Cubs Beat Sabathia (orattheveryleastgettothepen) 7-28 7pmCSN

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hart didnt come through in the 1st, Hardy and Braun in the 3rd. Hart being called out at 3rd when he was clearly safe sucked because Hall singled the next time. Fukudome's infield single when Weeks could of had him and then the Double Play ball he botched. Torres walking 3 guys in the 9th also sucked, so it was MORE then ONE inning, it was a good game and sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. It was a classic game tho.

 

So...the only other baserunners in the entire game that failed to score for the Brewers were "classic Brewer game"? They got 8 baserunners, and 4 scored, 3 on HRs.

 

Hart wasn't clearly safe, and it was mostly Lee's fault for not letting the ball through, because Fielder would've been out.

 

Torres was lucky to get out with only giving 2 runs up. Fukudome and Soto both K'd during AB where they swung at balls out of the zone.

 

The Cubs had 10 left on base, and left 6 of them in scoring position.

 

No team is going to convert every chance. The Cubs converted a lower % than the Brewers.

 

No, we didnt come through with runners in scoring position. We had huge errors and Hart WAS clearly safe. It was a good game, but if your going to be a tool about it and not even say it was and say something like "Well we should of won by more" which you should not of. I dont even want to talk to you.

 

To all good Cub fans, good game. 1 out of 162, but I wish we would of won.

 

Sorry to nitpick...but you've done it twice.

 

Do not use "of" with should or would. "Of" is a preposition; you need the helping verb "have."

 

Would have, should have, could have or if you prefer contractions would've, could've, should've....not would of, could of, or should of.

[ELCABALLO45]

Im done sitting here and arguing about this.

 

Im not going to convince you and your not going to convince me.

 

It was a classic game, and we both can agree on that.

[SouthSideRyan]

Good for him, his points make no sense at all however and I also disagree with him. That is all.

 

Cubs: 6 runs scored, 10 LOB: 6/16 = 37.5% efficiency

Brewers: 4 runs scored, 5 LOB: 4/9 = 44.4% efficiency

 

37.5% < 44.4%. Thus, the Cubs blew more chances than the Brewers, but still won.

 

Make sense now?

 

This is all I am trying to say.

 

You show up here with a backhanded compliment with the caveat that you think the Brewers beat themselves, because they somehow failed to convert 100% of their chances, as if that is somehow abnormal.

 

I respond by stating the Cubs really should've done more with the chances they had. Thus, the game shouldn't have been that close. Thankfully, they pulled it out anyway, but deserved the win.

 

It's not that hard, really.

 

Brewers...

 

1. Missed a run by calling Hart out at 3rd.

 

2. Weeks gives away 2 runs on a easy double play ball.

 

3. Torres walks 3 guys in the 9th.

 

4. We have Ned Yost as our manager and thats not fair.

 

5. Hall if he was in position would of gotten Cedeno out at 3rd.

 

6. Infield single by Fukudome that Weeks should of handled.

 

7. DeRosa infield single that Hall should of made a play on.

 

Yes, I belive the Brewers lost this game. We dont always have to agree. I dont agree with you. Get It?

 

You seem to have a problem with the lack of agreement.

 

And I re-watched the Hart double, I'm pretty sure Ramirez blocked the bag and got the tag down. Certainily not as much of a certainty as you k eep claiming it was.

[anabiono]

ok ok ok

 

this IS funny

 

so, everytime we beat the brewers...they beat themselves???

 

that is false dude

 

seriously, the only thing you can say in this situation is that you feel like they let one slip away because YOU believe they are the better team

 

what you are saying would be like me saying that the cubs beat themselves in the NLDS last year...i can't say that because the diamondbacks beat them...

 

now, do i think that the cubs were the better team during that series...yes...but they surely didn't lose it...the diamondbacks won and they deserve it...they absolutely did not win because it was handed to them by the cubs...

 

i don't mind that you think your team is better than my team, that is only natural, but my team beat your team tonight, the brewers didn't hand the cubs anything

[Wilson A2000]

I didn't mind Lee being sent home. While the Cubs were hitting Sabathia, you have to take chances against him because he has been pitching so well. Quade did get cold feet with Fontenot though.

 

Soriano looked quick stealing 3rd, but he looks terrible running in the outfield and to second base. Why is that?

Edited July 29, 2008 by Wilson A2000

[VanceJergins]

Im done sitting here and arguing about this.

 

Im not going to convince you and your not going to convince me.

 

It was a classic game, and we both can agree on that.

 

Your arguments are the kind of arguments that can be used for every game. If certain things had gone different in every game this season, the Cubs would be undefeated.

[bukie]

Im done sitting here and arguing about this.

 

Im not going to convince you and your not going to convince me.

 

It was a classic game, and we both can agree on that.

 

Your arguments are the kind of arguments that can be used for every game. If certain things had gone different in every game this season, the Cubs would be undefeated.

 

Yeah, that's the kind of argument that bothers me the most, the "If every bounce had gone our way we could've won, so we beat ourselves." I get on anyone here when they make an argument like that, and I'll get on anyone else that makes the argument for another team. The Cubs clearly outplayed the Brewers tonight, both teams made mistakes, and fortunately the Cubs gave themselves just enough chances to pull one out.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If my brother had a vagina, he could have been my sister.

[bukie]

Rewatched the highlights with Brewers announcers on MLB.com. If the Brewers announcers are saying "Man, they had Fielder out if Lee hadn't cut off that ball", they had Fielder out if Lee hadn't cut off that ball.

[ELCABALLO45]

Ok, Sorry if I sounded stupid. In my opinion it felt like the Brewers gave away to many chances in that game. Weeks HAS to make that play. The Cubs deserved to win the game however, and You have got to remember that I was probably talking from my ass after a hard loss. My bad. I hate my life

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Ok, Sorry if I sounded stupid. In my opinion it felt like the Brewers gave away to many chances in that game. Weeks HAS to make that play. The Cubs deserved to win the game however, and You have got to remember that I was probably talking from my ass after a hard loss. My bad. I hate my life

 

No offense, but almost anytime you lose a close game with numerous close plays, it feels that you gave away too many chances. Had the Brewers won, we would have felt the same thing about Lee cutting off the throw home, Quade sending Lee when he should have held him, and the numerous other plays where the Cubs gave away chances.

 

Both teams made mistakes. Both teams had some things go their way. The better team won tonight.

[anabiono]

Ok, Sorry if I sounded stupid. In my opinion it felt like the Brewers gave away to many chances in that game. Weeks HAS to make that play. The Cubs deserved to win the game however, and You have got to remember that I was probably talking from my ass after a hard loss. My bad. I hate my life

 

No offense, but almost anytime you lose a close game with numerous close plays, it feels that you gave away too many chances. Had the Brewers won, we would have felt the same thing about Lee cutting off the throw home, Quade sending Lee when he should have held him, and the numerous other plays where the Cubs gave away chances.

 

Both teams made mistakes. Both teams had some things go their way. The better team won tonight.

 

don't tempt the fates my man

 

:beg:

 

upon review of my post, i have also realized that my hypocrisy knows no bounds

 

:hello:

[ELCABALLO45]

Ok, Sorry if I sounded stupid. In my opinion it felt like the Brewers gave away to many chances in that game. Weeks HAS to make that play. The Cubs deserved to win the game however, and You have got to remember that I was probably talking from my ass after a hard loss. My bad. I hate my life

 

No offense, but almost anytime you lose a close game with numerous close plays, it feels that you gave away too many chances. Had the Brewers won, we would have felt the same thing about Lee cutting off the throw home, Quade sending Lee when he should have held him, and the numerous other plays where the Cubs gave away chances.

 

Both teams made mistakes. Both teams had some things go their way. The better team won tonight.

 

All im saying is it felt like we gave one away. Thats all im saying. Cub fans can feel how they want, but as a Brewer fan it felt like we could of won. But we didnt. The Cubs came through when it mattered TONIGHT. Just like when Milwaukee won in Chicago when Wood gave up 2 in the ninth and the Brewers came through. Its how the game goes. Im going to be pissed about this game tonight and hopefully Sheets can make me forget about it.

[Ball And Glove]

Nice game that lived up to the hype as far as excitement goes (unlike those Red Sox/Yankees games -- it seems like every one ends 9-2). Torres has been showing signs of wearing down lately, and I guess it just took a patient team like the Cubs to really expose it.

 

I have no idea why Yost brought Sabathia back out for the 7th inning after the Brewers took the lead and CC clearly didn't have his best stuff tonight. I guess Yost thinks Sabathia has to pitch through the 7th or 8th inning every game otherwise the trade is an utter failure. I would've been fine with giving Riske the entire 7th, considering he's been pitching better lately, but the Cubs' patient approach probably would've gotten to him, too.

 

I think so many Brewer fans are blaming the loss on Weeks' error because of just how far off line that throw was. It's one thing to not get the double play because of a great slide, it's another thing to throw the ball 10 feet offline and let that second run in, IMO.

 

The Cubs just seemed to come into the game more loose and relaxed than the Brewers did. The Cubs looked comfortable at the plate, while the Brewers were even less patient than usual. I think looking at Soriano's AB to lead off the game and comparing it to Weeks' AB to lead off the bottom of the 1st would be a good example -- Soriano got his pitch, drove it off the wall, and got himself into scoring position right away. Weeks looked silly swinging at two change-ups out of the zone, and eventually struck out looking at a pitch down the middle.

 

It's a tough loss for Brewer fans to swallow, since Torres was the one guy in that bullpen we thought we could count on, you know? It's like you guys watching Marmol cruise through the first part of the season, then completely implode in Tampa...just tough to watch. While the Brewers may have converted their chances at a higher percentage than the Cubs, I think the Cubs did a much better job of setting themselves up to score, and they drove up the pitch counts much more effectively than the Brewers did.

 

Game 2 should be just as fun. I still have hopes for a split, but I'm slowly starting to tell myself that a series loss wouldn't be the end of the world. That Dempster/Parra match-up Wednesday night is going to be a good one, too.

[TysonCBulls423]

I'm just suprised/delighted you guys are on this board at the moment...last place I would want to be after a Cubs loss is Brewerfan.

[Brian]

my thoughts/reactions to the game?

 

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[ELCABALLO45]

I'm just suprised/delighted you guys are on this board at the moment...last place I would want to be after a Cubs loss is Brewerfan.

 

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I hate losing... I hate losing to the Cubs. It was such a good game tho..

 

It went from

 

](*,) (Soriano)

to

=D> (Hardy Homer)

to

:stickman: (Braun)

to

:yahoo: (Hart)

to

:banghead: [-( :-k (Weeks error)

to

:clapping: (Branyan)

to

:| (Derrek Lee's go ahead double)

to

:x (DeRosa's infield single)

to

:o (Kendall walking)

to

 

:cry: :cray: :bye:

[Ski]

I love being a fan during intense games (such as today's) but I could do without all of the emotional intensity sometimes. That's why it's great to be neutral while watching a game (say, an AL game) that you have no stake in. The wild card playoff game last year comes to mind.

[RedFlash]

Wait...............there was a game tonight?

 

 

 

Didn't get home till 1 in the morning (coming back from Orlando) and instead of waiting for the highlights, I decided to become INSANE to read all 68 pages of this thread. This thread is the reason why I love this board. This board can go from cautiously optisimistic, to pessmistic, to crazy mad to heavenly happy in a matters of moments.

 

All I can say is this...........suck it ESPN and you overhyping theatrical performances of BoTox/Crankees hype. This game may have been the best game of the yr.

[Guest]

Ok, Sorry if I sounded stupid. In my opinion it felt like the Brewers gave away to many chances in that game. Weeks HAS to make that play. The Cubs deserved to win the game however, and You have got to remember that I was probably talking from my ass after a hard loss. My bad. I hate my life

 

No offense, but almost anytime you lose a close game with numerous close plays, it feels that you gave away too many chances. Had the Brewers won, we would have felt the same thing about Lee cutting off the throw home, Quade sending Lee when he should have held him, and the numerous other plays where the Cubs gave away chances.

 

Both teams made mistakes. Both teams had some things go their way. The better team won tonight.

 

Thing was, the Brewer mistakes have been right in line with what they're known for.

 

Bad defense? Check.

Bad relief pitching? Check.

Stupid manager? Check.

 

It's not as if these things haven't been plaguing them all year. If you're normally a one of the best fielding teams in the league and you make a couple errors that cost you the game, then you gave away the game. If you have a back end of the bullpen like Houston in 2003 (with Lidge, Dotel and Wagner) and they combine to give up a few runs, then you gave the game. But that's not who the Brewers are which is why I have a hard time believing that they gave this one away.

[UMFan83]

Brewers fans...I know Ball and Glove touched on it but I thought it was odd that Shouse didn't come in to face Ward in the 8th. When Ward came up and it was clear Riske was stayed in, I was thinking "if there's an opportunity to say 'Yosted' this is the time"

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brewers fans...I know Ball and Glove touched on it but I thought it was odd that Shouse didn't come in to face Ward in the 8th. When Ward came up and it was clear Riske was stayed in, I was thinking "if there's an opportunity to say 'Yosted' this is the time"

 

Yeah, especially with Kosuke on deck and no RH pinch hitters on the bench(we weren't going to use Blanco), I thought that was a pretty bad move on his part.

[jersey cubs fan]

Brewers fans...I know Ball and Glove touched on it but I thought it was odd that Shouse didn't come in to face Ward in the 8th. When Ward came up and it was clear Riske was stayed in, I was thinking "if there's an opportunity to say 'Yosted' this is the time"

 

Yeah, especially with Kosuke on deck and no RH pinch hitters on the bench(we weren't going to use Blanco), I thought that was a pretty bad move on his part.

 

It's not like Ward is a threat. He hasn't done much the past month, and he's done very little against RHP this year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Brewers fans...I know Ball and Glove touched on it but I thought it was odd that Shouse didn't come in to face Ward in the 8th. When Ward came up and it was clear Riske was stayed in, I was thinking "if there's an opportunity to say 'Yosted' this is the time"

 

Yeah, especially with Kosuke on deck and no RH pinch hitters on the bench(we weren't going to use Blanco), I thought that was a pretty bad move on his part.

 

It's not like Ward is a threat. He hasn't done much the past month, and he's done very little against RHP this year.

 

Riske has a huge platoon split though(.614 OPS against RH, .856 against LH). Ward hasn't killed RHP this year, but his .790 OPS isn't exactly struggling against them either.

[TysonCBulls423]

Gagne faced Ward, not Riske.