Some stuff from Churchill Re: Harden/Burnett/Hudson etc....

[Jehrico]

it's sad because meph is a walking computer.

486?

[Jehrico]

That God awful Pierre trade has left the Cubs without the two things they desire, a quality starting pitcher and a left for the pen. Darn that trade to heck.

 

You've been following the Cubs long enough to realize that Nolasco had no chance to break into the Cubs rotation and even if he got the shot they wouldn't have stuck with him this long.

 

As recently as June 5, Nolasco had a 5+ERA and was getting lit up. Sure he is having a decent run at it right now, but the Cubs are not known to be overly patient with young pitchers, and Nolasco is benefiting from being on a team that doesn't have many other options other than giving playing time to young players.

 

I think they would have had him in the pen a lot more than the Fish did but I don't know if I'd count him out as a starter. I suppose there is something to be said about letting a young pitcher get some good game experience. That's where I give them (fish) credit, they go young and see who steps up and once they win or the guy gets too expensive they deal him and get some quality in return. Maybe Hendry should ask the Fish who they want for Nolasco and then turn them down and insert that player onto the 25 man roster!

 

Hendry should look at the Marlins and others to find out how to have a decent minor league system.

The sad thing is we did have an awesome farm system, and Hendry was a huge part of it. He knows how to build an awesome farm system. Ever since Hendry left the scouting department and took over as GM our farm system has been down hill. That's what's so incredibly mind-boggling behind the downfall of our farm, as that should be our main strength if you look at our GM. I wish they'd go back to drafting tons of pitchers like they were when our farm was amongst the best.

[jersey cubs fan]

The sad thing is we did have an awesome farm system, and Hendry was a huge part of it. He knows how to build an awesome farm system. Ever since Hendry left the scouting department and took over as GM our farm system has been down hill. That's what's so incredibly mind-boggling behind the downfall of our farm, as that should be our main strength if you look at our GM. I wish they'd go back to drafting tons of pitchers like they were when our farm was amongst the best.

 

The system was highly rated with Hendry at the helm, but was it actually any better? The Cubs have actually begun to produce big league talent since Hendry left the minor league matters to others.

[USSoccer]

The sad thing is we did have an awesome farm system, and Hendry was a huge part of it. He knows how to build an awesome farm system. Ever since Hendry left the scouting department and took over as GM our farm system has been down hill. That's what's so incredibly mind-boggling behind the downfall of our farm, as that should be our main strength if you look at our GM. I wish they'd go back to drafting tons of pitchers like they were when our farm was amongst the best.

 

The system was highly rated with Hendry at the helm, but was it actually any better? The Cubs have actually begun to produce big league talent since Hendry left the minor league matters to others.

 

Prior to Hendry becoming GM, the system produced Zambrano, Cruz, Choi, Hill, Patterson, and I suppose Wellemeyer.

 

Z is the only guy to have sustained success. Patterson had the 1.5 good seasons, Wellemeyer has had a nice 1st half this season, and Cruz is a decent reliever.

 

Post-Hendry GM has produced Soto, Theriot, Fontenot (who shouldn't count since he wasn't from our system), Murton (ditto), Gallagher, Hill, Marshall, and Marmol.

 

The post Hendry years are more productive, and it's not really that close.

[jersey cubs fan]

Fontenot (who shouldn't count since he wasn't from our system), Murton (ditto),

 

While those guys aren't the same as drafting or signing your own, I think they should still be partially attributed to the system, somehow. They each spent significant time in the minor league system before coming up to the majors and achieving some success.

[USSoccer]

Fontenot (who shouldn't count since he wasn't from our system), Murton (ditto),

 

While those guys aren't the same as drafting or signing your own, I think they should still be partially attributed to the system, somehow. They each spent significant time in the minor league system before coming up to the majors and achieving some success.

 

That kind of strengthens the argument, then.

 

I suppose, though, one must consider that the best player developed by Hendry (Z) has more value than the best post Hendry player (Soto).

[Guest]

The sad thing is we did have an awesome farm system, and Hendry was a huge part of it. He knows how to build an awesome farm system. Ever since Hendry left the scouting department and took over as GM our farm system has been down hill. That's what's so incredibly mind-boggling behind the downfall of our farm, as that should be our main strength if you look at our GM. I wish they'd go back to drafting tons of pitchers like they were when our farm was amongst the best.

 

The system was highly rated with Hendry at the helm, but was it actually any better? The Cubs have actually begun to produce big league talent since Hendry left the minor league matters to others.

 

Prior to Hendry becoming GM, the system produced Zambrano, Cruz, Choi, Hill, Patterson, and I suppose Wellemeyer.

 

Z is the only guy to have sustained success. Patterson had the 1.5 good seasons, Wellemeyer has had a nice 1st half this season, and Cruz is a decent reliever.

 

Post-Hendry GM has produced Soto, Theriot, Fontenot (who shouldn't count since he wasn't from our system), Murton (ditto), Gallagher, Hill, Marshall, and Marmol.

 

The post Hendry years are more productive, and it's not really that close.

 

It depends on how you define post and pre-Hendry (i.e. drafting). Prior, Nolasco, Theriot and Soto were drafted the summer before Hendry became GM. Marmol was signed 2.5 years before Hendry became GM. But all of them were developed after he became GM, but you could say the same for guys like Z, Cruz and Wellemeyer (some of their development came after Hendry was promoted).

[USSoccer]

The sad thing is we did have an awesome farm system, and Hendry was a huge part of it. He knows how to build an awesome farm system. Ever since Hendry left the scouting department and took over as GM our farm system has been down hill. That's what's so incredibly mind-boggling behind the downfall of our farm, as that should be our main strength if you look at our GM. I wish they'd go back to drafting tons of pitchers like they were when our farm was amongst the best.

 

The system was highly rated with Hendry at the helm, but was it actually any better? The Cubs have actually begun to produce big league talent since Hendry left the minor league matters to others.

 

Prior to Hendry becoming GM, the system produced Zambrano, Cruz, Choi, Hill, Patterson, and I suppose Wellemeyer.

 

Z is the only guy to have sustained success. Patterson had the 1.5 good seasons, Wellemeyer has had a nice 1st half this season, and Cruz is a decent reliever.

 

Post-Hendry GM has produced Soto, Theriot, Fontenot (who shouldn't count since he wasn't from our system), Murton (ditto), Gallagher, Hill, Marshall, and Marmol.

 

The post Hendry years are more productive, and it's not really that close.

 

It depends on how you define post and pre-Hendry (i.e. drafting). Prior, Nolasco, Theriot and Soto were drafted the summer before Hendry became GM. Marmol was signed 2.5 years before Hendry became GM. But all of them were developed after he became GM, but you could say the same for guys like Z, Cruz and Wellemeyer (some of their development came after Hendry was promoted).

 

True. You could split hairs on this one. One could also question how much Hendry or Wilken have to do with the actual development of the players they sign/draft.

[jersey cubs fan]

The sad thing is we did have an awesome farm system, and Hendry was a huge part of it. He knows how to build an awesome farm system. Ever since Hendry left the scouting department and took over as GM our farm system has been down hill. That's what's so incredibly mind-boggling behind the downfall of our farm, as that should be our main strength if you look at our GM. I wish they'd go back to drafting tons of pitchers like they were when our farm was amongst the best.

 

The system was highly rated with Hendry at the helm, but was it actually any better? The Cubs have actually begun to produce big league talent since Hendry left the minor league matters to others.

 

Prior to Hendry becoming GM, the system produced Zambrano, Cruz, Choi, Hill, Patterson, and I suppose Wellemeyer.

 

Z is the only guy to have sustained success. Patterson had the 1.5 good seasons, Wellemeyer has had a nice 1st half this season, and Cruz is a decent reliever.

 

Post-Hendry GM has produced Soto, Theriot, Fontenot (who shouldn't count since he wasn't from our system), Murton (ditto), Gallagher, Hill, Marshall, and Marmol.

 

The post Hendry years are more productive, and it's not really that close.

 

It depends on how you define post and pre-Hendry (i.e. drafting). Prior, Nolasco, Theriot and Soto were drafted the summer before Hendry became GM. Marmol was signed 2.5 years before Hendry became GM. But all of them were developed after he became GM, but you could say the same for guys like Z, Cruz and Wellemeyer (some of their development came after Hendry was promoted).

 

True. You could split hairs on this one. One could also question how much Hendry or Wilken have to do with the actual development of the players they sign/draft.

 

Wasn't Hendry assn GM the summer before he became GM? Was he even doing the draft at the time those guys were brought in? I thought he had other people running it at the time.

[Banedon]

we're really lost on this one without hoops, that's for sure.

 

Yeah I blame the whole thing on Banedon.

 

ROFL wtf? Am I missing something?

[Derwood]

can we trade for Greg Maddux, but only under the provision that he retires at season's end and becomes our pitching coach?

[E.J.]

we're really lost on this one without hoops, that's for sure.

 

Yeah I blame the whole thing on Banedon.

 

ROFL wtf? Am I missing something?

 

you're the new CT.

[Banedon]

we're really lost on this one without hoops, that's for sure.

 

Yeah I blame the whole thing on Banedon.

 

ROFL wtf? Am I missing something?

 

you're the new CT.

 

No offense to CT, but...pass.

[Jehrico]

we're really lost on this one without hoops, that's for sure.

 

Yeah I blame the whole thing on Banedon.

 

ROFL wtf? Am I missing something?

 

you're the new CT.

 

No offense to CT, but...pass.

The old CT tried that too. If it didn't work for him, then it wouldn't be fair to allow you to pass either.

[Banedon]

we're really lost on this one without hoops, that's for sure.

 

Yeah I blame the whole thing on Banedon.

 

ROFL wtf? Am I missing something?

 

you're the new CT.

 

No offense to CT, but...pass.

The old CT tried that too. If it didn't work for him, then it wouldn't be fair to allow you to pass either.

 

CT didn't have all the cool buttons that I have. :cool:

[Post Count Padder]

we're really lost on this one without hoops, that's for sure.

 

Yeah I blame the whole thing on Banedon.

 

And I'm in the clear...

Everybody else blames you

[BleacherBadger]

can we trade for Greg Maddux, but only under the provision that he retires at season's end and becomes our pitching coach?

 

I'm thinking something along the lines of Jake Taylor in Major League, or even Charlie Conway in the Might Ducks.