Time To Trade Marquis?

[CubsWin]

There are four days until the trading deadline. Are there teams out there desperate enough for starting pitching to take a chance on Marquis despite his 2nd half history? I don't see a lot of them out there. The Marlins and Phillies (even with the newly acquired Blanton) each have a weak back end of their rotations. Unless some team wants him for added depth or to fill in for an injury, the market seems pretty small.

 

Certainly the Cubs have the depth to replace him without getting another starter in return with Marshall, Gaudin and Samardzija currently on the 25-man roster and with Lieber on the DL. He shouldn't be counted on at this point, but Rich Hill is still out there as a possibility as well.

 

The question is can the Cubs get enough in return to justify the loss of Marquis as an one of many options for the stretch run. If all they can get is a marginal prospect, then is it worth it? The split finger that he has added has helped, but he is still about a league average pitcher with a terrible track record in the 2nd half.

 

Your thoughts?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

there's never a time to not trade Marquis. too bad it's been widely reported Hendry has shopped him for quite some time and found very little interest

[RedFlash]

there's never a time to not trade Marquis. too bad it's been widely reported Hendry has shopped him for quite some time and found very little interest

 

Three simple letters...........D----F-------A.

[TruffleShuffle]

there's never a time to not trade Marquis. too bad it's been widely reported Hendry has shopped him for quite some time and found very little interest

 

Three simple letters...........D----F-------A.

 

why? you're getting slightly below average performance for a guy who pitches every five days. that has some value. if he does his usual second-half nosedive then you pull him from the rotation, leave him off the playoff roster (that's going to happen anyway) and shop him in the offseason. if no interest, put him in the rotation next year until he turns into a pumpkin again.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we are to move him without a DFA, we'll have to wait for the offseason. By now, everyone knows that in the first half of the season, hes a sllid 5, maybe even 4 starter on some teams, but once that second half rolls around, he dive bombs. Yesterday seemed to be the beginning of that dive bomb. With that in mind, and the fact that next year is the last year of his contract, I could see someone showing some interest. I doubt we'll get anything of value in return adn it would just be for the sake of giving the spot to Marshall, Hill, or Shark.

[CUBZ99]

Marquis has some interesting splits this year. Away from Wrigley he has a very impressive 3.50 ERA and has given up only 46 hits in 54 innings. At Wrigley he has been terrible. Maybe some team will look at those numbers and be convinced that Marquis needs a change of scenery.

[Soul]

there's never a time to not trade Marquis. too bad it's been widely reported Hendry has shopped him for quite some time and found very little interest

 

Three simple letters...........D----F-------A.

 

why? you're getting slightly below average performance for a guy who pitches every five days. that has some value. if he does his usual second-half nosedive then you pull him from the rotation, leave him off the playoff roster (that's going to happen anyway) and shop him in the offseason. if no interest, put him in the rotation next year until he turns into a pumpkin again.

 

Let's do a 5th starter platoon with him like Yost.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I dislike Marquis as much as the next guy. Trading him makes sense because it frees the Cubs from the salary commitment for next season. DFAing him at this point does not. If we DFA him, we lose the depth he can provide if needed and we're still on the hook for the salary, allowing someone to get him for next season at the league minimum.

[BigbadB]

Isn't Marquis one of those types of guys who could still be traded up until August 31? Run him through waivers and give yourself an extra month to move him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Isn't Marquis one of those types of guys who could still be traded up until August 31? Run him through waivers and give yourself an extra month to move him.

 

That's a good thought. Put him on waivers. He'll clear, and if some one is silly enough to claim him, give them the Randy Myers treatment and let them have him, salary and all.

[SCCubbieFAN]

Isn't Marquis one of those types of guys who could still be traded up until August 31? Run him through waivers and give yourself an extra month to move him.

 

That's a good thought. Put him on waivers. He'll clear, and if some one is silly enough to claim him, give them the Randy Myers treatment and let them have him, salary and all.

 

is there anyway to find out if that has already been done (the putting him on waivers part)?

[Soul]

Isn't Marquis one of those types of guys who could still be traded up until August 31? Run him through waivers and give yourself an extra month to move him.

 

That's a good thought. Put him on waivers. He'll clear, and if some one is silly enough to claim him, give them the Randy Myers treatment and let them have him, salary and all.

 

is there anyway to find out if that has already been done (the putting him on waivers part)?

 

If he clears waivers do we still have to pay his contract as-is?

[jersey cubs fan]

Isn't Marquis one of those types of guys who could still be traded up until August 31? Run him through waivers and give yourself an extra month to move him.

 

That's a good thought. Put him on waivers. He'll clear, and if some one is silly enough to claim him, give them the Randy Myers treatment and let them have him, salary and all.

 

is there anyway to find out if that has already been done (the putting him on waivers part)?

 

If he clears waivers do we still have to pay his contract as-is?

 

yes

[CubsWin]

there's never a time to not trade Marquis. too bad it's been widely reported Hendry has shopped him for quite some time and found very little interest

 

Three simple letters...........D----F-------A.

 

why? you're getting slightly below average performance for a guy who pitches every five days. that has some value. if he does his usual second-half nosedive then you pull him from the rotation, leave him off the playoff roster (that's going to happen anyway) and shop him in the offseason. if no interest, put him in the rotation next year until he turns into a pumpkin again.

I agree that it doesn't make any sense to just cut him. A pitcher who is putting up an ERA around 4.50 has value. Getting rid of him for nothing just doesn't make any sense. If he continues his 2nd half slide again this year, then the Cubs have more than enough options to take his place. If he doesn't, then he has more trade value come the offseason.

 

But if you can get a prospect that has any kind of future for him, I'd jump at the chance. The Marlins have been struggling all season to find someone to be their 4th and 5th starters that have an ERA under 5.50. Now that they've brought up Josh Johnson, they might only be looking for a 5th starter, but Andrew Miller's knee is still hurting and Mark Hendrickson has just been terrible. Maybe there is a match in south florida.

[jersey cubs fan]

But if you can get a prospect that has any kind of future for him, I'd jump at the chance. The Marlins have been struggling all season to find someone to be their 4th and 5th starters that have an ERA under 5.50. Now that they've brought up Josh Johnson, they might only be looking for a 5th starter, but Andrew Miller's knee is still hurting and Mark Hendrickson has just been terrible. Maybe there is a match in south florida.

 

No need to hold out for a prospect. Getting his awful contract off the books would be more than enough value. His level of performance can be filled by guys making $400,000, and then you'd have money to apply to actual players of worth. The problem is they probably can't get anybody to bite on that contract.

[Jehrico]

Marquis has some interesting splits this year. Away from Wrigley he has a very impressive 3.50 ERA and has given up only 46 hits in 54 innings. At Wrigley he has been terrible. Maybe some team will look at those numbers and be convinced that Marquis needs a change of scenery.

That's because the home team fans when we're on the road cheer him because they're happy to see him on the mound against their team. He gets boo'd more at home.

[biittner77]

Isn't Marquis one of those types of guys who could still be traded up until August 31? Run him through waivers and give yourself an extra month to move him.

 

I was thinking the same thing. Worse pitchers than Jason Marquis have been traded in post deadline/ desparation deals (Jeff Fassero for example)

 

The Tigers seem like a good fit. It would be a low risk acquisition that could help stabilize their pitching to see if they really do have a chance this year. If he's terrible or they fall out the race anyway all it cost was money.

 

Marquis could also be useful to a rebuilding team like the Indians as an innings eater to protect their younger arms.

[jersey cubs fan]

Isn't Marquis one of those types of guys who could still be traded up until August 31? Run him through waivers and give yourself an extra month to move him.

 

I was thinking the same thing. Worse pitchers than Jason Marquis have been traded in post deadline/ desparation deals (Jeff Fassero for example)

The Tigers seem like a good fit. It would be a low risk acquisition that could help stabilize their pitching to see if they really do have a chance this year. If he's terrible or they fall out the race anyway all it cost was money.

 

Marquis could also be useful to a rebuilding team like the Indians as an innings eater to protect their younger arms.

 

Not many of those guys were owed $12m.

[JeffH]

Because of the money he's owed, Marquis has EXTREME negative value for every major league club except the Cubs.

 

For the Cubs, he has less negative value because the money is a sunk cost.

 

The negative value he has for the Cubs lies in the degree to which Lou pitches him instead of better options.

[BigbadB]

Because of the money he's owed, Marquis has EXTREME negative value for every major league club except the Cubs.

 

For the Cubs, he has less negative value because the money is a sunk cost.

 

The negative value he has for the Cubs lies in the degree to which Lou pitches him instead of better options.

 

As far as I know, you can include cash in post deadline waiver deals. If the Cubs picked up half of the remainder of his contract, they could probably get a halfway decent prospect in return and be out from under the obligation.

[CubColtPacer]

Because of the money he's owed, Marquis has EXTREME negative value for every major league club except the Cubs.

 

For the Cubs, he has less negative value because the money is a sunk cost.

 

The negative value he has for the Cubs lies in the degree to which Lou pitches him instead of better options.

 

As far as I know, you can include cash in post deadline waiver deals. If the Cubs picked up half of the remainder of his contract, they could probably get a halfway decent prospect in return and be out from under the obligation.

 

The Cubs would probably be better off keeping him picking up that much. Rotation crunches tend to dissipate rather quickly. I'm certainly not opposed to trading Marquis, but I wouldn't pick up over 3 million. And if the Cubs did pick up 3 million, he certainly will profile favorably in the offseason to the pitching market.

[CubsWin]

But if you can get a prospect that has any kind of future for him, I'd jump at the chance. The Marlins have been struggling all season to find someone to be their 4th and 5th starters that have an ERA under 5.50. Now that they've brought up Josh Johnson, they might only be looking for a 5th starter, but Andrew Miller's knee is still hurting and Mark Hendrickson has just been terrible. Maybe there is a match in south florida.

 

No need to hold out for a prospect. Getting his awful contract off the books would be more than enough value. His level of performance can be filled by guys making $400,000, and then you'd have money to apply to actual players of worth. The problem is they probably can't get anybody to bite on that contract.

If the Cubs are constricted by his contract, i.e. hurting for money, I will agree with you. But at the moment, they don't appear to be, and if you take financial concerns out of it, then the choice comes down to which would you rather have, the depth of having Marquis around and the chance (however slim it may be) that he might be the best performing starter out of Lieber, Gaudin, Samardzija and Hill or getting a prospect of a certain value.

 

Having him as an option amongst that group has enough value that, so long as money isn't an issue, it makes more sense to keep him than it would to just DFA him. However, because the Cubs have so much depth there Marquis would likely have even more value to a team that was lacking in starting pitching depth and still in the race. Unfortunately, there are only a few teams out there that fit that description.

[jersey cubs fan]

But if you can get a prospect that has any kind of future for him, I'd jump at the chance. The Marlins have been struggling all season to find someone to be their 4th and 5th starters that have an ERA under 5.50. Now that they've brought up Josh Johnson, they might only be looking for a 5th starter, but Andrew Miller's knee is still hurting and Mark Hendrickson has just been terrible. Maybe there is a match in south florida.

 

No need to hold out for a prospect. Getting his awful contract off the books would be more than enough value. His level of performance can be filled by guys making $400,000, and then you'd have money to apply to actual players of worth. The problem is they probably can't get anybody to bite on that contract.

If the Cubs are constricted by his contract, i.e. hurting for money, I will agree with you. But at the moment, they don't appear to be, and if you take financial concerns out of it, then the choice comes down to which would you rather have, the depth of having Marquis around and the chance (however slim it may be) that he might be the best performing starter out of Lieber, Gaudin, Samardzija and Hill or getting a prospect of a certain value.

 

Having him as an option amongst that group has enough value that, so long as money isn't an issue, it makes more sense to keep him than it would to just DFA him. However, because the Cubs have so much depth there Marquis would likely have even more value to a team that was lacking in starting pitching depth and still in the race. Unfortunately, there are only a few teams out there that fit that description.

 

I'm not talking about DFA. There's no value in DFA because they still owe the money. And it has nothing to do with hurting for money. It's about opening up $12m in payroll space. Marquis's value as depth is not near worth the $10m owed next year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Marquis isn't depth. Marquis is an average starting pitcher.

 

That has value to a ton of teams. Right now, that includes the Cubs, so I don't see much sense in trading him.

[GhostRunner]

Hasn't every team that Marquis' been on wound up going to the playoffs?

 

I say we should keep him as a lucky rabbit's foot at least until we clinch something. :P