderumors:

 

Jacob Jackson at Athletics Nation predicts destinations for his top 12 free agents. My Top 50 will come out after the World Series. I disagree with a few of Jacob's picks - Derek Lowe and Jason Giambi re-signing and the Cubs signing Adam Dunn.

 

If you read the link, this blogger thinks the Cubs will offer an obscene amount of money to get Dunn.

 

According to Dan Graziano of the Newark Star-Ledger, the Yankees have had preliminary discussions with the Padres about Jake Peavy (hat tip to River Ave. Blues). Peavy was apparently a hot topic at the Yankees' organizational meetings. Peavy's agent hinted he might accept a trade to the Yankees, but he does prefer the NL.

 

Peavy's preferred cities are Atlanta, Chicago, Houston, Los Angeles, and St. Louis. Despite that, Graziano says the Mets have interest. The Padres are aggressively shopping Peavy, seeking two young pitchers and a near MLB-ready center fielder.

 

I would think the Cubs ought to be able to fill the requirement of "two young pitchers and a near MLB-ready CF." Pie and Marshall plus more young pitching seems to be what is being asked for.

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