Astros Suspend Chacon Indefinitely (now waived)

[Banedon]

Wade yelling at Chacon = Wrong.

 

Chacon attacking Wade physically = Wronger.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wade yelling at Chacon = Wrong.

 

Why is it wrong to yell at an obscenely insubordinate employee?

[Banedon]

Wade yelling at Chacon = Wrong.

 

Why is it wrong to yell at an obscenely insubordinate employee?

 

In front of everyone to the point where that person physically assaults you? There was nothing wrong with confronting him...but Wade crossed a line here too. There are disciplinary measures that can be taken for insubordination. What did he think yelling would accomplish?

[jersey cubs fan]

Wade yelling at Chacon = Wrong.

 

Why is it wrong to yell at an obscenely insubordinate employee?

 

In front of everyone to the point where that person physically assaults you? There was nothing wrong with confronting him...but Wade crossed a line here too. There are disciplinary measures that can be taken for insubordination. What did he think yelling would accomplish?

 

This sounds like something you'd say to a 4th grader. The guy is a well compensated employee who refused to follow instructions from his bosses. He didn't accidentally put the wrong paper in the copy machine.

[TruffleShuffle]

i knew ed wade was a terrible general manager, but i didn't realize he was a complete a-hole as well. great hire, astros.

[Little Slide Rooter]

hes officially been chased on waivers. Dont even think about it Hendry.

[NCCubFan]

Not only has he been placed on waivers, but if he goes unclaimed the Astros plan to terminate his contract for cause and not pay the remainder of his salary.

[photoguy9883]

Wade yelling at Chacon = Wrong.

 

Why is it wrong to yell at an obscenely insubordinate employee?

 

In front of everyone to the point where that person physically assaults you? There was nothing wrong with confronting him...but Wade crossed a line here too. There are disciplinary measures that can be taken for insubordination. What did he think yelling would accomplish?

 

This sounds like something you'd say to a 4th grader. The guy is a well compensated employee who refused to follow instructions from his bosses. He didn't accidentally put the wrong paper in the copy machine.

 

I'm just going to say it sounds like a poor management style. It obviously backfired on Wade, and now the players probably have even less respect for him than they did.

[Tarver]

Wade yelling at Chacon = Wrong.

 

Chacon attacking Wade physically = Wronger.

 

That was my point, both of these guys were out of line.

[Tarver]

FWIW, Olney stated on Baseball Tonight that several sources in the clubhouse are stating this was a symptom of a larger problem, and that many on the team are dissatisfied with "some of the choices being made". Wade called it an isolated incident.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wade yelling at Chacon = Wrong.

 

Why is it wrong to yell at an obscenely insubordinate employee?

 

In front of everyone to the point where that person physically assaults you? There was nothing wrong with confronting him...but Wade crossed a line here too. There are disciplinary measures that can be taken for insubordination. What did he think yelling would accomplish?

 

This sounds like something you'd say to a 4th grader. The guy is a well compensated employee who refused to follow instructions from his bosses. He didn't accidentally put the wrong paper in the copy machine.

 

I'm just going to say it sounds like a poor management style. It obviously backfired on Wade, and now the players probably have even less respect for him than they did.

 

The notion that bosses/managers/gms can't yell at a player/employee in front of others is laughable.

 

Chacon sounds like Ryan Leaf going off on that reported.

[fromthestretch]

I'm just going to say it sounds like a poor management style. It obviously backfired on Wade, and now the players probably have even less respect for him than they did.

 

The notion that bosses/managers/gms can't yell at a player/employee in front of others is laughable.

 

Chacon sounds like Ryan Leaf going off on that reported.

 

It's unprofessional, bad for morale, and can create the appearance of a hostile workplace. If you want to get the most out of your employees and get them to respect management, having a profanity-laced tirade in front of them isn't the best way to go. There are more professional ways of dealing with insubordination. I understand that the manager/boss is limited in his/her options if the employee flat-out refuses to meet in private to discuss the matter. However, in many companies, you can get HR involved, or (in a worst case scenario) have security help the employee box up their stuff and escort them off the premises. Obviously, that doesn't necessarily apply to sports, but that doesn't mean the only option is to yell and scream in front of people. If Chacon wanted to talk right there in front of everyone, he could have said what needed to be said in a professional but direct manner (maybe he did and Chacon is lying...I don't know).

 

I'm not saying you need to handle people with kid gloves, but when you are managing people, you need to act in a professional manner.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm just going to say it sounds like a poor management style. It obviously backfired on Wade, and now the players probably have even less respect for him than they did.

 

The notion that bosses/managers/gms can't yell at a player/employee in front of others is laughable.

 

Chacon sounds like Ryan Leaf going off on that reported.

 

It's unprofessional, bad for morale, and can create the appearance of a hostile workplace. If you want to get the most out of your employees and get them to respect management, having a profanity-laced tirade in front of them isn't the best way to go. There are more professional ways of dealing with insubordination. I understand that the manager/boss is limited in his/her options if the employee flat-out refuses to meet in private to discuss the matter. However, in many companies, you can get HR involved, or (in a worst case scenario) have security help the employee box up their stuff and escort them off the premises. Obviously, that doesn't necessarily apply to sports, but that doesn't mean the only option is to yell and scream in front of people. If Chacon wanted to talk right there in front of everyone, he could have said what needed to be said in a professional but direct manner (maybe he did and Chacon is lying...I don't know).

 

I'm not saying you need to handle people with kid gloves, but when you are managing people, you need to act in a professional manner.

 

You're right, he should have gone to HR to fix things.

[mjohnson71]

FWIW, Olney stated on Baseball Tonight that several sources in the clubhouse are stating this was a symptom of a larger problem, and that many on the team are dissatisfied with "some of the choices being made". Wade called it an isolated incident.

 

Good, let the Astros tear themselves apart.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

FWIW, Olney stated on Baseball Tonight that several sources in the clubhouse are stating this was a symptom of a larger problem, and that many on the team are dissatisfied with "some of the choices being made". Wade called it an isolated incident.

I'd have to think one of the choices they're not satisfied with is the hiring of Wade

[fromthestretch]

I'm just going to say it sounds like a poor management style. It obviously backfired on Wade, and now the players probably have even less respect for him than they did.

 

The notion that bosses/managers/gms can't yell at a player/employee in front of others is laughable.

 

Chacon sounds like Ryan Leaf going off on that reported.

 

It's unprofessional, bad for morale, and can create the appearance of a hostile workplace. If you want to get the most out of your employees and get them to respect management, having a profanity-laced tirade in front of them isn't the best way to go. There are more professional ways of dealing with insubordination. I understand that the manager/boss is limited in his/her options if the employee flat-out refuses to meet in private to discuss the matter. However, in many companies, you can get HR involved, or (in a worst case scenario) have security help the employee box up their stuff and escort them off the premises. Obviously, that doesn't necessarily apply to sports, but that doesn't mean the only option is to yell and scream in front of people. If Chacon wanted to talk right there in front of everyone, he could have said what needed to be said in a professional but direct manner (maybe he did and Chacon is lying...I don't know).

 

I'm not saying you need to handle people with kid gloves, but when you are managing people, you need to act in a professional manner.

 

You're right, he should have gone to HR to fix things.

 

You're right, that's exactly what I said.

 

You made it clear in your previous post that you weren't referring just to sports teams when you said "The notion that bosses/managers/gms can't yell at a player/employee in front of others is laughable," so I gave an example relating to an office environment. I also made it clear that situations that come up in an office environment aren't the same as the sports world. I'm fully aware of that, and I'd like to think you're smart enough to know the point I was getting at. That doesn't mean that Wade's only option was to cuss out one of his players. Very few people in this world would want to work in an environment where the boss publicly berates his employees.

 

I'm not excusing the way Chacon reacted in any way, shape or form. His actions are not excusable. Neither are Wade's, if Chacon's version of the events is accurate (which it probably isn't).

[radarluv1]

Not only has he been placed on waivers, but if he goes unclaimed the Astros plan to terminate his contract for cause and not pay the remainder of his salary.

 

Houston says Chacon violated a provision in the uniform player contract that states the player may be terminated if he shall “fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition or to obey to the club’s training rules.”

 

I cant see how the astros would have to pay him after reading this. i also dont see how more teams dont get out of more contracts with this clause.

[SouthSideRyan]

Not only has he been placed on waivers, but if he goes unclaimed the Astros plan to terminate his contract for cause and not pay the remainder of his salary.

 

Houston says Chacon violated a provision in the uniform player contract that states the player may be terminated if he shall “fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition or to obey to the club’s training rules.”

 

I cant see how the astros would have to pay him after reading this. i also dont see how more teams dont get out of more contracts with this clause.

 

I didn't see how the Pirates were gonna have to pay Derrek Bell after Operation Shutdown, but they did.

[laryan]

Not only has he been placed on waivers, but if he goes unclaimed the Astros plan to terminate his contract for cause and not pay the remainder of his salary.

 

Houston says Chacon violated a provision in the uniform player contract that states the player may be terminated if he shall “fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition or to obey to the club’s training rules.”

 

I cant see how the astros would have to pay him after reading this. i also dont see how more teams dont get out of more contracts with this clause.

 

 

on the "first-class physical condition" thing, do you think LA could get out of Andruw Jones' contract if that was a clause in it? dude's fat

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Not only has he been placed on waivers, but if he goes unclaimed the Astros plan to terminate his contract for cause and not pay the remainder of his salary.

 

Houston says Chacon violated a provision in the uniform player contract that states the player may be terminated if he shall “fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition or to obey to the club’s training rules.”

 

I cant see how the astros would have to pay him after reading this. i also dont see how more teams dont get out of more contracts with this clause.

 

 

on the "first-class physical condition" thing, do you think LA could get out of Andruw Jones' contract if that was a clause in it? dude's fat

 

No, because he was fat when they signed him.

[OleMissCub]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3469541

 

The players' association filed a grievance Tuesday over the release of pitcher Shawn Chacon, saying the team's decision to terminate his contract was without just cause.

 

Figures.

 

Usually player contracts have a section stating "[He] may be terminated if he shall fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship."

 

I'd say choke slamming your General Manager falls under that.

[Tarver]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3469541

 

The players' association filed a grievance Tuesday over the release of pitcher Shawn Chacon, saying the team's decision to terminate his contract was without just cause.

 

Figures.

 

Usually player contracts have a section stating "[He] may be terminated if he shall fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship."

 

I'd say choke slamming your General Manager falls under that.

 

Three years on and the Ponson/Orioles grievance has yet to be resolved, so I hope Chacon hasn't already spent that million.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Believe it or not, Jon Heyman believes that Chacon will win his grievance.

 

Link.

 

Strange as it may seem, ex-Astros pitcher Shawn Chacon should win his grievance to be paid the remainder of his contract. Chacon was released after knocking down GM Ed Wade in a clubhouse dispute. But precedent suggests that teams can't get out of contracts after one bad act.

[OleMissCub]

Believe it or not, Jon Heyman believes that Chacon will win his grievance.

 

Link.

 

Strange as it may seem, ex-Astros pitcher Shawn Chacon should win his grievance to be paid the remainder of his contract. Chacon was released after knocking down GM Ed Wade in a clubhouse dispute. But precedent suggests that teams can't get out of contracts after one bad act.

 

Not entirely shocking. Unions are tough.