Astros Suspend Chacon Indefinitely (now waived)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

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Astros right-hander Shawn Chacon, unhappy with being moved from the rotation to the bullpen, has informed the Astros he wants to be traded and has been suspended indefinitely by the team for insubordination.

 

When asked why Chacon had been suspended, Wade cited "insubordination to the club."

 

But rotoworld adds this to it...

 

Shawn Chacon, who was suspended indefinitely by the Astros, said he threw Ed Wade to the floor Wednesday after being asked to attend a meeting with the general manager and manager Cecil Cooper.

 

Chacon said he was told sternly by Wade that he was going to have the meeting, something he didn't want to do. "He started yelling and cussing," Chacon said of Wade. "I’m sitting there and I said to him very calmly, ‘Ed, you need to stop yelling (at) me. Then I stood up and said 'you better stop yelling at me.' I stood up. He continued and was basically yelling and stuff and was like, ‘You need to (expletive) look in the mirror.’ So at that point I lost my cool and I grabbed him by the neck and threw him to the ground. I jumped on top of him because at that point I wanted to beat his (butt). Words were exchanged." Chacon was pulled away from Wade by a teammate before he could do any damage, which may end up saving his career. It's still hard to imagine another team being eager to give him a chance this year.

 

Bizarre!

[OleMissCub]

WHOAAA

[Post Count Padder]

Wow

[Coach C]

Roid Rage!!!

 

Kidding, of course, but man, it sounded pretty rough....

[sneakypower]

he Sprewelled him!

[CoolHandLuke]

Shawn Chacon's 2004 proves the over rated-ness of the "save".

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The more I'm thinking of it, there's probably fans of teams that Ed Wade ran into the ground that would like to buy Chacon a beer.

[OleMissCub]

Shawn Chacon's 2004 proves the over rated-ness of the "save".

 

No kidding. His stats that year will make you scratch your head....

 

1-9, 35 saves, 7.11 ERA, 69 ERA+, 1.942 WHIP

 

Imagine having a closer with a WHIP near 2?

[SouthSideRyan]

The more I'm thinking of it, there's probably fans of teams that Ed Wade ran into the ground that would like to buy Chacon a beer.

 

I was gonna say he's not doing anything that fans of the Astros don't want to.

 

I'm sure you can ask around your hometown what with the abundance of Astros fans there.

[OleMissCub]

 

I'm sure you can ask around your hometown what with the abundance of Astros fans there.

 

Actually Monroe is well known for having a large population of Mariners fans.

[GoCubsGo1679625768]

I'm sure Ed Wade deserved it.

[Tarver]

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Astros right-hander Shawn Chacon, unhappy with being moved from the rotation to the bullpen, has informed the Astros he wants to be traded and has been suspended indefinitely by the team for insubordination.

 

When asked why Chacon had been suspended, Wade cited "insubordination to the club."

 

But rotoworld adds this to it...

 

Shawn Chacon, who was suspended indefinitely by the Astros, said he threw Ed Wade to the floor Wednesday after being asked to attend a meeting with the general manager and manager Cecil Cooper.

 

Chacon said he was told sternly by Wade that he was going to have the meeting, something he didn't want to do. "He started yelling and cussing," Chacon said of Wade. "I’m sitting there and I said to him very calmly, ‘Ed, you need to stop yelling (at) me. Then I stood up and said 'you better stop yelling at me.' I stood up. He continued and was basically yelling and stuff and was like, ‘You need to (expletive) look in the mirror.’ So at that point I lost my cool and I grabbed him by the neck and threw him to the ground. I jumped on top of him because at that point I wanted to beat his (butt). Words were exchanged." Chacon was pulled away from Wade by a teammate before he could do any damage, which may end up saving his career. It's still hard to imagine another team being eager to give him a chance this year.

 

Bizarre!

 

 

Taking Chacon at his word (which is probably a mistake), I guess Wade's not only one of the worst GMs in baseball, but an unprofessional hothead as well.

 

Redassing a player in front of the team while they're sitting down eating? What kind of behavior is that for an exec? He should have just quietly ended the conversation after Chacon refused to meet with him, walked into his office, and drew up the walking papers.

[Sammy Sofa]

All a misunderstanding.

 

Like when Pedro was simply attempting to help a lovable old gentleman rest his tired head upon the soft, soft grass.

[NonProfitCow]

All a misunderstanding.

 

Like when Pedro was simply attempting to help a lovable old gentleman rest his tired head upon the soft, soft grass.

I've always liked Zimmer, but I wouldn't have cared if Pedro would have popped him. He was being a complete idiot. I personally think it was nice of Pedro to do what he did.

 

Back on topic though, you think Chacon can post a 3.00 ERA for the Newark Bears?

[Jon]

I wonder if such violence towards a member of the organization can be grounds for voiding a contract.

 

Of course, I'm sure the MLBPA would just love that.

[jersey cubs fan]

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Astros right-hander Shawn Chacon, unhappy with being moved from the rotation to the bullpen, has informed the Astros he wants to be traded and has been suspended indefinitely by the team for insubordination.

 

When asked why Chacon had been suspended, Wade cited "insubordination to the club."

 

But rotoworld adds this to it...

 

Shawn Chacon, who was suspended indefinitely by the Astros, said he threw Ed Wade to the floor Wednesday after being asked to attend a meeting with the general manager and manager Cecil Cooper.

 

Chacon said he was told sternly by Wade that he was going to have the meeting, something he didn't want to do. "He started yelling and cussing," Chacon said of Wade. "I’m sitting there and I said to him very calmly, ‘Ed, you need to stop yelling (at) me. Then I stood up and said 'you better stop yelling at me.' I stood up. He continued and was basically yelling and stuff and was like, ‘You need to (expletive) look in the mirror.’ So at that point I lost my cool and I grabbed him by the neck and threw him to the ground. I jumped on top of him because at that point I wanted to beat his (butt). Words were exchanged." Chacon was pulled away from Wade by a teammate before he could do any damage, which may end up saving his career. It's still hard to imagine another team being eager to give him a chance this year.

 

Bizarre!

 

 

Taking Chacon at his word (which is probably a mistake), I guess Wade's not only one of the worst GMs in baseball, but an unprofessional hothead as well.

 

Redassing a player in front of the team while they're sitting down eating? What kind of behavior is that for an exec? He should have just quietly ended the conversation after Chacon refused to meet with him, walked into his office, and drew up the walking papers.

 

But it sounds like he was yelling at the guy for refusing to meet with the manager and GM about his demotion to the bullpen which he also refused. There are tens of thousands of execs who would "redass" an employee for that kind of behavior, regardless of whether they were in front of fellow employees (or perhaps especially if they were in front of fellow employees) and eating.

 

He's a bad GM, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Soul]

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Astros right-hander Shawn Chacon, unhappy with being moved from the rotation to the bullpen, has informed the Astros he wants to be traded and has been suspended indefinitely by the team for insubordination.

 

When asked why Chacon had been suspended, Wade cited "insubordination to the club."

 

But rotoworld adds this to it...

 

Shawn Chacon, who was suspended indefinitely by the Astros, said he threw Ed Wade to the floor Wednesday after being asked to attend a meeting with the general manager and manager Cecil Cooper.

 

Chacon said he was told sternly by Wade that he was going to have the meeting, something he didn't want to do. "He started yelling and cussing," Chacon said of Wade. "I’m sitting there and I said to him very calmly, ‘Ed, you need to stop yelling (at) me. Then I stood up and said 'you better stop yelling at me.' I stood up. He continued and was basically yelling and stuff and was like, ‘You need to (expletive) look in the mirror.’ So at that point I lost my cool and I grabbed him by the neck and threw him to the ground. I jumped on top of him because at that point I wanted to beat his (butt). Words were exchanged." Chacon was pulled away from Wade by a teammate before he could do any damage, which may end up saving his career. It's still hard to imagine another team being eager to give him a chance this year.

 

Bizarre!

 

 

Taking Chacon at his word (which is probably a mistake), I guess Wade's not only one of the worst GMs in baseball, but an unprofessional hothead as well.

 

Redassing a player in front of the team while they're sitting down eating? What kind of behavior is that for an exec? He should have just quietly ended the conversation after Chacon refused to meet with him, walked into his office, and drew up the walking papers.

 

But it sounds like he was yelling at the guy for refusing to meet with the manager and GM about his demotion to the bullpen which he also refused. There are tens of thousands of execs who would "redass" an employee for that kind of behavior, regardless of whether they were in front of fellow employees (or perhaps especially if they were in front of fellow employees) and eating.

 

He's a bad GM, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

I agree. He wouldn't even go in to a meeting with his boss? That's crap. Who's signing your paycheck bud?

[Tarver]

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Astros right-hander Shawn Chacon, unhappy with being moved from the rotation to the bullpen, has informed the Astros he wants to be traded and has been suspended indefinitely by the team for insubordination.

 

When asked why Chacon had been suspended, Wade cited "insubordination to the club."

 

But rotoworld adds this to it...

 

Shawn Chacon, who was suspended indefinitely by the Astros, said he threw Ed Wade to the floor Wednesday after being asked to attend a meeting with the general manager and manager Cecil Cooper.

 

Chacon said he was told sternly by Wade that he was going to have the meeting, something he didn't want to do. "He started yelling and cussing," Chacon said of Wade. "I’m sitting there and I said to him very calmly, ‘Ed, you need to stop yelling (at) me. Then I stood up and said 'you better stop yelling at me.' I stood up. He continued and was basically yelling and stuff and was like, ‘You need to (expletive) look in the mirror.’ So at that point I lost my cool and I grabbed him by the neck and threw him to the ground. I jumped on top of him because at that point I wanted to beat his (butt). Words were exchanged." Chacon was pulled away from Wade by a teammate before he could do any damage, which may end up saving his career. It's still hard to imagine another team being eager to give him a chance this year.

 

Bizarre!

 

 

Taking Chacon at his word (which is probably a mistake), I guess Wade's not only one of the worst GMs in baseball, but an unprofessional hothead as well.

 

Redassing a player in front of the team while they're sitting down eating? What kind of behavior is that for an exec? He should have just quietly ended the conversation after Chacon refused to meet with him, walked into his office, and drew up the walking papers.

 

But it sounds like he was yelling at the guy for refusing to meet with the manager and GM about his demotion to the bullpen which he also refused. There are tens of thousands of execs who would "redass" an employee for that kind of behavior, regardless of whether they were in front of fellow employees (or perhaps especially if they were in front of fellow employees) and eating.

 

He's a bad GM, but I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

Reading this:

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5857104.html

 

It sounds like Wade was being a little confrontational about the whole thing after Chacon refused to meet with Cooper.

 

Chacon's an obvious putz, but his agent is on record as having requested a trade earlier this week. Considering that, what is there to talk about? Wade should have just informed Chacon's agent he was being released after refusing to meet with Cooper. I don't understand Wade's reasoning for confronting someone who had for all intent and purposes quit.

[jersey cubs fan]

Reading this:

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5857104.html

 

It sounds like Wade was being a little confrontational about the whole thing after Chacon refused to meet with Cooper.

 

Chacon's an obvious putz, but his agent is on record as having requested a trade earlier this week. Considering that, what is there to talk about? Wade should have just informed Chacon's agent he was being released after refusing to meet with Cooper. I don't understand Wade's reasoning for confronting someone who had for all intent and purposes quit.

 

That's the point, he refused to attend a meeting. He's an employee under contract. The team is obligated to pay him, he is obligated to do his part for the team. The fact that his agent requested a team does not void his obligation as an employee. Simply releasing him doesn't help the team.

 

The fact that he quit is more than enough reason to be confrontational with an employee. His version of quitting still gets him paid. It's not like he walked out the door and refused any further paychecks. He wanted all the benefits of being under contract without performing the duties of being under contract, and you don't see the reasoning for a manager to confront the employee for such behavior?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Yep. And suspending him will keep the team from paying him, while releasing him would have the team on the hook for the remainder of his 2 million dollar contract.

[Tarver]

Reading this:

 

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5857104.html

 

It sounds like Wade was being a little confrontational about the whole thing after Chacon refused to meet with Cooper.

 

Chacon's an obvious putz, but his agent is on record as having requested a trade earlier this week. Considering that, what is there to talk about? Wade should have just informed Chacon's agent he was being released after refusing to meet with Cooper. I don't understand Wade's reasoning for confronting someone who had for all intent and purposes quit.

 

That's the point, he refused to attend a meeting. He's an employee under contract. The team is obligated to pay him, he is obligated to do his part for the team. The fact that his agent requested a team does not void his obligation as an employee. Simply releasing him doesn't help the team.

 

The fact that he quit is more than enough reason to be confrontational with an employee. His version of quitting still gets him paid. It's not like he walked out the door and refused any further paychecks. He wanted all the benefits of being under contract without performing the duties of being under contract, and you don't see the reasoning for a manager to confront the employee for such behavior?

 

The field manager yes, the GM, no. If Cooper engenders that little respect in his clubhouse that players openly defy his orders, he needs to be fired, too.

 

I think we're arguing minutiae here. Both guys are detrimental to that franchise, and both have some level of culpability. But if this was all some elaborate ploy by Wade to take advantage of Chacon's instability and avoid having to pay the remainder of his contract, his stock just went up in my book.

[jersey cubs fan]

The field manager yes, the GM, no. If Cooper engenders that little respect in his clubhouse that players openly defy his orders, he needs to be fired, too.

 

I think we're arguing minutiae here. Both guys are detrimental to that franchise, and both have some level of culpability. But if this was all some elaborate ploy by Wade to take advantage of Chacon's instability and avoid having to pay the remainder of his contract, his stock just went up in my book.

 

We aren't arguing minutiae. The GM is the boss's boss. He's got a problem employee who is under contract and refusing to act accordingly. Getting on him for "redassing" a player while eating in front of others is ridiculous.

[Tarver]

The field manager yes, the GM, no. If Cooper engenders that little respect in his clubhouse that players openly defy his orders, he needs to be fired, too.

 

I think we're arguing minutiae here. Both guys are detrimental to that franchise, and both have some level of culpability. But if this was all some elaborate ploy by Wade to take advantage of Chacon's instability and avoid having to pay the remainder of his contract, his stock just went up in my book.

 

We aren't arguing minutiae. The GM is the boss's boss. He's got a problem employee who is under contract and refusing to act accordingly. Getting on him for "redassing" a player while eating in front of others is ridiculous.

 

You're simplifying it. We're still talking unions here, and if Chacon were bolting Ford Explorers together and someone in management came down while he was eating lunch and started in on him, with no steward present, there'd be hell to pay.

 

This was Cooper's responsibility, pure and simple. They could have suspended him for insubordination to the manager, the way the Angels handled Guillen in '04. Wade had no reason to make it personal. Do you consider an exec raising his voice and using profanity towards a union member appropriate behavior?

[Little Slide Rooter]

All a misunderstanding.

 

Like when Pedro was simply attempting to help a lovable old gentleman rest his tired head upon the soft, soft grass.

 

And Sammy Sosa just happened to confuse his bat with a champaign bottle one day.

[mul21]

The field manager yes, the GM, no. If Cooper engenders that little respect in his clubhouse that players openly defy his orders, he needs to be fired, too.

 

I think we're arguing minutiae here. Both guys are detrimental to that franchise, and both have some level of culpability. But if this was all some elaborate ploy by Wade to take advantage of Chacon's instability and avoid having to pay the remainder of his contract, his stock just went up in my book.

 

We aren't arguing minutiae. The GM is the boss's boss. He's got a problem employee who is under contract and refusing to act accordingly. Getting on him for "redassing" a player while eating in front of others is ridiculous.

 

You're simplifying it. We're still talking unions here, and if Chacon were bolting Ford Explorers together and someone in management came down while he was eating lunch and started in on him, with no steward present, there'd be hell to pay.

 

This was Cooper's responsibility, pure and simple. They could have suspended him for insubordination to the manager, the way the Angels handled Guillen in '04. Wade had no reason to make it personal. Do you consider an exec raising his voice and using profanity towards a union member appropriate behavior?

 

Not the same thing. He refused to even go into the meeting where if he requsted it/required it he gets to have a union rep present. He has no leg to stand on because he refused to even go into the meeting and then proceeded to pummel management. I don't care how union you are, that's not ok.