Cubs Beat Sabathia (orattheveryleastgettothepen) 7-28 7pmCSN

[ELCABALLO45]

Hart didnt come through in the 1st, Hardy and Braun in the 3rd. Hart being called out at 3rd when he was clearly safe sucked because Hall singled the next time. Fukudome's infield single when Weeks could of had him and then the Double Play ball he botched. Torres walking 3 guys in the 9th also sucked, so it was MORE then ONE inning, it was a good game and sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. It was a classic game tho.

 

So...the only other baserunners in the entire game that failed to score for the Brewers were "classic Brewer game"? They got 8 baserunners, and 4 scored, 3 on HRs.

 

Hart wasn't clearly safe, and it was mostly Lee's fault for not letting the ball through, because Fielder would've been out.

 

Torres was lucky to get out with only giving 2 runs up. Fukudome and Soto both K'd during AB where they swung at balls out of the zone.

 

The Cubs had 10 left on base, and left 6 of them in scoring position.

 

No team is going to convert every chance. The Cubs converted a lower % than the Brewers.

 

No, we didnt come through with runners in scoring position. We had huge errors and Hart WAS clearly safe. It was a good game, but if your going to be a tool about it and not even say it was and say something like "Well we should of won by more" which you should not of. I dont even want to talk to you.

 

To all good Cub fans, good game. 1 out of 162, but I wish we would of won.

 

You are a classy fan. I'm glad you're on this board.

 

Thanks. To bad their has to be bad fans for both teams.

 

I wish we won, but I dont know how many more games like this I can handle.

[BCVM22]

I dont know how many more games like this I can handle.

 

Do we seriously have 3 more of these this week? http://75.125.185.66/forums/images/smilies/aah.gif

[TysonCBulls423]

Hart didnt come through in the 1st, Hardy and Braun in the 3rd. Hart being called out at 3rd when he was clearly safe sucked because Hall singled the next time. Fukudome's infield single when Weeks could of had him and then the Double Play ball he botched. Torres walking 3 guys in the 9th also sucked, so it was MORE then ONE inning, it was a good game and sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. It was a classic game tho.

 

So...the only other baserunners in the entire game that failed to score for the Brewers were "classic Brewer game"? They got 8 baserunners, and 4 scored, 3 on HRs.

 

Hart wasn't clearly safe, and it was mostly Lee's fault for not letting the ball through, because Fielder would've been out.

 

Torres was lucky to get out with only giving 2 runs up. Fukudome and Soto both K'd during AB where they swung at balls out of the zone.

 

The Cubs had 10 left on base, and left 6 of them in scoring position.

 

No team is going to convert every chance. The Cubs converted a lower % than the Brewers.

 

No, we didnt come through with runners in scoring position. We had huge errors and Hart WAS clearly safe. It was a good game, but if your going to be a tool about it and not even say it was and say something like "Well we should of won by more" which you should not of. I dont even want to talk to you.

 

To all good Cub fans, good game. 1 out of 162, but I wish we would of won.

 

You are a classy fan. I'm glad you're on this board.

 

Thanks. To bad their has to be bad fans for both teams.

 

I wish we won, but I dont know how many more games like this I can handle.

 

You're good on this board, no doubt. But you say some of the funniest things over on Brewerfan. Soriano 3 good weeks a year? Come on. :lol:

[ELCABALLO45]

I dont know how many more games like this I can handle.

 

Do we seriously have 3 more of these this week? http://75.125.185.66/forums/images/smilies/aah.gif

 

Im going to have a heart attack by wednesday

[ELCABALLO45]

Hart didnt come through in the 1st, Hardy and Braun in the 3rd. Hart being called out at 3rd when he was clearly safe sucked because Hall singled the next time. Fukudome's infield single when Weeks could of had him and then the Double Play ball he botched. Torres walking 3 guys in the 9th also sucked, so it was MORE then ONE inning, it was a good game and sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. It was a classic game tho.

 

So...the only other baserunners in the entire game that failed to score for the Brewers were "classic Brewer game"? They got 8 baserunners, and 4 scored, 3 on HRs.

 

Hart wasn't clearly safe, and it was mostly Lee's fault for not letting the ball through, because Fielder would've been out.

 

Torres was lucky to get out with only giving 2 runs up. Fukudome and Soto both K'd during AB where they swung at balls out of the zone.

 

The Cubs had 10 left on base, and left 6 of them in scoring position.

 

No team is going to convert every chance. The Cubs converted a lower % than the Brewers.

 

No, we didnt come through with runners in scoring position. We had huge errors and Hart WAS clearly safe. It was a good game, but if your going to be a tool about it and not even say it was and say something like "Well we should of won by more" which you should not of. I dont even want to talk to you.

 

To all good Cub fans, good game. 1 out of 162, but I wish we would of won.

 

You are a classy fan. I'm glad you're on this board.

 

Thanks. To bad their has to be bad fans for both teams.

 

I wish we won, but I dont know how many more games like this I can handle.

 

You're good on this board, no doubt. But you say some of the funniest things over on Brewerfan. Soriano 3 good weeks a year? Come on. :lol:

 

Obviously im being sarcastic. But that means.. He gets really really hot for some time, and then gets cold. I just wish this was not one of those weeks were he gets hot

[VanceJergins]

Hart didnt come through in the 1st, Hardy and Braun in the 3rd. Hart being called out at 3rd when he was clearly safe sucked because Hall singled the next time. Fukudome's infield single when Weeks could of had him and then the Double Play ball he botched. Torres walking 3 guys in the 9th also sucked, so it was MORE then ONE inning, it was a good game and sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. It was a classic game tho.

 

So...the only other baserunners in the entire game that failed to score for the Brewers were "classic Brewer game"? They got 8 baserunners, and 4 scored, 3 on HRs.

 

Hart wasn't clearly safe, and it was mostly Lee's fault for not letting the ball through, because Fielder would've been out.

 

Torres was lucky to get out with only giving 2 runs up. Fukudome and Soto both K'd during AB where they swung at balls out of the zone.

 

The Cubs had 10 left on base, and left 6 of them in scoring position.

 

No team is going to convert every chance. The Cubs converted a lower % than the Brewers.

 

No, we didnt come through with runners in scoring position. We had huge errors and Hart WAS clearly safe. It was a good game, but if your going to be a tool about it and not even say it was and say something like "Well we should of won by more" which you should not of. I dont even want to talk to you.

 

To all good Cub fans, good game. 1 out of 162, but I wish we would of won.

 

Then don't go to a Cubs message board.

[bukie]

It was a good game. But it was one that the Cubs clearly deserved to win and earned. It was also one I wouldn't have been surprised had they blown.

[Guest]

Hart didnt come through in the 1st, Hardy and Braun in the 3rd. Hart being called out at 3rd when he was clearly safe sucked because Hall singled the next time. Fukudome's infield single when Weeks could of had him and then the Double Play ball he botched. Torres walking 3 guys in the 9th also sucked, so it was MORE then ONE inning, it was a good game and sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. It was a classic game tho.

 

So...the only other baserunners in the entire game that failed to score for the Brewers were "classic Brewer game"? They got 8 baserunners, and 4 scored, 3 on HRs.

 

Hart wasn't clearly safe, and it was mostly Lee's fault for not letting the ball through, because Fielder would've been out.

 

Torres was lucky to get out with only giving 2 runs up. Fukudome and Soto both K'd during AB where they swung at balls out of the zone.

 

The Cubs had 10 left on base, and left 6 of them in scoring position.

 

No team is going to convert every chance. The Cubs converted a lower % than the Brewers.

 

No, we didnt come through with runners in scoring position. We had huge errors and Hart WAS clearly safe. It was a good game, but if your going to be a tool about it and not even say it was and say something like "Well we should of won by more" which you should not of. I dont even want to talk to you.

 

To all good Cub fans, good game. 1 out of 162, but I wish we would of won.

 

I find it amusing you don't think bukie is a good Cubs fan. He's one of the most rational posters here.

[ELCABALLO45]

Hart didnt come through in the 1st, Hardy and Braun in the 3rd. Hart being called out at 3rd when he was clearly safe sucked because Hall singled the next time. Fukudome's infield single when Weeks could of had him and then the Double Play ball he botched. Torres walking 3 guys in the 9th also sucked, so it was MORE then ONE inning, it was a good game and sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. It was a classic game tho.

 

So...the only other baserunners in the entire game that failed to score for the Brewers were "classic Brewer game"? They got 8 baserunners, and 4 scored, 3 on HRs.

 

Hart wasn't clearly safe, and it was mostly Lee's fault for not letting the ball through, because Fielder would've been out.

 

Torres was lucky to get out with only giving 2 runs up. Fukudome and Soto both K'd during AB where they swung at balls out of the zone.

 

The Cubs had 10 left on base, and left 6 of them in scoring position.

 

No team is going to convert every chance. The Cubs converted a lower % than the Brewers.

 

No, we didnt come through with runners in scoring position. We had huge errors and Hart WAS clearly safe. It was a good game, but if your going to be a tool about it and not even say it was and say something like "Well we should of won by more" which you should not of. I dont even want to talk to you.

 

To all good Cub fans, good game. 1 out of 162, but I wish we would of won.

 

I find it amusing you don't think bukie is a good Cubs fan. He's one of the most rational posters here.

 

Good for him, his points make no sense at all however and I also disagree with him. That is all.

[erik316wttn]

I dont know how many more games like this I can handle.

 

Do we seriously have 3 more of these this week? http://75.125.185.66/forums/images/smilies/aah.gif

 

Im going to have a heart attack by wednesday

 

I'm already worn out!

[bukie]

Good for him, his points make no sense at all however and I also disagree with him. That is all.

 

Cubs: 6 runs scored, 10 LOB: 6/16 = 37.5% efficiency

Brewers: 4 runs scored, 5 LOB: 4/9 = 44.4% efficiency

 

37.5% < 44.4%. Thus, the Cubs blew more chances than the Brewers, but still won.

 

Make sense now?

 

This is all I am trying to say.

 

You show up here with a backhanded compliment with the caveat that you think the Brewers beat themselves, because they somehow failed to convert 100% of their chances, as if that is somehow abnormal.

 

I respond by stating the Cubs really should've done more with the chances they had. Thus, the game shouldn't have been that close. Thankfully, they pulled it out anyway, but deserved the win.

 

It's not that hard, really.

[Andy]

With Z, Dempster and Harden finishing this out, I'm really hopeful for 3 out of 4. If Z can outduel Sheets tomorrow I'll have brooms on the brain.

 

This was a huge win. Big walks drawn by Mike Fontenot (when was the last time he did something negative??) and Reed Johnson (setting up his DP breakup) were really the ABs of the game. Those were also two walks that probably wouldn't have been walks on any other recent Cubs team.

[Guest]

Hart didnt come through in the 1st, Hardy and Braun in the 3rd. Hart being called out at 3rd when he was clearly safe sucked because Hall singled the next time. Fukudome's infield single when Weeks could of had him and then the Double Play ball he botched. Torres walking 3 guys in the 9th also sucked, so it was MORE then ONE inning, it was a good game and sometimes the ball doesnt bounce your way. It was a classic game tho.

 

So...the only other baserunners in the entire game that failed to score for the Brewers were "classic Brewer game"? They got 8 baserunners, and 4 scored, 3 on HRs.

 

Hart wasn't clearly safe, and it was mostly Lee's fault for not letting the ball through, because Fielder would've been out.

 

Torres was lucky to get out with only giving 2 runs up. Fukudome and Soto both K'd during AB where they swung at balls out of the zone.

 

The Cubs had 10 left on base, and left 6 of them in scoring position.

 

No team is going to convert every chance. The Cubs converted a lower % than the Brewers.

 

No, we didnt come through with runners in scoring position. We had huge errors and Hart WAS clearly safe. It was a good game, but if your going to be a tool about it and not even say it was and say something like "Well we should of won by more" which you should not of. I dont even want to talk to you.

 

To all good Cub fans, good game. 1 out of 162, but I wish we would of won.

 

I find it amusing you don't think bukie is a good Cubs fan. He's one of the most rational posters here.

 

Good for him, his points make no sense at all however and I also disagree with him. That is all.

 

His point make quite a bit of sense, actually.

[ELCABALLO45]

Good for him, his points make no sense at all however and I also disagree with him. That is all.

 

Cubs: 6 runs scored, 10 LOB: 6/16 = 37.5% efficiency

Brewers: 4 runs scored, 5 LOB: 4/9 = 44.4% efficiency

 

37.5% < 44.4%. Thus, the Cubs blew more chances than the Brewers, but still won.

 

Make sense now?

 

This is all I am trying to say.

 

You show up here with a backhanded compliment with the caveat that you think the Brewers beat themselves, because they somehow failed to convert 100% of their chances, as if that is somehow abnormal.

 

I respond by stating the Cubs really should've done more with the chances they had. Thus, the game shouldn't have been that close. Thankfully, they pulled it out anyway, but deserved the win.

 

It's not that hard, really.

 

Brewers...

 

1. Missed a run by calling Hart out at 3rd.

 

2. Weeks gives away 2 runs on a easy double play ball.

 

3. Torres walks 3 guys in the 9th.

 

4. We have Ned Yost as our manager and thats not fair.

 

5. Hall if he was in position would of gotten Cedeno out at 3rd.

 

6. Infield single by Fukudome that Weeks should of handled.

 

7. DeRosa infield single that Hall should of made a play on.

 

Yes, I belive the Brewers lost this game. We dont always have to agree. I dont agree with you. Get It?

[sneakypower]

the Brewers have absolutely zero situational hitting and aren't much for playing good defense either

 

but they do have a ton of talent for hitting the ball hard

[Andy]

To be fair to El Caballo I'm pretty sure we'd all be talking about how the Cubs lost this one if the roles were reversed.

[Wilson A2000]

The Weeks DP miss was not easy at all. He had to dive for that one. The DP error that Lee almost hit into could go either way. He could have gotten a hit, or hit into a DP. Johnson made a great slide - tell your 2B not to stand directly in front of the bag when another player is barreling down on you. The call on Hardy was inconclusive from every angle that I saw it on. If the Brewers are the better team, they should capitalize on those calls/plays. All that "if...." type of excuse-making is embarrassing. Edited July 29, 2008 by Wilson A2000

[ELCABALLO45]

The Weeks DP miss was not easy at all. He had to dive for that one. The DP error that Lee almost hit into could go either way. He could have gotten a hit, or hit into a DP. The call on Hardy was inconclusive from every angle that I saw it on.

 

The Weeks DP was as easy as it gets, Yes Johnson was coming down on him but he still had time to make the throw and he threw it to Green Bay.

[CubInOK]

Good for him, his points make no sense at all however and I also disagree with him. That is all.

 

Cubs: 6 runs scored, 10 LOB: 6/16 = 37.5% efficiency

Brewers: 4 runs scored, 5 LOB: 4/9 = 44.4% efficiency

 

37.5% < 44.4%. Thus, the Cubs blew more chances than the Brewers, but still won.

 

Make sense now?

 

This is all I am trying to say.

 

You show up here with a backhanded compliment with the caveat that you think the Brewers beat themselves, because they somehow failed to convert 100% of their chances, as if that is somehow abnormal.

 

I respond by stating the Cubs really should've done more with the chances they had. Thus, the game shouldn't have been that close. Thankfully, they pulled it out anyway, but deserved the win.

 

It's not that hard, really.

 

Brewers...

 

1. Missed a run by calling Hart out at 3rd.

 

2. Weeks gives away 2 runs on a easy double play ball.

 

3. Torres walks 3 guys in the 9th.

 

4. We have Ned Yost as our manager and thats not fair.

 

5. Hall if he was in position would of gotten Cedeno out at 3rd.

 

6. Infield single by Fukudome that Weeks should of handled.

 

7. DeRosa infield single that Hall should of made a play on.

 

Yes, I belive the Brewers lost this game. We dont always have to agree. I dont agree with you. Get It?

Well at least you realize that this costs you games.

[TysonCBulls423]

Caballo, same things can be said for the Cubs.

 

1.) Quade sending Lee...why?

2.) Fielder makes the greatest play of his life which stopped 2 runs from scoring.

3.) Lee cuts off ball that could have CLEARLY gotten Fielder at home. (see what I did right there)

4.) Leaving Bob Howry in to face Branyan. A guy who only throws fastballs against a guy who only hits fastballs....geee? Who woulda thunk it?

5.) Fontenot not scoring on the 2B where he would have been CLEARLY safe...changes whole inning, am I right?

 

Fact is...all of these comments are ridiculous. Brewers didn't beat themselves.

Edited July 29, 2008 by TysonCBulls423

[ELCABALLO45]

To be fair to El Caballo I'm pretty sure we'd all be talking about how the Cubs lost this one if the roles were reversed.

 

Thank You, and I would also think something else. Cub fans are not viewing the game the same as Brewer Fans, and the same thing the other way.

[Wilson A2000]

The Weeks DP miss was not easy at all. He had to dive for that one. The DP error that Lee almost hit into could go either way. He could have gotten a hit, or hit into a DP. The call on Hardy was inconclusive from every angle that I saw it on.

 

The Weeks DP was as easy as it gets, Yes Johnson was coming down on him but he still had time to make the throw and he threw it to Green Bay.

 

It was not as easy as it gets and you just admitted it. It could have been easier if Weeks wouldn't have taken the throw right in front of the bag or if the ball was hit harder or if Johnson doesn't take him out. It was a good play by Johnson and his hard work resulted in two runs. The time issue had nothing to do with it. If he waited to throw, the throw would have been harder because Weeks would have been on the ground. But why is Weeks even playing?

[bukie]

Brewers...

 

1. Missed a run by calling Hart out at 3rd.

- Hart was arguably out. Fielder may also have been out at home had Lee just let the throw go through.

 

2. Weeks gives away 2 runs on a easy double play ball.

- Broken up by a good slide from Reed Johnson. Even if the throw is good, the play at first is close.

 

 

3. Torres walks 3 guys in the 9th.

- One intentionally. Fukudome and Soto also could've walked had they not swung at crap out of the zone. Goes both ways. Torres was fortunate the inning didn't end worse.

 

4. We have Ned Yost as our manager and thats not fair.

- Have you seen Mike Quade? He sent Lee on a line drive single right at a shallow, hard-charging Cameron when he fielded the ball before Lee touched third. Lee is no Vince Coleman. Then, in the 9th, Fontenot has already rounded third before Kapler gets it, Soriano is waving him home, and Quade puts on the brakes. Lou and Rothschild basically delivered a HR to Branyan on a silver platter. Although, yes, you do have Ned Yost.

 

5. Hall if he was in position would of gotten Cedeno out at 3rd.

- Hall was right there, but the throw was high.

 

6. Infield single by Fukudome that Weeks should of handled.

- It took a diving stop just to get a little glove on it. It was knuckling away from him as he moved towards it, as it went right off the end of Fukudome's bat. Only the best two or three fielding 2Bs in the NL get to that, and a top fielding 2B Weeks ain't.

 

7. DeRosa infield single that Hall should of made a play on.

- Hall was playing on the line, as he should have been, to prevent a double. No 3B in the league makes a play on that ball. It just happened to be a weak grounder to the perfect spot.

 

Yes, I belive the Brewers lost this game. We dont always have to agree. I dont agree with you. Get It?

Yes, I agree that you don't want to believe the Cubs actually won this game fair and square, and the brewer fans over on brewerfan, along with the brewer announcers have clouded your perspective greatly. The only really game-breaking play was the Weeks throw, and that was at least somewhat induced by Johnson's slide.

[ELCABALLO45]

Caballo, same things can be said for the Cubs.

 

1.) Quade stops Lee at 3rd

2.) Fielder makes the greatest play of his life which stopped 2 runs from scoring.

3.) Lee cuts off ball that could have CLEARLY gotten Fielder at home. (see what I did right there)

4.) Leaving Bob Howry in to face Branyan. A guy who only throws fastballs against a guy who only hits fastballs....geee? Who woulda thunk it?

5.) Fontenot not scoring on the 2B where he would have been CLEARLY safe...changes whole inning, am I right?

 

Fact is...all of these comments are ridiculous. Brewers didn't beat themselves.

 

ok see your really pushing your argument tho, I COULD say.. Branyan should be playing over Hall and Durham should be starting over Weeks and we would of won by 3. It doesnt work that way. The Brewers beat themselves, but the Cubs won.. Its how the game goes. I never said the Cubs didnt deserve to win.

[VanceJergins]

 

Brewers...

 

1. Missed a run by calling Hart out at 3rd.

 

2. Weeks gives away 2 runs on a easy double play ball.

 

3. Torres walks 3 guys in the 9th.

 

4. We have Ned Yost as our manager and thats not fair.

 

5. Hall if he was in position would of gotten Cedeno out at 3rd.

 

6. Infield single by Fukudome that Weeks should of handled.

 

7. DeRosa infield single that Hall should of made a play on.

 

Yes, I belive the Brewers lost this game. We dont always have to agree. I dont agree with you. Get It?

 

Basically what you're saying is that the Brewers lost because of their weaknesses. The Brewers play bad defense, have a bad bullpen, and a bad manager. Of course your weaknesses are going to cost you games.