Cardinals luckiest team in baseball history

[CubsGM]

Today's game is the best example for this statement.

[Balsa]

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Thanks.

 

I should have put this in rants though.

[Derwood]

Today's game is the best example for this statement.

 

didn't they lose today and leave 27 men on base?

[Garage Party]

Gee, I was kind of hoping there was some sort of quantifiable argument for this. I wanted to read it.

[Soul]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

[gflore34]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

[illiniguy]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

They made Jeff Weaver into a stud. They can and will keep it up.

[Soul]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

They made Jeff Weaver into a stud. They can and will keep it up.

 

It's late June. The fact is, they *ARE* keeping it up. And they're getting Pujols back soon, as well as possibly Carpenter/Mulder. There's reason to be hopeful in St. Louis, that's all I'm really saying. Wellemeyer is also apparently getting close to returning, though they need to be careful with his arm since he's never pitched this much.

 

I'm also looking at the NL standings -- the reality is even if the Cards don't win the division they could very well get into the playoffs as the WC because it's looking like the 2nd place NL Central team will be better than the 2nd place team from the East (the West being out of the question barring some miracle). We could be seeing this Cardinals team in the playoffs. A NLCS between the Cubs/Cards would be bombastic on a level I don't think I've ever seen.

[abuck1220]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

They made Jeff Weaver into a stud. They can and will keep it up.

 

just like they did last year.

[Derwood]

they're only 3 games ahead of their Pythag. They aren't lucky

[bukie]

they're only 3 games ahead of their Pythag. They aren't lucky

 

Actually, 3 above Pythag is the second largest difference in the majors, behind the Angels, so...actually, they are lucky. Adjusted Standings

[UMFan83]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

They made Jeff Weaver into a stud. They can and will keep it up.

 

Considering Weaver's performances before and after his time with the Cardinals, Duncan should goto the HOF on that alone.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

They made Jeff Weaver into a stud. They can and will keep it up.

 

Considering Weaver's performances before and after his time with the Cardinals, Duncan should goto the HOF on that alone.

because he had a good run in the playoffs? he was terrible in the regular season with them

[SouthSideRyan]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

They made Jeff Weaver into a stud. They can and will keep it up.

 

Considering Weaver's performances before and after his time with the Cardinals, Duncan should goto the HOF on that alone.

because he had a good run in the playoffs? he was terrible in the regular season with them

 

THANK YOU

 

Ohh wahhh Jeff Weaver had a good 4 start run with the Cardinals, it's not fair.

 

Personally, I think it'll be great if Mark Mulder comes back for the Cards this year. Is this really what we've come to fretting about? The dried up husk of Mark Mulder's career? I think Truffle was the one who mentioned it before, but if I'm looking at the realistic wild card possibilites, I'm definitely pulling for the Cardinals to get it so that we have a not very good team in the playoffs as a potential opponent.

[mjohnson71]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

They made Jeff Weaver into a stud. They can and will keep it up.

 

Considering Weaver's performances before and after his time with the Cardinals, Duncan should goto the HOF on that alone.

 

I'm so glad Scott Boras (Weaver's agent) crashed and burned with that deal.

[Soul]

Well, what was the Cards' preseason rating? I'm sure they are far outpacing that at the moment.

 

To go into Boston and beat the Red Sox 2/3 doesn't really suggest luck though. It suggests a lot of experts were wrong about them. We'll just have to see how it all plays out.

 

I'm glad to have built up a 4.5 game cushion on them, but I'm starting to doubt that they'll fade away more than I doubt they are a good team.

 

The performance of Ludwick, Schumaker and Miles notwithstanding the key point is they're not pitchers, barring any trades the St. Louis staff is going to be their undoing. The bullpen is currently 24 of 30 in ERA, we've seen some of it and its not good, the starters are 9 of 30 in ERA - with the likes of Looper, Lohse, Piniero and Mitchell Boggs (who is 2-0 despite issuing more BB's than K's along with more hits than IP and 3 HR's in 16.1 IP!) - do you really believe this group is going to keep this up?

They made Jeff Weaver into a stud. They can and will keep it up.

 

Considering Weaver's performances before and after his time with the Cardinals, Duncan should goto the HOF on that alone.

because he had a good run in the playoffs? he was terrible in the regular season with them

 

THANK YOU

 

Ohh wahhh Jeff Weaver had a good 4 start run with the Cardinals, it's not fair.

 

Personally, I think it'll be great if Mark Mulder comes back for the Cards this year. Is this really what we've come to fretting about? The dried up husk of Mark Mulder's career? I think Truffle was the one who mentioned it before, but if I'm looking at the realistic wild card possibilites, I'm definitely pulling for the Cardinals to get it so that we have a not very good team in the playoffs as a potential opponent.

 

That would be fine with me as well. I'm definitely fretting about the Cards still playing good without Pujols. They get him back fairly soon. Mulder's been bad in his rehab assignments, we'll see if he has anything left. Wellemeyer is coming back too -- though I fear for the kid's arm and LaRussa doesn't really seem to care, so he might fall off a cliff.

 

If we take this division by 10+ games like abuck seems to think then obviously that would be great. My main point is, it's not wise to underestimate your opponents, whether that be the Cards or the Crew.

[Derwood]

they're only 3 games ahead of their Pythag. They aren't lucky

 

Actually, 3 above Pythag is the second largest difference in the majors, behind the Angels, so...actually, they are lucky. Adjusted Standings

 

relative to the league, sure. but they aren't 2007 D-Backs lucky

[Soul]

they're only 3 games ahead of their Pythag. They aren't lucky

 

Actually, 3 above Pythag is the second largest difference in the majors, behind the Angels, so...actually, they are lucky. Adjusted Standings

 

relative to the league, sure. but they aren't 2007 D-Backs lucky

 

True. Incidentally, it's kind of fun to watch the DBacks finally get back to being the team that they really are. Took nearly a calendar year for it to happen though.

[Derwood]

Lucky=LAAAAAAAA

 

14 games over .500 with only a +1 run differential

[RedVerbs]

None of the other potential wild card teams are better then the Cardinals. None. I know it hurts to see that, but it's the truth. When they are healthy, they have a 1-2 of Wainwright and Carpenter, they have Pujols, Ankiel (not great, but a lot of power), Ludwick (maybe fluky, but he always had a lot of potential for power. Look at his 90% mark on PECOTA), Glaus (Heating up, not great, has power), and probably Rasmus before September.

 

That's better then the Brewers, Mets, Dodgers, Marlins, Braves, etc...

[RedVerbs]

Lucky=LAAAAAAAA

 

14 games over .500 with only a +1 run differential

 

??? The Cardinals run differential is +28

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Lucky=LAAAAAAAA

 

14 games over .500 with only a +1 run differential

 

??? The Cardinals run differential is +28

 

LAAAAAAAA = Los Angeles of Anaheim

[RedVerbs]

Ha. I didn't even notice that. Apologies.

[Soul]

None of the other potential wild card teams are better then the Cardinals. None. I know it hurts to see that, but it's the truth. When they are healthy, they have a 1-2 of Wainwright and Carpenter, they have Pujols, Ankiel (not great, but a lot of power), Ludwick (maybe fluky, but he always had a lot of potential for power. Look at his 90% mark on PECOTA), Glaus (Heating up, not great, has power), and probably Rasmus before September.

 

That's better then the Brewers, Mets, Dodgers, Marlins, Braves, etc...

 

I still think the Crew are a better ballclub, and will prove that by the end of the year.

 

However, I agree that nobody else in the NL has as good a shot at the WC as the 2nd place NL Central team. Certainly the WC won't be coming from the West. And none of those NL East teams impress me, though I guess one of them could make a run. As it stands right now, I expect 2 playoff teams from the NL Central.