The Chicago Bears Preseason Thread

[dew1679666265]

Bears need to call Terry Glenn.

 

No they don't.

 

I don't see how Glenn isn't done at this point. I'll be shocked if he ever plays significant time again.

[Brendan]

hester and the bears reached a 4-year agreement. no details as of yet.

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080727-devin-hester-chicago-bears-contract,1,3720532.story

 

sorry if already been posted.

[Jon]

Well that didn't take that long.

[Brendan]

hester and the bears reached a 4-year agreement. no details as of yet.

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-080727-devin-hester-chicago-bears-contract,1,3720532.story

 

sorry if already been posted.

 

espn is saying

The four-year deal is worth at least $30 million, of which $15 million is guaranteed. But according to a source, it also includes a $10 million roster bonus in the final year if Hester reaches performance levels of a No. 1 receiver over the course of the contract. The bonus "de-escalates" to account for performance below the level of a No. 1 receiver.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3507118

[Wilson A2000]

If Hester can return like he has been and can be a good #1 receiver, that contract isn't bad. I am surprised he took such an incentive loaded deal, but he still is going to make good money.

[Soul]

If Hester can return like he has been and can be a good #1 receiver, that contract isn't bad. I am surprised he took such an incentive loaded deal, but he still is going to make good money.

 

If Hester can become a solid #1 WR in addition to being the best return man in history, then we're talking about a hall of fame type player and that contract is fantastic.

[Soul]

...with still no contract worked out.

 

 

 

Team player. Good for him. Bears should re-do that deal, I think they will in fairly short order. If anyone has outplayed his rookie contract, it's Hester.

 

My guess is Angelo told the agent to tell Devin, "Remember when Urlacher showed up to OTA and then they signed him?" They probably refused to sign him while he was holding out, and told him, show up, and then we'll sign.

 

That could be true. At any rate, I'm listening to alot of silly hand-wringing on the radio this morning about how this is "typical Bears" and they should have "given Hester his money long ago."

 

Honestly, do most Bear fans feel this way? Looking at the picture, I really don't see how the Bears have botched their negotiations this offseason. I think they've actually done a pretty good job. Hester's a player under contract -- he has asked for more money. The Bears have agreed to negotiate a new contract. What else can reasonably be expected here?

 

I had to defend the Bears at work this week. Everybody thought the Bears were stupid because Hester wasn't signed long-term yet. I got all the "he's their only way of scoring points". People don't realize that Hester has only played 2 years. He hasn't been a factor on anything but special teams until last year when the season when the season was no longer in doubt. I think it is more to Hester's benefit to be in camp than it is to the Bears. Hester wants to be paid like a #1 WR. Yeah, the Bears want him in that role, but if he isn't it's not like they don't have other options. I defended the Bears and told everyone that a 455K/year player wouldn't hold out for long at 15K/day.

 

What other options do the Bears have? There's a mix of young guys, a special teams superduperstar, and middling veterans. Whatever good options the Bears have is directly a result of the NFL's salary cap structure and nothing they've done. It's not like they have a quarterback who is going to disguise weaknesses in the WR corps either.

 

The point is, it's still the offseason and the Bears never, ever so much as hinted at the idea that they wouldn't work with Hester.

 

Complaining about the order that players are negotiated with during the offseason is pointless and silly. The deal got done, the Bears said they would work him. End of story. Whether it got done in June or late July is largely immaterial. It cost Hester a couple days of TC, and he was at all OTCs. Big deal -- not worth all the energy people are putting into bitching about it.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

If Hester can return like he has been and can be a good #1 receiver, that contract isn't bad. I am surprised he took such an incentive loaded deal, but he still is going to make good money.

 

If Hester can become a solid #1 WR in addition to being the best return man in history, then we're talking about a hall of fame type player and that contract is fantastic.

 

well... he is probably a hall of fame type player now, but I get what you are saying..

 

question: this is a 4 year extension, on top of the 2 years that is left correct? so he is technically playing on a 6 year 30 million dollar deal with 15 mil in guar. money...?

[Soul]

If Hester can return like he has been and can be a good #1 receiver, that contract isn't bad. I am surprised he took such an incentive loaded deal, but he still is going to make good money.

 

If Hester can become a solid #1 WR in addition to being the best return man in history, then we're talking about a hall of fame type player and that contract is fantastic.

 

well... he is probably a hall of fame type player now, but I get what you are saying..

 

question: this is a 4 year extension, on top of the 2 years that is left correct? so he is technically playing on a 6 year 30 million dollar deal with 15 mil in guar. money...?

 

Yeah, the extension is through 2013, so we're going to be seeing a lot of Devin for Seven in the coming years.

 

I was listening to McKie on the radio last night, and he was saying people really have no idea how much Hester has progressed this offseason -- that he knows way more than he did last year, he's going to be in on a ton more plays and knows most of the offense now. I hope he's right.

[RedFlash]

 

Yeah, the extension is through 2013, so we're going to be seeing a lot of Devin for Seven in the coming years.

 

I was listening to McKie on the radio last night, and he was saying people really have no idea how much Hester has progressed this offseason -- that he knows way more than he did last year, he's going to be in on a ton more plays and knows most of the offense now. I hope he's right.

 

I'm tired of propaganda. Under his last contract, the Bears and the us fans could be patient with Hester developing into a NFL WR. But given the new contract there is no patience. He must developed.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Yeah, the extension is through 2013, so we're going to be seeing a lot of Devin for Seven in the coming years.

 

I was listening to McKie on the radio last night, and he was saying people really have no idea how much Hester has progressed this offseason -- that he knows way more than he did last year, he's going to be in on a ton more plays and knows most of the offense now. I hope he's right.

 

I'm tired of propaganda. Under his last contract, the Bears and the us fans could be patient with Hester developing into a NFL WR. But given the new contract there is no patience. He must developed.

 

Tired of propoganda? What does that even mean? Whether you want to or not, there's really no choice but to be patient with Hester's transformation. WR take a while to develop in general, and that's even with 1st round draft pick WR who have played WR throughout college. Hester has put a very minimal amount of time in at the position.

 

well... he is probably a hall of fame type player now, but I get what you are saying..

 

I assume you mean, at his current pace. That may be true, if he keeps doing what he's done for 8-10 years. But it's going to be very difficult for Hester to make the HOF without any sort of impact at WR.

 

 

Well, about a week in and from what I can tell, training camp has been a disappointment. The offensive line, a huge problem for well over a year, does not appear to be any better yet, and they are missing important parts - with no clear idea when those parts will return. I just hope this offense isn't as bad as it looks like it could be.

[Derwood]

if Hester never develops on the offensive side, then they just paid a guaranteed $15M to get other teams to kick the ball out of bounds

[Flames24Rulz]

Bears need to call Terry Glenn.

 

No they don't.

 

I don't see how Glenn isn't done at this point. I'll be shocked if he ever plays significant time again.

 

Even with his injury woes, the Bears should still take a flier on him. He'd probably be the best WR that they'd have for the few games that he is healthy.

[jersey cubs fan]

if Hester never develops on the offensive side, then they just paid a guaranteed $15M to get other teams to kick the ball out of bounds

 

He's already developed into a decent threat, the question is whether he can develop further into #1 WR status. And teams don't just kick it out of bounds when he's back there. You can't do that on kickoffs, and if you do it on punts, it's going to hurt as well. The money guaranteed to Hester is not going to be a waste even if he never gets any better as a receiver.

[Soul]

if Hester never develops on the offensive side, then they just paid a guaranteed $15M to get other teams to kick the ball out of bounds

 

It's not like he didn't show any signs @ WR. When we got deep, he was easily the biggest threat on the field. His problem was not knowing the offense. I might agree that his potential as a #1 is limited by his inability to comprehend plays, but I don't see much doubt he'll always be a deep threat when he's in there.

 

And anyway, Hester had another great year returning the ball despite the out of bounds kicks.

[Guest]

if Hester never develops on the offensive side, then they just paid a guaranteed $15M to get other teams to kick the ball out of bounds

 

Umm, what?

[Derwood]

if Hester never develops on the offensive side, then they just paid a guaranteed $15M to get other teams to kick the ball out of bounds

 

Umm, what?

 

if he doesn't develop into a #1 or #2 WR, then his value is limited to returns, where most teams will kick the ball away from him or, on punts, just kick it out of bounds

[jersey cubs fan]

if Hester never develops on the offensive side, then they just paid a guaranteed $15M to get other teams to kick the ball out of bounds

 

Umm, what?

 

if he doesn't develop into a #1 or #2 WR, then his value is limited to returns, where most teams will kick the ball away from him or, on punts, just kick it out of bounds

 

Except we've already seen that doesn't really work. And he'd still have value as an offensive weapon even if he's not going to be a #1 or #2.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I don't understand why people think Hester won't get a chance to return punts or kicks? Here is how it will work...

 

1) Teams won't kick to Devin Hester for 3-4 weeks.

2) Along comes a cowboy of a head coach that thinks his ST unit can stop Hester. They kick to him.

3) Hester returns one or more kicks that game for a TD

Repeat Steps 1-3 again...

[Derwood]

I don't understand why people think Hester won't get a chance to return punts or kicks? Here is how it will work...

 

1) Teams won't kick to Devin Hester for 3-4 weeks.

2) Along comes a cowboy of a head coach that thinks his ST unit can stop Hester. They kick to him.

3) Hester returns one or more kicks that game for a TD

Repeat Steps 1-3 again...

 

you just outline a 3 step plan for teams not kicking to Hester.

[Guest]

if Hester never develops on the offensive side, then they just paid a guaranteed $15M to get other teams to kick the ball out of bounds

 

Umm, what?

 

if he doesn't develop into a #1 or #2 WR, then his value is limited to returns, where most teams will kick the ball away from him or, on punts, just kick it out of bounds

 

Teams aren't going to risk kicking it out of bounds on kick offs and the trade off for squibs on kick offs and kicking out of bounds in punts is great field position to the Bears. Despite the bigger emphasis on stopping Hester/kicking away from him last season, he returned 6 punts and kickoffs for touchdowns.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I don't understand why people think Hester won't get a chance to return punts or kicks? Here is how it will work...

 

1) Teams won't kick to Devin Hester for 3-4 weeks.

2) Along comes a cowboy of a head coach that thinks his ST unit can stop Hester. They kick to him.

3) Hester returns one or more kicks that game for a TD

Repeat Steps 1-3 again...

 

you just outline a 3 step plan for teams not kicking to Hester.

 

My point stil stands, he will probably get about the same touches via returns as last year. If he can excute upon it, then that is still money well spent.

[Banedon]

Why are we assuming he won't be a #1 or #2 receiver? All indications from camp are that he came in knowing the playbook, and will be moved around between the receiver spots to keep the D from keying on him the same way they did last year. Given the ability that he's shown, I don't see why we need to be down on his prospects as a WR.

[RynoRules]

They tried to move Hester to WR at Miami and he couldn't hack it. Obviously he can put far more time to making the adjustment at the NFL level. Just saying.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

They tried to move Hester to WR at Miami and he couldn't hack it.

more like Coker and his coaching staff were idiots that kept jacking him around from position to position.