Ned Yost Fired (Merged)

[Mugged By Fluffy]

Somewhere C.C'.s elbow is doing a happy dance.. :yahoo: :yahoo:

[Guest]

This is certainly disappointing.

[brinoch]

This is quite surprising, to say the least. Frankly, I'm shocked (and not in a Casablanca kind of way). I have no idea if Sveum would be a decent manager. This will definitely have the effect of shaking things up in the Milwaukee clubhouse. Given their torpor of late, I have to think it couldn't hurt. Besides, Yost was a moron.

[treebird]

joe sheehan has a nice article about how last night was a great example of how awful yost has been.

 

Yost elected to walk Howard to face Pat Burrell. This was... well, it strains my vocabulary to find the right word for it. Howard cannot hit left-handers, and would be a platoon player if performance mattered anywhere near as much as reputation does. Or if he had a competent manager. Howard is at .228/.313/.458 against lefties in his career, .212/.287/.410 this year. Howard. Can't. Hit. Lefties. Shouse, on the other hand, is in the major leagues for exactly one reason: lefties can't hit him, to the tune of .175/.192/.289 this year, and .211/.263/.325 for his career, which includes a bunch of years when he was barely a major leaguer. Manuel sending Howard up against Shouse was a continuation of a theme for the Phillies: not hitting for Howard when he has little chance of doing something good. He was giving Yost an out, and Yost gave it right back.

 

That set up Shouse versus Pat Burrell, which cried out for a right-handed reliever. After all, Shouse is a pure specialist (.307/.390/.455 vs. RHB career; .293/.371/.446 this year). The only way walking Howard even might make sense is if Yost were to bring in a righty to try and get a double play out of Burrell. Burrell doesn't have the big platoon splits he showed earlier in his career—he's a dangerous hitter against both kinds of hurlers—but leaving Shouse in to face him was asking for trouble.

 

Think about this for a second. Yost had a 481 OPS pitcher facing a 697 OPS hitter. He elected to issue an intentional walk in that situation to allow an 817 OPS pitcher to face a 905 OPS hitter with an additional runner on base. That's when you start looking around the roof of the stadium for snipers, because gunpoint is the only place where that kind of decision makes sense.

[Sammys Boombox]

What a weird time to fire a manager.

 

Not really. How many times to you hear about a manger being fired, and then the team goes on a nice little hot streak for the new manager? Thats exactly what the Brewers need right now.

 

Willie Randolph anybody?

 

What if 2 teams in the NL playoffs have different managers than they started with?

[David]

Hell, even the 02 team got hot for Kimm.

 

I don't really buy into it, but it is odd how that happens now and then.

[splintersag]

This is a good move for the Brewers, as it had to happen eventually. Now we'll see if the Brewers struggles of the past two weeks were due to Yost or the players.

 

I still think they're going to win the wild card, but we'll see. Hopefully Yost will get a job elsewhere in the NL.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I wonder if any of the Cubs helped him clean out his office after the game.

[Wilson A2000]

joe sheehan has a nice article about how last night was a great example of how awful yost has been.

 

Yost elected to walk Howard to face Pat Burrell. This was... well, it strains my vocabulary to find the right word for it. Howard cannot hit left-handers, and would be a platoon player if performance mattered anywhere near as much as reputation does. Or if he had a competent manager. Howard is at .228/.313/.458 against lefties in his career, .212/.287/.410 this year. Howard. Can't. Hit. Lefties. Shouse, on the other hand, is in the major leagues for exactly one reason: lefties can't hit him, to the tune of .175/.192/.289 this year, and .211/.263/.325 for his career, which includes a bunch of years when he was barely a major leaguer. Manuel sending Howard up against Shouse was a continuation of a theme for the Phillies: not hitting for Howard when he has little chance of doing something good. He was giving Yost an out, and Yost gave it right back.

 

That set up Shouse versus Pat Burrell, which cried out for a right-handed reliever. After all, Shouse is a pure specialist (.307/.390/.455 vs. RHB career; .293/.371/.446 this year). The only way walking Howard even might make sense is if Yost were to bring in a righty to try and get a double play out of Burrell. Burrell doesn't have the big platoon splits he showed earlier in his career—he's a dangerous hitter against both kinds of hurlers—but leaving Shouse in to face him was asking for trouble.

 

Think about this for a second. Yost had a 481 OPS pitcher facing a 697 OPS hitter. He elected to issue an intentional walk in that situation to allow an 817 OPS pitcher to face a 905 OPS hitter with an additional runner on base. That's when you start looking around the roof of the stadium for snipers, because gunpoint is the only place where that kind of decision makes sense.

 

What did Burrell do?

[UMFan83]

joe sheehan has a nice article about how last night was a great example of how awful yost has been.

 

Yost elected to walk Howard to face Pat Burrell. This was... well, it strains my vocabulary to find the right word for it. Howard cannot hit left-handers, and would be a platoon player if performance mattered anywhere near as much as reputation does. Or if he had a competent manager. Howard is at .228/.313/.458 against lefties in his career, .212/.287/.410 this year. Howard. Can't. Hit. Lefties. Shouse, on the other hand, is in the major leagues for exactly one reason: lefties can't hit him, to the tune of .175/.192/.289 this year, and .211/.263/.325 for his career, which includes a bunch of years when he was barely a major leaguer. Manuel sending Howard up against Shouse was a continuation of a theme for the Phillies: not hitting for Howard when he has little chance of doing something good. He was giving Yost an out, and Yost gave it right back.

 

That set up Shouse versus Pat Burrell, which cried out for a right-handed reliever. After all, Shouse is a pure specialist (.307/.390/.455 vs. RHB career; .293/.371/.446 this year). The only way walking Howard even might make sense is if Yost were to bring in a righty to try and get a double play out of Burrell. Burrell doesn't have the big platoon splits he showed earlier in his career—he's a dangerous hitter against both kinds of hurlers—but leaving Shouse in to face him was asking for trouble.

 

Think about this for a second. Yost had a 481 OPS pitcher facing a 697 OPS hitter. He elected to issue an intentional walk in that situation to allow an 817 OPS pitcher to face a 905 OPS hitter with an additional runner on base. That's when you start looking around the roof of the stadium for snipers, because gunpoint is the only place where that kind of decision makes sense.

 

What did Burrell do?

 

It doesn't matter, but he hit a go ahead single

[sweetpeteman]

joe sheehan has a nice article about how last night was a great example of how awful yost has been.

 

Yost elected to walk Howard to face Pat Burrell. This was... well, it strains my vocabulary to find the right word for it. Howard cannot hit left-handers, and would be a platoon player if performance mattered anywhere near as much as reputation does. Or if he had a competent manager. Howard is at .228/.313/.458 against lefties in his career, .212/.287/.410 this year. Howard. Can't. Hit. Lefties. Shouse, on the other hand, is in the major leagues for exactly one reason: lefties can't hit him, to the tune of .175/.192/.289 this year, and .211/.263/.325 for his career, which includes a bunch of years when he was barely a major leaguer. Manuel sending Howard up against Shouse was a continuation of a theme for the Phillies: not hitting for Howard when he has little chance of doing something good. He was giving Yost an out, and Yost gave it right back.

 

That set up Shouse versus Pat Burrell, which cried out for a right-handed reliever. After all, Shouse is a pure specialist (.307/.390/.455 vs. RHB career; .293/.371/.446 this year). The only way walking Howard even might make sense is if Yost were to bring in a righty to try and get a double play out of Burrell. Burrell doesn't have the big platoon splits he showed earlier in his career—he's a dangerous hitter against both kinds of hurlers—but leaving Shouse in to face him was asking for trouble.

 

Think about this for a second. Yost had a 481 OPS pitcher facing a 697 OPS hitter. He elected to issue an intentional walk in that situation to allow an 817 OPS pitcher to face a 905 OPS hitter with an additional runner on base. That's when you start looking around the roof of the stadium for snipers, because gunpoint is the only place where that kind of decision makes sense.

 

What did Burrell do?

 

 

Go ahead Single followed by a Victorino (S) Home run.

[kujay]

As I mentioned in the game thread, I'm shocked this didn't wait until the end of the season. But I guess the GM/owner (correctly) calculated that leaving him in there might blow their chance, and they are not going to have this team and this chance next year.

[Soul]

Holy crapola, I just saw this. This sucks for us! I don't know if I've ever seen a move like this in September for a team in the playoff race. Wow.

[TruffleShuffle]

What a weird time to fire a manager.

 

there's no wrong time to fire a manager as bad as ned yost.

[jersey cubs fan]

What a weird time to fire a manager.

 

there's no wrong time to fire a manager as bad as ned yost.

 

except for too late

[erik316wttn]

What a weird time to fire a manager.

 

there's no wrong time to fire a manager as bad as ned yost.

 

except for too late

 

Better late than never.

[TruffleShuffle]

joe sheehan has a nice article about how last night was a great example of how awful yost has been.

 

Yost elected to walk Howard to face Pat Burrell. This was... well, it strains my vocabulary to find the right word for it. Howard cannot hit left-handers, and would be a platoon player if performance mattered anywhere near as much as reputation does. Or if he had a competent manager. Howard is at .228/.313/.458 against lefties in his career, .212/.287/.410 this year. Howard. Can't. Hit. Lefties. Shouse, on the other hand, is in the major leagues for exactly one reason: lefties can't hit him, to the tune of .175/.192/.289 this year, and .211/.263/.325 for his career, which includes a bunch of years when he was barely a major leaguer. Manuel sending Howard up against Shouse was a continuation of a theme for the Phillies: not hitting for Howard when he has little chance of doing something good. He was giving Yost an out, and Yost gave it right back.

 

That set up Shouse versus Pat Burrell, which cried out for a right-handed reliever. After all, Shouse is a pure specialist (.307/.390/.455 vs. RHB career; .293/.371/.446 this year). The only way walking Howard even might make sense is if Yost were to bring in a righty to try and get a double play out of Burrell. Burrell doesn't have the big platoon splits he showed earlier in his career—he's a dangerous hitter against both kinds of hurlers—but leaving Shouse in to face him was asking for trouble.

 

Think about this for a second. Yost had a 481 OPS pitcher facing a 697 OPS hitter. He elected to issue an intentional walk in that situation to allow an 817 OPS pitcher to face a 905 OPS hitter with an additional runner on base. That's when you start looking around the roof of the stadium for snipers, because gunpoint is the only place where that kind of decision makes sense.

 

i had to read this a couple of times to make sure i wasn't missing something. i didn't think anyone, let alone a major league manager, could be stupid enough to IBB a lefty batter against a lefty specialist so that the lefty specialist can face a RH batter who hammers lefties.

[dew1679666265]

Dream scenario:

 

Walt Jocketty fires Dusty Baker.

 

Doug Melvin hires Dusty Baker.

 

Cardinals fire Tony La Russa.

 

Cardinals hire Ned Yost.

 

That's about the only thing I'd change to truly make it a dream scenario. :D

Actually, I'd like to see Yost go to Cincy to replace Dusty. Cincy's talent worries me more in the coming years than the Cardinals, so let's keep a bad manager there to ruin it.

 

This is an excellent suggestion. I hate the Cardinals more, but the Reds do have more young talent for Yost to corrupt.

[SouthSideRyan]

Dream scenario:

 

Walt Jocketty fires Dusty Baker.

 

Doug Melvin hires Dusty Baker.

 

Cardinals fire Tony La Russa.

 

Cardinals hire Ned Yost.

 

That's about the only thing I'd change to truly make it a dream scenario. :D

Actually, I'd like to see Yost go to Cincy to replace Dusty. Cincy's talent worries me more in the coming years than the Cardinals, so let's keep a bad manager there to ruin it.

 

This is an excellent suggestion. I hate the Cardinals more, but the Reds do have more young talent for Yost to corrupt.

 

Cincy's had a lot of "young talent" for the past 52 years and we're all supposed to be worried when they finally get it together. Every year. Since 1841.

[B]

What a weird time to fire a manager.

 

Not really. How many times to you hear about a manger being fired, and then the team goes on a nice little hot streak for the new manager? Thats exactly what the Brewers need right now.

 

Willie Randolph anybody?

 

What if 2 teams in the NL playoffs have different managers than they started with?

Willie Randolph didn't get fired with 12 games left in the season. Does anybody know what the latest in the season a manager has been fired is?

[CubinNY]

What a weird time to fire a manager.

 

Not really. How many times to you hear about a manger being fired, and then the team goes on a nice little hot streak for the new manager? Thats exactly what the Brewers need right now.

 

Willie Randolph anybody?

 

What if 2 teams in the NL playoffs have different managers than they started with?

Willie Randolph didn't get fired with 12 games left in the season. Does anybody know what the latest in the season a manager has been fired is?

It happens in hockey from time to time.

 

My guess is that the Brewers don't make the playoffs. I don't think they would have made it with Yost either though.

 

Yost probably cost them two consecutive playoff appearances. He's that bad. The article tree posted is SOP for Yost. It's hard to believe he's a Bobby Cox disciple.

[Wilson A2000]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3589405

 

"[Yost] didn't have all the answers for what is going on the last two weeks and I'm not sure I have all the answers," general manager Doug Melvin said during a news conference at a hotel in Chicago. "I'm not sure this is the right one, either."

 

Well there's a confident GM!

[chuckywang]

joe sheehan has a nice article about how last night was a great example of how awful yost has been.

 

Yost elected to walk Howard to face Pat Burrell. This was... well, it strains my vocabulary to find the right word for it. Howard cannot hit left-handers, and would be a platoon player if performance mattered anywhere near as much as reputation does. Or if he had a competent manager. Howard is at .228/.313/.458 against lefties in his career, .212/.287/.410 this year. Howard. Can't. Hit. Lefties. Shouse, on the other hand, is in the major leagues for exactly one reason: lefties can't hit him, to the tune of .175/.192/.289 this year, and .211/.263/.325 for his career, which includes a bunch of years when he was barely a major leaguer. Manuel sending Howard up against Shouse was a continuation of a theme for the Phillies: not hitting for Howard when he has little chance of doing something good. He was giving Yost an out, and Yost gave it right back.

 

That set up Shouse versus Pat Burrell, which cried out for a right-handed reliever. After all, Shouse is a pure specialist (.307/.390/.455 vs. RHB career; .293/.371/.446 this year). The only way walking Howard even might make sense is if Yost were to bring in a righty to try and get a double play out of Burrell. Burrell doesn't have the big platoon splits he showed earlier in his career—he's a dangerous hitter against both kinds of hurlers—but leaving Shouse in to face him was asking for trouble.

 

Think about this for a second. Yost had a 481 OPS pitcher facing a 697 OPS hitter. He elected to issue an intentional walk in that situation to allow an 817 OPS pitcher to face a 905 OPS hitter with an additional runner on base. That's when you start looking around the roof of the stadium for snipers, because gunpoint is the only place where that kind of decision makes sense.

 

What did Burrell do?

 

It doesn't matter, but he hit a go ahead single

 

Even if Shouse got Burrell to GIDP, it would still have been an incredibly dumb decision. You just don't play that matchup period.

[David]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3589405

 

"[Yost] didn't have all the answers for what is going on the last two weeks and I'm not sure I have all the answers," general manager Doug Melvin said during a news conference at a hotel in Chicago. "I'm not sure this is the right one, either."

 

Well there's a confident GM!

 

Word is the decision came down from ownership. I don't think Melvin wanted to do this.

[SouthSideRyan]

What a weird time to fire a manager.

 

Not really. How many times to you hear about a manger being fired, and then the team goes on a nice little hot streak for the new manager? Thats exactly what the Brewers need right now.

 

Willie Randolph anybody?

 

What if 2 teams in the NL playoffs have different managers than they started with?

Willie Randolph didn't get fired with 12 games left in the season. Does anybody know what the latest in the season a manager has been fired is?

 

Joe McCarthy got fired by the 1930 Cubs with 4 games left in the season and the team 2.5 games out of first. Cubs won their last 4 games under Rogers Hornsby but wound up 2 games out.